New Project - Skunkwerks EM9D
New Project - Skunkwerks EM9D
Yes please more videos I'm still drooling form the last one!!! Cant wait till you have some 5sps videos as well!!!!
Did some more tuning, I advanced the timing on the pump and it idles smoother now and the smoke at idle is significantly less - I may advance it bit more and see what happens.
I also put in a switch the turn the ALDA off for cruisng around town, there is still plenty of fuel for fun. When I flip the switch, it is an air type switch, it allows the ALDA to operate and give full fuel or what it is limited to by the stop adjsutment.
I have given her more fuel, probably 60% capacity and it runs like a striped ape.
Tomorrow I will be going to Irwindale Speedway and make a couple of 1/8th mile runs - I don't expect anything crazy as the trans is still flaring and slips a bit. I just want to see what it will do and get a reaction from the non Mercedes crowd.
And yes we will shoot some videos.
Shit. . If I wasn't busy, I be there to watch!
Rudolf REPORT!
(09-03-2010, 10:26 AM)Captain America Rudolf REPORT!Hold your horses Grass Hoppa...
(09-03-2010, 10:26 AM)Captain America Rudolf REPORT!Hold your horses Grass Hoppa...
bwa haha! bet you that came as a surprise to the acura. Beat by a big sedan twice his size like that not even running at full capacity! That video had me giggling like a little kid
Very nice, and pretty good 60' also. When I was testing the pump, it took me some time to get the launch down, and I found
that shifting manually helped a great deal thereafter.
Try those transmission control settings we talked about for next time, once you have things sorted out.
At the end of the 1/8 mi you were travelling about 14.5 mph faster than the intergra = a lot more hp
(09-03-2010, 11:26 AM)dropnosky bwa haha! bet you that came as a surprise to the acura. Beat by a big sedan twice his size like that not even running at full capacity!
(09-03-2010, 11:26 AM)dropnosky bwa haha! bet you that came as a surprise to the acura. Beat by a big sedan twice his size like that not even running at full capacity!
Great job for the first run and still dialing it in!
Love the video shot. Especially the launch. You got great weight transfer there!
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I love the fact that there is so little smoke!!! One amazing project.
(09-03-2010, 07:08 PM)MJF So, when it is time to add some fuel and air in to engine?
(09-03-2010, 07:08 PM)MJF So, when it is time to add some fuel and air in to engine?
So, based on the time stamp on the slip, we are seeing the future?
That's freaking sweet! I bet the Honda kid is getting it from his friends!
(09-03-2010, 08:11 PM)E300TSC So, based on the time stamp on the slip, we are seeing the future?
(09-03-2010, 08:11 PM)E300TSC So, based on the time stamp on the slip, we are seeing the future?
I'm new to all of this...
A few points I want to know about...
1 - where's the super turbos? (I don't mean in this thread).
2 - Could you take a few pix of the engine WITH everything labeled? arrows etc.
3 - I see you did get it to run with 0psi boost at idle as you wanted... SO... My boss (a big turbo dealer - who is LESS than a purist you could say - he hates stuff like this)... my boss said that if you took off a turbo from a turbo engine it would damage the pistons...................... In effect are you risking your pistons like you would with a engine missing it's turbo? He called it cleaning I think - I didn't understand.
4 - What are you using for high beams.
5 - What is your max psi, do you have a pyro... and whats the temp of your intake at the engine?
I am going to bring my twincharged car and we will meet iN Irwindale. I just need to dyno it and it will be ready
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride my boss said that if you took off a turbo from a turbo engine it would damage the pistons
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride my boss said that if you took off a turbo from a turbo engine it would damage the pistons
Thanks for the reply but it doesn't help me much. I was looking for quite a bit more info. Also .. Anyone on here seen a thread on using a turbo/e-turbo combo?
(09-03-2010, 10:21 PM)Rudolf_Diesel(09-03-2010, 08:11 PM)E300TSC So, based on the time stamp on the slip, we are seeing the future?
4/SEP/2010
I just noticed that sometimes it takes another set of eyes to notice the little things!
(09-03-2010, 10:21 PM)Rudolf_Diesel(09-03-2010, 08:11 PM)E300TSC So, based on the time stamp on the slip, we are seeing the future?
4/SEP/2010
I just noticed that sometimes it takes another set of eyes to notice the little things!
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride I'm new to all of this...
A few points I want to know about...
1 - where's the super turbos? (I don't mean in this thread).
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 2 - Could you take a few pix of the engine WITH everything labeled? arrows etc.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 3 - I see you did get it to run with 0psi boost at idle as you wanted... SO... My boss (a big turbo dealer - who is LESS than a purist you could say - he hates stuff like this)... my boss said that if you took off a turbo from a turbo engine it would damage the pistons...................... In effect are you risking your pistons like you would with a engine missing it's turbo? He called it cleaning I think - I didn't understand.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 4 - What are you using for high beams.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 5 - What is your max psi, do you have a pyro... and whats the temp of your intake at the engine?
