OM606 computer tuning and larger IP elements
OM606 computer tuning and larger IP elements
10-06-2010, 11:38 AM
#1
How does one go about this? Can I buy software to reflash the ECM myself? Or is there a shop that can install larger elements and reflash the ECM as a bolt in set up?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
10-06-2010, 11:38 AM #1I am kicking around the idea of installing larger elements in the IP on my 99 E300TD. I would like to keep the electronic IP control and transmission control.
How does one go about this? Can I buy software to reflash the ECM myself? Or is there a shop that can install larger elements and reflash the ECM as a bolt in set up?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
10-06-2010, 08:41 PM
#2
The 7mm elements alone are worth quite a lot of power without a chip change in the ECU but it remains to be seen whether the ECU will tolerate the increased power without throwing a code of some sort.
BTW, these ECU's still have a removable chip that has to be programmed and physically installed rather than a re-flash.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
I'm in the middle of this project myself. The 7mm elements are a drop-in and any competent shop should be able to install them. Member "Derv Tuning" is also experimenting with this mod here in the states.
The 7mm elements alone are worth quite a lot of power without a chip change in the ECU but it remains to be seen whether the ECU will tolerate the increased power without throwing a code of some sort.
BTW, these ECU's still have a removable chip that has to be programmed and physically installed rather than a re-flash.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
10-07-2010, 09:57 AM
#3
Do you have a source/pricing on the 7mm drop in elements?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
10-07-2010, 09:57 AM #3Great information!
Do you have a source/pricing on the 7mm drop in elements?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
10-07-2010, 06:37 PM
#4
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
Contact member "tomnik". He provided mine.
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
joediesel
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10-11-2010, 07:26 PM
#5
What is the verdict on swapping in 7mm or 7.5mm elements? Did the car go into limp mode?
Also What is the word on the standalone ecu?? If it's complete it would create a huge jump in performance using the electronic pump! As far as I know it sounds like the merc equivalent of EFI Live for the duramax.
Please any information would be greatly appreciated
joediesel
10-11-2010, 07:26 PM #5Any further developments?
What is the verdict on swapping in 7mm or 7.5mm elements? Did the car go into limp mode?
Also What is the word on the standalone ecu?? If it's complete it would create a huge jump in performance using the electronic pump! As far as I know it sounds like the merc equivalent of EFI Live for the duramax.
Please any information would be greatly appreciated
10-14-2010, 12:00 AM
#6
If it does, what is the most likely problem that will occur in the computer with larger elements? It would have to be a conflict between the accel pedal and other engine sensors...but what other sensors? MAF, MAP, and tach? Curious...
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
10-14-2010, 12:00 AM #6Is it correct that the ECU controlls the transmission behavior as well in these cars?
If it does, what is the most likely problem that will occur in the computer with larger elements? It would have to be a conflict between the accel pedal and other engine sensors...but what other sensors? MAF, MAP, and tach? Curious...
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
10-14-2010, 03:45 PM
#8
George3soccer
10-14-2010, 03:45 PM #8Yes that 606 turbo is quite small, with those elements. Hahaha please do keep us updated.
10-14-2010, 03:48 PM
#9
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
With 7mm elements and original ecu, it works, but cant really say at it works fine. It need s a re program and if it done one a dyno it will be good and then we can say at engine works fine.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
10-14-2010, 08:34 PM
#10
(10-14-2010, 03:33 PM)INC ~ 1 week my G300TD running with Tomnik 7.5 elements. Its works fine even with original ecu soft. I give more fuel, and rise boost, but original turbo is too small
Now working on turbo upgrade.
So, the throttle does not seem too sensitive with the larger elements?
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
(10-14-2010, 03:33 PM)INC ~ 1 week my G300TD running with Tomnik 7.5 elements. Its works fine even with original ecu soft. I give more fuel, and rise boost, but original turbo is too small
Now working on turbo upgrade.
So, the throttle does not seem too sensitive with the larger elements?
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
10-15-2010, 02:15 AM
#11
(10-14-2010, 08:34 PM)E300TSC(10-14-2010, 03:33 PM)INC ~ 1 week my G300TD running with Tomnik 7.5 elements. Its works fine even with original ecu soft. I give more fuel, and rise boost, but original turbo is too small
Now working on turbo upgrade.
So, the throttle does not seem too sensitive with the larger elements?
No, with original soft its no visible smoke, and throttle response is OK.
G300TD(OM606.964) & 250GD(OM605.960)Trophy raid
(10-14-2010, 08:34 PM)E300TSC(10-14-2010, 03:33 PM)INC ~ 1 week my G300TD running with Tomnik 7.5 elements. Its works fine even with original ecu soft. I give more fuel, and rise boost, but original turbo is too small
Now working on turbo upgrade.
So, the throttle does not seem too sensitive with the larger elements?
No, with original soft its no visible smoke, and throttle response is OK.
G300TD(OM606.964) & 250GD(OM605.960)Trophy raid
10-15-2010, 06:20 AM
#12
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
Thanks, it's good to know!
1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.
2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
10-15-2010, 06:21 PM
#13
Does it still govern at the same rpm with the stock ecu?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
gen3performance
10-15-2010, 06:21 PM #13That is very good to know!
Does it still govern at the same rpm with the stock ecu?
1981 300SD...Too much propane = bent rods. Junked
1980 240D...Body fell off. Saved drivetrain and junked
1985 300D...No.2 and N2O = 16.35@85mph. Sold
1999 E300TD...3" exhaust with banks muffler, Hx-35, 215hp tune, IP resistor box, bad crankshaft snout
2005 E320 CDI...AMG injectors, EGR removed, mapping
Vids! http://www.youtube.com/user/silverado408
Pics! http://s776.photobucket.com/albums/yy42/...rformance/
12-19-2015, 05:08 PM
#14
How the car behaves with bigger elements and turbo with stock ecu?
Did you do the remap? Where how. Contact i fo to the guy thay dod it for you please.
1999 S210 Edc pump. 7.5mm dieselmeken element.
HX35W turbo, custom map.
Brakes 330mm 4 piston brembo CL500, bolt on fit. Longer brake lines. 3mm spacers.
260km/h
2.1 boost for now.
16 inch steel wheels with 20mm spacers.
Im curious on progress.
How the car behaves with bigger elements and turbo with stock ecu?
Did you do the remap? Where how. Contact i fo to the guy thay dod it for you please.
1999 S210 Edc pump. 7.5mm dieselmeken element.
HX35W turbo, custom map.
Brakes 330mm 4 piston brembo CL500, bolt on fit. Longer brake lines. 3mm spacers.
260km/h
2.1 boost for now.
16 inch steel wheels with 20mm spacers.
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