Need a marinized OM606? Here you go.
Need a marinized OM606? Here you go.
10-15-2010, 09:36 AM
#1
Prices don't seem that bad compared to what you'd spend on most marinized engines.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-15-2010, 09:36 AM #1http://www.drinkwaardwatersport.com/cate...n-182.html
Prices don't seem that bad compared to what you'd spend on most marinized engines.
Cheers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
10-15-2010, 11:09 AM
#2
Just a coating on the motor.
George3soccer
10-15-2010, 11:09 AM #2What would marinized motors differ from regular vehicle motors.
Just a coating on the motor.
10-15-2010, 02:14 PM
#3
(10-15-2010, 11:09 AM)George3soccer What would marinized motors differ from regular vehicle motors.
Just a coating on the motor.
Most of the time, they're built a little stronger and better suited for sustained high RPM use - compared to an OEM automotive engine. They also have completely different (or no...) emissions equipment and software calibrations. They have the benefit of an unlimited supply of cool water - so they can run things a lot harder (and turn the wick way up...) and not worry about cooling.
I have no idea if these engines are any different than a normal automotive application. I just thought it was pretty darn cool to see a marinized OM606 for sale and figured I'd share that with the other Merc dieselheads.
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-15-2010, 02:14 PM #3(10-15-2010, 11:09 AM)George3soccer What would marinized motors differ from regular vehicle motors.
Just a coating on the motor.
Most of the time, they're built a little stronger and better suited for sustained high RPM use - compared to an OEM automotive engine. They also have completely different (or no...) emissions equipment and software calibrations. They have the benefit of an unlimited supply of cool water - so they can run things a lot harder (and turn the wick way up...) and not worry about cooling.
I have no idea if these engines are any different than a normal automotive application. I just thought it was pretty darn cool to see a marinized OM606 for sale and figured I'd share that with the other Merc dieselheads.
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
10-15-2010, 06:26 PM
#5
yankneck696
10-15-2010, 06:26 PM #5All of those engines seem to have heat exchangers (Raw water to cool fresh water/antifreeze), should have bass freeze plugs, indtead of steel, usually have a bit more of a torque cam (gas engines not sure of these), can be reverse rotation, marinized (screened) starter/alternator, many coats of paint, hoses worthy of salt water, water cooled exhaust manifolds & so on.... I'd like to find out if they do reverse rotation internally, or with the transmission, as I have a PennYan with RR & would love to slap a Merc diesel in it without the $2400 ZF reversing 1:1 trans.
10-15-2010, 08:44 PM
#6
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-15-2010, 08:44 PM #6Couldn't you just spin the prop backwards and get a reverse direction prop???
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-16-2010, 04:49 AM
#7
yankneck696
10-16-2010, 04:49 AM #7The boat is a PennYan with a tunneldrive, prop & ruddder in a tunnel. Rotation is gritical due to strut design & rudder placement. It has been done, but with greatly reduced performance.
10-19-2010, 08:33 AM
#8
(10-15-2010, 06:26 PM)yankneck696 I'd like to find out if they do reverse rotation internally, or with the transmission, as I have a PennYan with RR & would love to slap a Merc diesel in it without the $2400 ZF reversing 1:1 trans.
I'd be inclined to think they use a reversing geartrain setup. I've never seen a 'small' diesel setup that way. They spin the really large diesels backwards in some cases...
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-19-2010, 08:33 AM #8(10-15-2010, 06:26 PM)yankneck696 I'd like to find out if they do reverse rotation internally, or with the transmission, as I have a PennYan with RR & would love to slap a Merc diesel in it without the $2400 ZF reversing 1:1 trans.
I'd be inclined to think they use a reversing geartrain setup. I've never seen a 'small' diesel setup that way. They spin the really large diesels backwards in some cases...
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
10-19-2010, 01:15 PM
#9
yankneck696
10-19-2010, 01:15 PM #9I'm just hunting for the ZF 1:1 reversing transmission. When I get one at the right price, I'll start on an engine. Till then, the trusty 318 will perservere....
10-20-2010, 05:59 AM
#10
(10-19-2010, 08:33 AM)HoleshotHolset [quote='yankneck696' pid='19187' dateline='1287185192']
They spin the really large diesels backwards in some cases...
On a boat i worked on a few years ago in Svalbard, we had a 6 cylinder 2000 hp Deutz Engine. Max RPM: 240 RPM frontwards, 200 RPM backwards. That engine we had to turn backwards because we didn't have a gear or pitch on the propeller shaft.
You must have a custom cam shaft that you can move to change timing on the cylinders, you also need a special fuelpump. The camshaft is moved by pneumatic. The engine is also started by 30 Bar (435 psi) Start air.
On very old marine engines that where 1 cylinder and 60 liters they gave it full throttle just befor the piston hits the top position. Then they got a big knock, and the engine started to go backwards. These engines run at very low rpm. from 40-80. They where about 50 hp an 4-5 tons heavy
Most big boats now days have Pitch on the propeller to decide if they want to go backwards or forwards
This post was last modified: 10-20-2010, 06:22 AM by alarm92.