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride I'm new to all of this...
A few points I want to know about...
1 - where's the super turbos? (I don't mean in this thread).
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 2 - Could you take a few pix of the engine WITH everything labeled? arrows etc.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 3 - I see you did get it to run with 0psi boost at idle as you wanted... SO... My boss (a big turbo dealer - who is LESS than a purist you could say - he hates stuff like this)... my boss said that if you took off a turbo from a turbo engine it would damage the pistons...................... In effect are you risking your pistons like you would with a engine missing it's turbo? He called it cleaning I think - I didn't understand.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 4 - What are you using for high beams.
(09-03-2010, 10:42 PM)BriZZell Dride 5 - What is your max psi, do you have a pyro... and whats the temp of your intake at the engine?
(09-04-2010, 06:10 PM)Rudolf_Diesel Not everyone has the intention of twin charging, but maybe theere will be some more interest in this.
(09-04-2010, 06:10 PM)Rudolf_Diesel What would you like to know? everything is pretty self explanatory if you read the thread.I'm not sure I've fig. my boss out yet... Like putting a turbo on a non turboed engine - "Cant do it. How could you" He's a ero mech.
I did run a zero boost, easy to do, but now I have 2 psi at idle and 10 psi at 1500.
What does your boss hate? people that build cars to squeeze out power?
If you remove the turbo and run the vehicle N/A - it should essentially last forever since it would never see boost and be built for punishment that it will never see.
(09-04-2010, 06:10 PM)Rudolf_Diesel Not everyone has the intention of twin charging, but maybe theere will be some more interest in this.
(09-04-2010, 06:10 PM)Rudolf_Diesel What would you like to know? everything is pretty self explanatory if you read the thread.I'm not sure I've fig. my boss out yet... Like putting a turbo on a non turboed engine - "Cant do it. How could you" He's a ero mech.
I did run a zero boost, easy to do, but now I have 2 psi at idle and 10 psi at 1500.
What does your boss hate? people that build cars to squeeze out power?
If you remove the turbo and run the vehicle N/A - it should essentially last forever since it would never see boost and be built for punishment that it will never see.
(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride Now Ive found http://www.vandynesuperturbo.com/technology.html its a new thing and has very little data.There wouldn't be much benefit to that system, centrifugal superchargers are the worst option for any vehicle. They have none of the benefits of a positive displacement supercharger or turbocharger and all the detriments of both.
(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride Now Ive found http://www.vandynesuperturbo.com/technology.html its a new thing and has very little data.There wouldn't be much benefit to that system, centrifugal superchargers are the worst option for any vehicle. They have none of the benefits of a positive displacement supercharger or turbocharger and all the detriments of both.
Superturbo came from Finland. They generally considered superturbo diesel cars producing over 100hp/liter.
We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
It is going to be a bit hard as most people here use the 3 liter om 617, so to be considered a superturbo it needs to produce over 300 hp.
(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
(09-05-2010, 03:47 AM)ForcedInduction(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
Two actually.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/new-...t-858.html
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/1998...-1179.html
(09-05-2010, 03:47 AM)ForcedInduction(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
Two actually.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/new-...t-858.html
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/1998...-1179.html
(09-05-2010, 03:55 AM)Deni Are these projects finished and already achieved the 100+ hp/liter?
(09-05-2010, 03:55 AM)Deni Are these projects finished and already achieved the 100+ hp/liter?
(09-05-2010, 04:00 AM)ForcedInduction(09-05-2010, 03:55 AM)Deni Are these projects finished and already achieved the 100+ hp/liter?
Then three by your definition of "superturbo".
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/dyno...l#pid16195
(09-05-2010, 04:00 AM)ForcedInduction(09-05-2010, 03:55 AM)Deni Are these projects finished and already achieved the 100+ hp/liter?
Then three by your definition of "superturbo".
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/dyno...l#pid16195
(09-05-2010, 04:18 AM)Deni I couldn't find there any merc doing over 100hp/liter.
(09-05-2010, 04:18 AM)Deni I couldn't find there any merc doing over 100hp/liter.
(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride I'm not sure I've fig. my boss out yet... Like putting a turbo on a non turboed engine - "Cant do it. How could you" He's a ero mech.
(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni Superturbo came from Finland. They generally considered superturbo diesel cars producing over 100hp/liter.
We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
It is going to be a bit hard as most people here use the 3 liter om 617, so to be considered a superturbo it needs to produce over 300 hp.
(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride I'm not sure I've fig. my boss out yet... Like putting a turbo on a non turboed engine - "Cant do it. How could you" He's a ero mech.
(09-05-2010, 03:01 AM)Deni Superturbo came from Finland. They generally considered superturbo diesel cars producing over 100hp/liter.
We have yet to see a supertubo in this forum (not from finland ).
It is going to be a bit hard as most people here use the 3 liter om 617, so to be considered a superturbo it needs to produce over 300 hp.
It is not my definition.
