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Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-25-2017
I'm totally confused regarding what kind of nozzle to by for my om605. Some says indian Bosch is trash, some says it's OK. Some says Monark is a good alternative, but I've heard quality complaints of that also.
Could someone light my mind what would be the best nozzle?
om605 engine
mechanical pump with 7,5 elements 85-90 ccm adjusted quantity
OM606 turbo
135 bars or 150bars opening pressure?
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - Greazzer - 01-25-2017
Bosch are no longer made in Germany. If you can find NOS, then get them. They are Ebay Gold right now. They used to be made in France then India. You will probably be hitting 20% fail rate out of the tube. Plus, it appears Bosch is made in China which have even higher fail rates plus all the forgeries out there. BEWARE of the $5 or $10 Bosch nozzle. That's made in China junk. You can buy Chinese made nozzles for under a $1.00 so there's that.
Monark is the only German made nozzle left. They merged with DES a few years ago.
Bosio is made in Italy.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 12:38 PM)Greazzer Bosch are no longer made in Germany. If you can find NOS, then get them. They are Ebay Gold right now. They used to be made in France then India. You will probably be hitting 20% fail rate out of the tube. Plus, it appears Bosch is made in China which have even higher fail rates plus all the forgeries out there. BEWARE of the $5 or $10 Bosch nozzle. That's made in China junk. You can buy Chinese made nozzles for under a $1.00 so there's that.
Monark is the only German made nozzle left. They merged with DES a few years ago.
Bosio is made in Italy.
I wouldn't try then Bosch.
Bosio vs. Monark? Pro-contras?
I can buy Monark here at shops around $17 a piece (DN 0 SD 310)
The same can be regarding this one like in case of Bosch, or it can be a good price for this? On ebay the price of this almost double around $27.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - erx - 01-25-2017
My local diesel workshop recommended DTP nozzles http://www.dtp-motorteile.de/ I use them and they seem to work fine.
They also said that Bosch is not worth the price but now Bosch seems to be cheaper than few years ago.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - Greazzer - 01-25-2017
You won't/can't go wrong with Monark. German made - German quality.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - Greazzer - 01-25-2017
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RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 01:16 PM)Greazzer You won't/can't go wrong with Monark. German made - German quality.
I think I will give them a try. Must be much better then the old ones that are actually in the engine.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - mrfajita - 01-25-2017
I put Monarks in my OM617, and waiting on a set to arrive for my 603. They work great
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - firen456 - 01-26-2017
I got my latest injectors set up with Henzo nozzles. They are from www.dieselsend.de. I can only recommend the work this shop does.
Setting up 6 injectors with return line and new washers was only 186€. And the injecctors are running great.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-26-2017
"Trial of the pudding is the eating", so I've ordered the Monarks here in HU. We will see how it looks.
Any advices for visible check about the quality of the parts?
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - barrote - 01-26-2017
Why do u want to swap those injector tips?
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - Tobulus - 01-26-2017
I also recommend Henzo Nozzles. I set up about 40 of them over the years and not a single one failed on WVO.
The best ones you can get still are the Bosch Nozzles. Spray pattern and durability are better than at the other nozzles from what I have seen.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-27-2017
(01-26-2017, 02:09 PM)barrote Why do u want to swap those injector tips?
I will make a video of my observation and show you.
As far as I've heard everyone said it wil be better with new nozzles.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-27-2017
(01-26-2017, 05:21 PM)Tobulus I also recommend Henzo Nozzles. I set up about 40 of them over the years and not a single one failed on WVO.
The best ones you can get still are the Bosch Nozzles. Spray pattern and durability are better than at the other nozzles from what I have seen.
Too much risk with the bosch ones, if they are not the good quality (indian) Boschs.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - barrote - 01-27-2017
Ok i see, but be aware that as long as the spray patern is good and they do not leak, they will behave as new tips. After cleaning and tunning ofcourse. This is true for IDI injectors.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 01-27-2017
(01-27-2017, 07:50 AM)barrote Ok i see, but be aware that as long as the spray patern is good and they do not leak, they will behave as new tips. After cleaning and tunning ofcourse. This is true for IDI injectors.
I don't know the history of my car, so I'm not pretty sure that the spraying and leaking (not leaking) are OK. I would try new ones and adjust them not the old ones.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - barrote - 01-27-2017
Ok. Its fine for me. Its your money.
I was just suggesting ....
As someone said, bosch made in france.
RE: Bosch? Bosio? Monark? - addi.bigg - 02-03-2017
Just received the Monarks. Will tell you what the mechanic say about them.