My English might be a bit funky, but i'm from Norway and i kind of sucked in English at school
MB W123 3.0 d turbo project
Audi A4 1.8T 220hk
And a old moped
(10-19-2010, 08:33 AM)HoleshotHolset [quote='yankneck696' pid='19187' dateline='1287185192']
They spin the really large diesels backwards in some cases...
On a boat i worked on a few years ago in Svalbard, we had a 6 cylinder 2000 hp Deutz Engine. Max RPM: 240 RPM frontwards, 200 RPM backwards. That engine we had to turn backwards because we didn't have a gear or pitch on the propeller shaft.
You must have a custom cam shaft that you can move to change timing on the cylinders, you also need a special fuelpump. The camshaft is moved by pneumatic. The engine is also started by 30 Bar (435 psi) Start air.
On very old marine engines that where 1 cylinder and 60 liters they gave it full throttle just befor the piston hits the top position. Then they got a big knock, and the engine started to go backwards. These engines run at very low rpm. from 40-80. They where about 50 hp an 4-5 tons heavy
Most big boats now days have Pitch on the propeller to decide if they want to go backwards or forwards
My English might be a bit funky, but i'm from Norway and i kind of sucked in English at school
MB W123 3.0 d turbo project
Audi A4 1.8T 220hk
And a old moped
10-20-2010, 07:05 AM
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10-20-2010, 07:05 AM
#11
On Detroit engines its just a matter of switching the idler gear sides from driving the cam gear to driving the accessory gear.
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10-20-2010, 10:48 AM
#13
(10-20-2010, 08:44 AM)George3soccer Are the Detroit motors a common choice for marine use.
Some of them are 2 stoke, so they are very small en powerful.
My dad had one in his 16 meter Reketråler (google it)
It was a Compressor and turbocharged 2 stoke.. Nosy as hell, but very powerful.
My English might be a bit funky, but i'm from Norway and i kind of sucked in English at school
MB W123 3.0 d turbo project
Audi A4 1.8T 220hk
And a old moped
(10-20-2010, 08:44 AM)George3soccer Are the Detroit motors a common choice for marine use.
Some of them are 2 stoke, so they are very small en powerful.
My dad had one in his 16 meter Reketråler (google it)
It was a Compressor and turbocharged 2 stoke.. Nosy as hell, but very powerful.
My English might be a bit funky, but i'm from Norway and i kind of sucked in English at school
MB W123 3.0 d turbo project
Audi A4 1.8T 220hk
And a old moped
10-20-2010, 04:46 PM
#14
yankneck696
10-20-2010, 04:46 PM #14I've worked on alot of Detroits in boats. Great engine. If you ever notice one that isn't leaking oil, shut it down & refill it immediately... Caterpillars are also very common, Mann is starting to get some good usage over here... What I want is the dang diesel Wankel I sawat the Miami boat show years ago. Can't remember who built it, but 6 lobes, 3 turbos & 7500 RPMs.... Dang !!!
George3soccer
10-21-2010, 12:51 PM #15Oh wow. Sounds like a fun motor really. Any videos on that bad boy
10-22-2010, 07:45 AM
#16
(10-20-2010, 04:46 PM)yankneck696 What I want is the dang diesel Wankel I sawat the Miami boat show years ago. Can't remember who built it, but 6 lobes, 3 turbos & 7500 RPMs.... Dang !!!
Was that an OEM marinized engine - or something that was converted? I've hear of diesel radial engines and diesel wankels, but they were both used in military aviation applications.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
HoleshotHolset
10-22-2010, 07:45 AM #16(10-20-2010, 04:46 PM)yankneck696 What I want is the dang diesel Wankel I sawat the Miami boat show years ago. Can't remember who built it, but 6 lobes, 3 turbos & 7500 RPMs.... Dang !!!
Was that an OEM marinized engine - or something that was converted? I've hear of diesel radial engines and diesel wankels, but they were both used in military aviation applications.
Beers,
Matt
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
10-22-2010, 07:52 PM
#17
yankneck696
10-22-2010, 07:52 PM #17It was all billet & custom. They had one in a 42' Sportsfish. 40-something knots at 6300 rpm. It was about comparable to a friggin slant 6. cruise was 33 Kn @4500 & fine control down low for maneuvering. They were showing it as a prototype & it did well. If the #'s were right when I was there, they were real efficient & powerful. Smooth & quiet. Weird when you know of all the force being exerted to move that pig so quick.
HoleshotHolset
10-27-2010, 02:40 PM #18Yeah - moving a 42' boat at 40 kts is no joke.
'07 W211 OM642
'95 W124.131/722.435, 211k - daily driver/Superturbo project - OM606.962 with "M" pump...under construction! (build thread here)
'99 W210.025 - gone, but not forgotten
'94 Dodge/Cummins - gone, but not forgotten
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