As I said IIRC the term superturbo was used by the Finns for diesel cars (generally they use old ones) which could get 100+ hp/liter. I think it is a nice goal.
If you take an om616, 2.4 liter ~68ish hp, then modify it to almost twice its output, to ~130 hp, it would be "super". But imagine having an om616 modified to ~240hp. It wouldn't be "super", it would be "suoerturbo" .
Anyways, this doesn't make other projects such as this one, less important. The workmanship here is awesome, and it's a pleasure to look at these pics.
Ive been under the impression that a superturbodiesel, is a diesel that is both supercharged and turbocharged..hence the name??
What should the name "superturbo" have to do with horsepower per liter? I think thats a load of crap.
Whatever the definition is I am not really sure; I may or may not be there because I have not dynoed the car yet. I did not make the car to meet or exceed anyone's definition. I did to see if I could make a similar system to what the green wagon had, but more practical and a daily driver. I will still have the creature comforts of an S-class and be able to smoke any other 617 on the road.
I appreciate the compliments and don't get me wrong, all opinions have some merit, some more than others - that being said, I am very stubborn and will eventually build it my way.
In a few weeks I plan on taking it to the dyno, I am just working out the bugs to see what is the best setup for street and strip witout too many changes. I am trying to make the mode change as easy as possible with the activation of a few switches or the turn of a dial.
The car will most likely be more than the output of Dervtruning's dyno runs as he only had a turbo. I want to keep the power level down so that the engine stays together - it is no fun having a useless piece of iron sitting in the driveway.
(09-05-2010, 02:53 AM)ForcedInduction(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride Now Ive found http://www.vandynesuperturbo.com/technology.html its a new thing and has very little data.There wouldn't be much benefit to that system, centrifugal superchargers are the worst option for any vehicle. They have none of the benefits of a positive displacement supercharger or turbocharger and all the detriments of both.
Most of the claims and math that company presents doesn't add up in the real world.
(09-05-2010, 02:53 AM)ForcedInduction(09-04-2010, 10:49 PM)BriZZell Dride Now Ive found http://www.vandynesuperturbo.com/technology.html its a new thing and has very little data.There wouldn't be much benefit to that system, centrifugal superchargers are the worst option for any vehicle. They have none of the benefits of a positive displacement supercharger or turbocharger and all the detriments of both.
Most of the claims and math that company presents doesn't add up in the real world.
Well, I didn't mean to say there is no Santa Claus .
I read the Super Turbo term back in 2005-2006 from Mercedesshop Forum (?now Peach Parts?) and I thought it was commonly thought as such.
anyway we should not count each single hp and compare it to smoking youtube monsters that were built starting years ago...
Also I think we don't need a definition of Superturbo.
What counts is the fact that Rudolf's SD (617a engine) has the potential for high performance in combination with driveability in an unusual set up.
The project is still not finished and will have a different target compared to the youtube monsters.
Tom
Wheel HP, to me, has always been a hp:pound and I think that is a great way to judge.
Ah driveability just what has Mr Diesel planned for the REST of the car? Airbags maybe? Re-tract-able wheelie bar maybe?
(09-06-2010, 07:57 AM)BriZZell Dride Wheel HP, to me, has always been a hp:pound and I think that is a great way to judge.
Ah driveability just what has Mr Diesel planned for the REST of the car? Airbags maybe? Re-tract-able wheelie bar maybe?
(09-06-2010, 07:57 AM)BriZZell Dride Wheel HP, to me, has always been a hp:pound and I think that is a great way to judge.
Ah driveability just what has Mr Diesel planned for the REST of the car? Airbags maybe? Re-tract-able wheelie bar maybe?
Is it just me or is everyone reading the timeslip wrong? The acura beat him by.009 seconds.
(09-08-2010, 05:26 PM)meareweird The acura beat him by.009 seconds.
(09-08-2010, 05:26 PM)meareweird The acura beat him by.009 seconds.
(09-08-2010, 05:26 PM)meareweird Is it just me or is everyone reading the timeslip wrong? The acura beat him by.009 seconds.
(09-08-2010, 05:26 PM)meareweird Is it just me or is everyone reading the timeslip wrong? The acura beat him by.009 seconds.
I looked at the final MPH. Time is great, speed is where its at. 1/4 mile and the SD would have smoke him. The kid in the bg of the video is priceless. Most people are happy with a 10sec 0-60 (I was ecstatic), you laid down another 10mph on top.
(09-08-2010, 08:40 PM)winmutt I looked at the final MPH. Time is great, speed is where its at. 1/4 mile and the SD would have smoke him. The kid in the bg of the video is priceless. Most people are happy with a 10sec 0-60 (I was ecstatic), you laid down another 10mph on top.
(09-08-2010, 08:40 PM)winmutt I looked at the final MPH. Time is great, speed is where its at. 1/4 mile and the SD would have smoke him. The kid in the bg of the video is priceless. Most people are happy with a 10sec 0-60 (I was ecstatic), you laid down another 10mph on top.