Starter
Starter
09-16-2010, 01:59 PM
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Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
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Captain America
09-16-2010, 01:59 PM #1Can someone tell me if the starter is the same between a '84 Cali car and a '82 Fed car?
Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-16-2010, 02:43 PM
#2
(09-16-2010, 01:59 PM)Captain America Can someone tell me if the starter is the same between a '84 Cali car and a '82 Fed car?
Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
I bet you the difference is maybe just a production update along the line with the starter manufacturer. The only think I can imagine making them different would be a solenoid interference problem with the Cali emissions system.
Do you happen to have any pics of the starters? I am trying to find a starter with a solenoid down on the side, or bottom, and the 6:00 position has promise if I can find one.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(09-16-2010, 01:59 PM)Captain America Can someone tell me if the starter is the same between a '84 Cali car and a '82 Fed car?
Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
I bet you the difference is maybe just a production update along the line with the starter manufacturer. The only think I can imagine making them different would be a solenoid interference problem with the Cali emissions system.
Do you happen to have any pics of the starters? I am trying to find a starter with a solenoid down on the side, or bottom, and the 6:00 position has promise if I can find one.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
09-16-2010, 03:10 PM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-16-2010, 03:10 PM #3Well I have both cars and both starters but I would like to do is pull the starter from the 84, rebuild it, and slap it on my 82 with no downtime on the 82. I think using the 84 starter with the downward pointing solenoid would be better anyway in the fact it has a heat shield on top of it and the solenoid would be away from the turbo/exhaust... Sorry no pics...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-16-2010, 03:53 PM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-16-2010, 03:53 PM #5Cool. So it's just rotated 180 degrees or so?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-16-2010, 04:00 PM
#6
(09-16-2010, 01:59 PM)Captain America ...
Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
As Forced stated there is no difference in starters (Bosch part number SR67X) except for the '85 Cali. What your describing with the 6:00 positioned solenoid is an '85 Cali starter (Bosch part number SR70X) made so it will clear the Trap Oxidizer on the exhaust. So the question, is does the car have a Trap Ox?
You can use the Cali starter on your car, but with the possibility the wiring a bit short to reach. Although if the car is indeed an '84, then it would prove to not be a problem.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
09-16-2010, 04:00 PM #6(09-16-2010, 01:59 PM)Captain America ...
Parts numbers seem to show the same on Parts Geek and AutohauzAZ but I know from looking the solenoid on the federal '82 is roughly in the 12:00 position while the solenoid on the '84 Cali car is in the 6:00 position....
As Forced stated there is no difference in starters (Bosch part number SR67X) except for the '85 Cali. What your describing with the 6:00 positioned solenoid is an '85 Cali starter (Bosch part number SR70X) made so it will clear the Trap Oxidizer on the exhaust. So the question, is does the car have a Trap Ox?
You can use the Cali starter on your car, but with the possibility the wiring a bit short to reach. Although if the car is indeed an '84, then it would prove to not be a problem.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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09-16-2010, 04:56 PM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-16-2010, 04:56 PM #7Ooo it's gonna get hard to tell which starter is where in a second. It sounds to me like there is an '85 starter on the '84 (car with the trap ox and 6: 00 positioned solenoid)? The wiring won't be an issue on my '82 federal that's it's going on... I can handle that
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-16-2010, 06:05 PM
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(09-16-2010, 04:56 PM)Captain America O.....It sounds to me like there is an '85 starter on the '84 (car with the trap ox and 6: 00 positioned solenoid)? ....
If I read your post correctly, your saying it has a Trap Ox. Only the '85 Cali engine has a Trap Ox. So... either you have a car that is actually a model year 1985 or you have an '84 with an '85 engine.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
09-16-2010, 06:05 PM #8(09-16-2010, 04:56 PM)Captain America O.....It sounds to me like there is an '85 starter on the '84 (car with the trap ox and 6: 00 positioned solenoid)? ....
If I read your post correctly, your saying it has a Trap Ox. Only the '85 Cali engine has a Trap Ox. So... either you have a car that is actually a model year 1985 or you have an '84 with an '85 engine.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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09-16-2010, 06:14 PM
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(09-16-2010, 06:05 PM)DeliveryValve(09-16-2010, 04:56 PM)Captain America O.....It sounds to me like there is an '85 starter on the '84 (car with the trap ox and 6: 00 positioned solenoid)? ....
