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New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-17-2017
Aim: To make an om606 capable of hard launches/ fast-road action in a Land Rover 110 (~2 tonne 4x4) application.
Just putting a parts list together in my head and so far have:
- HX40 Super turbo
- 8mm 603 pump from Dieselmeken
- KKD exhaust manifold
I think 400hp would be amazing in a rickety old Land Rover, but a bit worried that there'd be too much lag using an HX40. Also what's the best manifold to go with? KKD's looks good. Looking for simple bolt ons, higher quality the better!
I've been waiting for ages to join this forum and thanks so much for the resources available here!
Peace
Fred
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Sultzi - 06-18-2017
Hi, nice to have you here.
PTRacing would be my choice, I have his manifold and atypicalguy also has (both are complex compound style manifolds). Reasonably priced. He also is from finland like kkd.
Here you can find Pyry: https://www.facebook.com/pyry.takkunen.1?fref=ts and say greetings from here
And some stuff he has done: https://www.facebook.com/pyry.takkunen.1/media_set?set=a.685220791557172.1073741827.100002077714736&type=3
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Mallinman - 06-18-2017
It's not goanna be a huge amount of use off-road with only the hx40 on. You could do with compounding it to get the best of both worlds. Have a look at gazfabricarions. They've got a 606 in a disco. Might give us some ideas. There's has a supercharger on it.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-18-2017
Thanks for the replies guys, was hoping to avoid a compound setup to keep it simple but I love the idea of them. Thanks Sultzi will see if you have a build thread where I can have a look at the manifold. Is there a typical compound setup/parts list that people use? Most I've seen are pretty complex.
Thanks
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-18-2017
Just seen a vid of a G-Wagen (JSJFIN on the forum) with compound turbos and the torque/ acceleration off the line was decent and what I'm looking to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7pc23S032w&app=desktop
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-18-2017
Mallinman whats an om605 like in your L200? Absolutely love the 5 cylinder sound and would fit under the bonnet of a 110 more easily, just thought om606 was the way to go.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Sultzi - 06-18-2017
606110, here is my build thread where is pics of the manifold too
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/showthread.php?tid=7046
and also atypicalguy has put some pics in here
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/showthread.php?tid=1694&pid=83225#pid83225
I have been driving with this setup now around 17500km without any supports for the turbos (just mounted the manifold to the head), gives you some clue for the quality what pyry can do.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-18-2017
Thank you Sultzi, have just read through your build thread and your whole setup is spectacular!
Would love a compound turbo setup but the additional expense with twin turbos as well as the added complication with fabrication is putting me off.
What would be the best single-turbo setup for low-down torque and response, I'm guessing an HX40 would lag like mad in an off road situation as Mallinman's already pointed out.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - barrote - 06-18-2017
Sorry to interrupt but i have something to share and also something to learn....
I 've seen 606 hx35 twin scroll #12 housing in road car, it does lag, in my opinion not suited for off road vehicle.
Hx 35 and 40 share same core is correct? If not wich are the main diff?
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-18-2017
Now looking at either HX30 or Borg Warner S200.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Mallinman - 06-19-2017
605 is great. It goes really well. I would have liked the 606 but it meant too much cutting at the front and I wanted it to stay standard looking. You can't tell its in. If I can find a few more inches then il fit it in. Story of my life really.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - mike89011 - 06-19-2017
You were asking about exhaust manifolds-- I got mine from DieselPumpUk, and was appreciative of a nice job. Being in the UK, that could also save you a bit of coin.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-20-2017
Thanks Mike, have been looking at DPUK but all their prices are ex. VAT, which means pretty expensive. £800 with VAT @20% is £960! Was thinking KKD's or similar would be cheaper, ideally buying from someone on the forum here.
Does anyone know of a turbo which'll make 40 pounds of boost, and spool fast enough to be usable in an offroad vehicle? Would rather steer clear of a compound setup for simplicity.
Thanks for the info btw
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - awsrock - 06-20-2017
Right now I have an S200G which had a 54mm compressor...so similar to HX35. I would not recommed this for offroad torque! But, I had an HX30 before and that thing made NO power above 3000 rpm on 90cc of fuel. I have a w126 which is heavy and the off boost torque is still pretty good, but I don't hit full boost til 3000. If I had more fuel or better rear axle ratio it might be a whole different game.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Simpler=Better - 06-20-2017
If you're not worried about fuel consumption a supercharger sounds perfect
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-20-2017
Great info thank you, supercharger sounds good but more complicated.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - awsrock - 06-20-2017
So, I think I misunderstood you and was talking about 40 lbs min of air, not 40 psi. If that's the case, scratch all of those Mitsu turbos.
S200, yes.
30-35 psi should be more than enough for 400hp, especially with 8mm elements
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-20-2017
Thanks for the info, planning this is actually pretty fun! Will most likely be keeping it simple with a tubular manifold, single turbo and dieselmeken 8mm. Am I right in thinking the Borg Warner would be the most modern turbo out of similar Holset and Garrett units? Also debating manual or auto transmission.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Simpler=Better - 06-21-2017
Manual is more fun, and I like it more because you can control your wheelspin in snow/mud/sand easier than an autmoatic.
But autos launch much nicer when you hold the brakes and spool up the torque converter. And they're easier to lug over rocks, etc. than slipping a clutch.
It's your call, really.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-22-2017
It seems like a lot of the expense will come by trying to fit a 'box that'll take the power and mate to a Land Rover LT230 transfer box. Aware custom flywheel and clutch needs to be sourced.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - ross - 06-22-2017
What are you running in the way of diffs/halfshafts/props? An auto is going to me much softer on all of them than a manual.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-22-2017
Do you think so? Looking at a 722.6 if it'd fit in the LR chassis, option of Ole's standalone controller later down the line too which would be epic. Thinking of using Ashcroft ATB's front, rear and centre, I have V8 24 spline halfshafts which may last. Not sure about props but need to look into it if running a divorced LT230.
