New england winter VS. WVO: heated fuel lines
New england winter VS. WVO: heated fuel lines
(http://www.instructables.com/id/heated-h...nversions/)
as it stands i have a fuel heater just before the filter that keeps my oil hot! Some times it will keep the tank at a stable temp, but im not sure that will happen quickly in the winter. in the last few winters my big problem has been fuel gelling in the lines, so maybe this will cure my problem!
my question is where do i get the 3.8 aluminium piping, and will the factory electric pump be able to coup with the extra 24+ feet of 5/8 coolant line?
Also if you have any tips of how to winterize please post them!
Thanks guys!
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cannonballSDL
10-20-2010, 11:56 AM #1Hey guys, im thinking of making coolant heated fuel line like this,
(http://www.instructables.com/id/heated-h...nversions/)
as it stands i have a fuel heater just before the filter that keeps my oil hot! Some times it will keep the tank at a stable temp, but im not sure that will happen quickly in the winter. in the last few winters my big problem has been fuel gelling in the lines, so maybe this will cure my problem!
my question is where do i get the 3.8 aluminium piping, and will the factory electric pump be able to coup with the extra 24+ feet of 5/8 coolant line?
Also if you have any tips of how to winterize please post them!
Thanks guys!
(10-20-2010, 11:56 AM)cannonballSDL in the last few winters my big problem has been fuel gelling in the lines, so maybe this will cure my problem!
Using the correct fuel, diesel, will solve the problem permanently.
ForcedInduction
10-20-2010, 12:25 PM
#2
(10-20-2010, 11:56 AM)cannonballSDL in the last few winters my big problem has been fuel gelling in the lines, so maybe this will cure my problem!
Using the correct fuel, diesel, will solve the problem permanently.
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Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens, but how about i swap the WVO for diesel and you post something worth while?
cannonballSDL
10-20-2010, 12:48 PM #3
Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens, but how about i swap the WVO for diesel and you post something worth while?
Same deal on sealing the rubber hose by just slipping it over the smooth cut off copper pipe.
Why don't you go with a compression fitting (also come in DOT certified) to get the aluminum tubing out of the cooling channel, and a threaded T with two hose barbs. that way you have no questionable connections like that, and much better connections all around.
All the VO companies using Hose in Hose setups have been doing it that way for a while too, there a lots of example pictures floating around. Heres a pic of the same connection I did on my escort diesel a few years back.
Note- I ended up using a 3/4 coolant hose, the barb in the pic is 5/8, and I had to drill out the pipe seating of the compressing fitting so the tubing would fit through, but even though its bulky, ugly and crude, it worked great and it was extremely heavy duty. Plus, it was all brass, and had less of the galvanic reaction problem that copper would have in a predominately aluminum cooling system.
EDIT- I just read through the comments on that article, and the author's reasoning about flow, and compression fitting not coming off. I had no problems with flow, and I did not WANT my compression fitting to come off. But that is a factor, once you tighten the compression fitting down, you do crimp it permanently for the most part around the tubing depending on the tubing thickness you use.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
making something like that out of copper pipe looks like an especially shitty short term solution, at least in that how to article. I mean, they want you to slip some rubber over the aluminum line, then hose clamp rubber hose over that to create a seal for the coolant not to pass? Are they serious? They actually want you to trust your engine cooling system integrity to a seal like that for the long term? those directions are written by a hack, thats a sloppy solution.
Same deal on sealing the rubber hose by just slipping it over the smooth cut off copper pipe.
Why don't you go with a compression fitting (also come in DOT certified) to get the aluminum tubing out of the cooling channel, and a threaded T with two hose barbs. that way you have no questionable connections like that, and much better connections all around.
All the VO companies using Hose in Hose setups have been doing it that way for a while too, there a lots of example pictures floating around. Heres a pic of the same connection I did on my escort diesel a few years back.
Note- I ended up using a 3/4 coolant hose, the barb in the pic is 5/8, and I had to drill out the pipe seating of the compressing fitting so the tubing would fit through, but even though its bulky, ugly and crude, it worked great and it was extremely heavy duty. Plus, it was all brass, and had less of the galvanic reaction problem that copper would have in a predominately aluminum cooling system.
EDIT- I just read through the comments on that article, and the author's reasoning about flow, and compression fitting not coming off. I had no problems with flow, and I did not WANT my compression fitting to come off. But that is a factor, once you tighten the compression fitting down, you do crimp it permanently for the most part around the tubing depending on the tubing thickness you use.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(10-20-2010, 12:48 PM)cannonballSDL Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens
That is false information.