If I read your post correctly, your saying it has a Trap Ox. Only the '85 Cali engine has a Trap Ox. So... either you have a car that is actually a model year 1985 or you have an '84 with an '85 engine.
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WTF??? Stan told me this car was an '84 when he gave it to me....
THATS why it was getting confusing!!!!! haha. Yeah the car has a Trap Ox.. Guess the car is a 1985 then huh? or like you said it has an '85 engine...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-16-2010, 06:14 PM #9(09-16-2010, 06:05 PM)DeliveryValve(09-16-2010, 04:56 PM)Captain America O.....It sounds to me like there is an '85 starter on the '84 (car with the trap ox and 6: 00 positioned solenoid)? ....
If I read your post correctly, your saying it has a Trap Ox. Only the '85 Cali engine has a Trap Ox. So... either you have a car that is actually a model year 1985 or you have an '84 with an '85 engine.
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WTF??? Stan told me this car was an '84 when he gave it to me....
THATS why it was getting confusing!!!!! haha. Yeah the car has a Trap Ox.. Guess the car is a 1985 then huh? or like you said it has an '85 engine...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-16-2010, 06:53 PM
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(09-16-2010, 06:14 PM)Captain America WTF??? Stan told me this car was an '84 when he gave it to me....
THATS why it was getting confusing!!!!! haha. Yeah the car has a Trap Ox.. Guess the car is a 1985 then huh? or like you said it has an '85 engine...
There's are few easy items you can look at to see what year the car is. If it is a 1985, it would have an emissions tag that states it's for 1985 on the door jam, it would have a blue saucer vacuum thing near the fuse box (driver's side) under the hood, it would have a speedometer with a part number 123 542 27 57 on the face, and it would have a differential ratio of 2.88 (maybe not that easy to check). If it is an '84, it would have an emissions tag that states it's for 1984 on the door jam, it would not have the blue saucer vacuum thing, speedometer part number on the face is 123 542 28 57 and would have a 3.07 ratio differential.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
09-16-2010, 06:53 PM #10(09-16-2010, 06:14 PM)Captain America WTF??? Stan told me this car was an '84 when he gave it to me....
THATS why it was getting confusing!!!!! haha. Yeah the car has a Trap Ox.. Guess the car is a 1985 then huh? or like you said it has an '85 engine...
There's are few easy items you can look at to see what year the car is. If it is a 1985, it would have an emissions tag that states it's for 1985 on the door jam, it would have a blue saucer vacuum thing near the fuse box (driver's side) under the hood, it would have a speedometer with a part number 123 542 27 57 on the face, and it would have a differential ratio of 2.88 (maybe not that easy to check). If it is an '84, it would have an emissions tag that states it's for 1984 on the door jam, it would not have the blue saucer vacuum thing, speedometer part number on the face is 123 542 28 57 and would have a 3.07 ratio differential.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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09-16-2010, 10:35 PM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
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Captain America
09-16-2010, 10:35 PM #11Yeah, I can check the door, I just never thought it to be different than what he said so I never looked. Its got the blue saucer, I've seen that...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-17-2010, 01:10 AM
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This post was last modified: 09-17-2010, 01:12 AM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-17-2010, 01:10 AM #13^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ohhhh baby.. Jesus........
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-17-2010, 11:01 AM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-17-2010, 11:01 AM #14So I guess my new question is: Will the '85 starter fit a pre '85 car?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
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09-17-2010, 12:11 PM
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(09-17-2010, 11:01 AM)Captain America So I guess my new question is: Will the '85 starter fit a pre '85 car?
Yes it will bolt in. But may have to do some wire modifications.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
09-17-2010, 12:11 PM #15(09-17-2010, 11:01 AM)Captain America So I guess my new question is: Will the '85 starter fit a pre '85 car?
Yes it will bolt in. But may have to do some wire modifications.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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09-17-2010, 02:22 PM
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-17-2010, 02:22 PM #16Sweet! Thanks guys!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
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