Thanks for looking!
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Nick S - 06-22-2017
Give Neil at Rakeway Motorsport a call, I just bought an adaptor housing and shaft that lets you mate the MB ML722.6 to an LT230 transfer. Mine is going into a Volvo 6x6 and this avoids having to remote mount the transfer. I post some pics of the housing next week
Nick
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - scrubs - 06-23-2017
Easy Button
Gaz-fab.com
He's gotten everything ;--)
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-23-2017
Nick S, never thought of Rakeway, just had a look and I'll drop them an email. Would love to see some pics!!
scrubs I think Gaz-fab make adaptors for the ZF auto box or R380 manual, neither of which would last long behind a decent-power engine. Have considered them though so thanks.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Nick S - 06-23-2017
(06-23-2017, 03:06 AM)606110 Nick S, never thought of Rakeway, just had a look and I'll drop them an email. Would love to see some pics!!
scrubs I think Gaz-fab make adaptors for the ZF auto box or R380 manual, neither of which would last long behind a decent-power engine. Have considered them though so thanks.
I'll send a pic on Sunday. Adaptor is brand new, not on their website yet
Cheers
Nick
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Mallinman - 06-23-2017
For custom flywheel and clutch use Cgmotorsports.
http://www.clutch-specialists.co.uk
There who I used for my custom flywheel twin clutch setup. Really helpful. The bloke must have been out about 5 times doing trial fits and runs. And he gave me a price at the beginning and never charged more. Even tho he made extra bits like extended spigot housing and things. Couldn't rate them enough.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-23-2017
Thanks mate, trying to put as much info as I can together at the moment. An auto seems less work and the stronger option although I have no idea abut the electrical side of it and other disadvantages. Really good to know there's people who can help the clutch setup. Did you use a dual mass flywheel?
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - matfield - 06-24-2017
Having gone down the divorced LT230 route, I'd go with Rakeway's ML Auto adapter, and mount it directly. What year is your donor 110?
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Mallinman - 06-24-2017
No bud. Single mass. Twin clutch plate setup.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-24-2017
Thanks for the info guys, no donor vehicle yet just trying to come up with a decent plan, parts list etc.
Am quite tempted now to go with Dieselpumpuk for the mechanical pump/manifold/turbo setup, and go with the 722.6 auto box, fitting Ole's standalone controller at a later date. Have been told a few times how juddery a manual setup can be. Paddle shift on an old 110 would be all kinds of perverse as well, which appeals haha.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Nick S - 06-25-2017
Tried to post a picture of the ML to LT230 adaptor but can't get the picture to attach for some reason
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-25-2017
Hi mate no worries can try emailing me (fredo111@hotmail.co.uk) if you like but no pressure! How much was it too if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks in advance.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Nick S - 06-25-2017
Done, emaild pics to you, or if you want have a look on LR4X4 special vehicle builds. Also if someone could give me a hint on how to post jpegs on here I'll put them up
Nick
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - barrote - 06-26-2017
Is not that dificult...
Shring the pic to 500mb. Then add the file usind the menu "reply" instead of the fast reply mode.
Then choose the pic. And insert in text or as atacment.
Then use "preview post" feature , the picture apper as a code name in brackets. After that is just moving it where u want in the text.
Some pictures exibit error . Dont know asweat to that.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 06-26-2017
Conversion plate looks amazing mate! I've seen Turbobandit say the 722.634 is the strongest transmission available with an inline bellhousing. Also seen a .626 online and just wondering what's best for a heavy vehicle with ~350-400hp.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Hario' - 06-29-2017
upload them to photobucket and share via that like I do
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Nick S - 06-29-2017
(06-26-2017, 12:12 AM)barrote Is not that dificult...
Shring the pic to 500mb. Then add the file usind the menu "reply" instead of the fast reply mode.
Then choose the pic. And insert in text or as atacment.
Then use "preview post" feature , the picture apper as a code name in brackets. After that is just moving it where u want in the text.
Some pictures exibit error . Dont know asweat to that.
Thanks barrote, tried numerous ways, including what you suggest but seems like this site does not want to let me attach an evil jpeg file no matter what I do. If someone wants the pics I'm happy to PM them (assuming STD lets me!!) or alternatively have a look on LR4X4 Modified Vehicles section
Nick
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 07-03-2017
I'm assuming everyone here would pick an om606 over the 605 for this application, only I might buy a nice condition 605 which is available.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Mallinman - 07-03-2017
All up to u. If u can fit the 606 in without chopping the crap out of the front then I'd put it in. U don't have to make a 6 cylinder work as hard as a 5 for the same power.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 07-03-2017
Yeah true, guess it's worth doing it properly.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - Hario' - 07-10-2017
(07-03-2017, 05:20 AM)606110 I'm assuming everyone here would pick an om606 over the 605 for this application, only I might buy a nice condition 605 which is available.
Either / or. You get about 5" more play room with a 605 for sure. With a seanyt ECU you'd get 200ish from 605 / 225ish from 606, cut down the stock loom as per his sticky thread and you'd be golden.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - 606110 - 07-14-2017
Thanks Hario, thinking the six cylinders will spin up an HX40 better than 5. Looking at a 10cm exhaust-housing HX35 at the moment which might take some lag out.
RE: New with interesting Land Rover 110 Project - be gentle! - gary andrews - 07-20-2017
hi 606110 i own gaz-fab and you might be interested to know i am bringing an adaptor kit for a th400 to 606 which might suit you, you can use the lt230 with a adaptor kit to the th400