If it were true, please explain why I have started and operated my car on multiple occasions without problems when the ambient temperature has been down to -20*f (No Diesel911, tank heater, hair dryer, ether, g@soline, etc).
ForcedInduction
10-21-2010, 06:52 AM
#5
(10-20-2010, 12:48 PM)cannonballSDL Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens
That is false information.
If it were true, please explain why I have started and operated my car on multiple occasions without problems when the ambient temperature has been down to -20*f (No Diesel911, tank heater, hair dryer, ether, g@soline, etc).
(10-20-2010, 09:00 PM)dropnosky Why don't you go with a compression fitting (also come in DOT certified) to get the aluminum tubing out of the cooling channel, and a threaded T with two hose barbs. that way you have no questionable connections like that, and much better connections all around.
Cool! i dident think of using that heafty stuff! Do you have any more pics of your set up?
(10-21-2010, 06:52 AM)ForcedInductionOpps i was a degree or to off!(10-20-2010, 12:48 PM)cannonballSDL Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens
That is false information.
If it were true, please explain why I have started and operated my car on multiple occasions without problems when the ambient temperature has been down to -20*f (No Diesel911, tank heater, hair dryer, ether, g@soline, etc).
Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?
cannonballSDL
10-21-2010, 11:32 PM #6(10-20-2010, 09:00 PM)dropnosky Why don't you go with a compression fitting (also come in DOT certified) to get the aluminum tubing out of the cooling channel, and a threaded T with two hose barbs. that way you have no questionable connections like that, and much better connections all around.
Cool! i dident think of using that heafty stuff! Do you have any more pics of your set up?
(10-21-2010, 06:52 AM)ForcedInductionOpps i was a degree or to off!(10-20-2010, 12:48 PM)cannonballSDL Well you wrong diesel gells -10 happens
That is false information.
If it were true, please explain why I have started and operated my car on multiple occasions without problems when the ambient temperature has been down to -20*f (No Diesel911, tank heater, hair dryer, ether, g@soline, etc).
Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?
To each their own.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Yes, but it didn't use a precision injection system that cries when fed old fryer oil.
To each their own.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
(10-21-2010, 11:32 PM)cannonballSDL Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?It ran off coal dust.
Even if it did run on peanut oil, the only relation between his engine and yours is they both use a piston and crankshaft.
ForcedInduction
10-22-2010, 06:59 AM
#9
(10-21-2010, 11:32 PM)cannonballSDL Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?It ran off coal dust.
Even if it did run on peanut oil, the only relation between his engine and yours is they both use a piston and crankshaft.
(10-22-2010, 12:05 AM)300D50 Yes, but it didn't use a precision injection system that cries when fed old fryer oil.
To each their own.
I guess my father's has been crying for years! if its really going to turn into a big deal ill just change the words around alittle and everyone will be happy!
(10-22-2010, 06:59 AM)ForcedInduction(10-21-2010, 11:32 PM)cannonballSDL Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?It ran off coal dust.
Even if it did run on peanut oil, the only relation between his engine and yours is they both use a piston and crankshaft.
Im 90% sure it runs off peanut oil, but my father that physically saw the motor says it ran off peanut oil.
cannonballSDL
10-22-2010, 08:50 AM #10(10-22-2010, 12:05 AM)300D50 Yes, but it didn't use a precision injection system that cries when fed old fryer oil.
To each their own.
I guess my father's has been crying for years! if its really going to turn into a big deal ill just change the words around alittle and everyone will be happy!
(10-22-2010, 06:59 AM)ForcedInduction(10-21-2010, 11:32 PM)cannonballSDL Dident rudolf diesel's motor run off peanut oil?It ran off coal dust.
Even if it did run on peanut oil, the only relation between his engine and yours is they both use a piston and crankshaft.
Im 90% sure it runs off peanut oil, but my father that physically saw the motor says it ran off peanut oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine#History
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-22-2010, 09:34 AM #11Theirs some good history on here! The early engines used compressed air to inject the fuel before TDC directly in to the cylinder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine#History
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
(10-22-2010, 08:50 AM)cannonballSDL Im 90% sure it runs off peanut oil, but my father that physically saw the motor says it ran off peanut oil.Then you're 90% wrong. What your father saw was the first successful engine, his first engine didn't use liquid fuel.
ForcedInduction
10-23-2010, 07:15 AM
#12
(10-22-2010, 08:50 AM)cannonballSDL Im 90% sure it runs off peanut oil, but my father that physically saw the motor says it ran off peanut oil.Then you're 90% wrong. What your father saw was the first successful engine, his first engine didn't use liquid fuel.
Unfortunately, I don't have any more pics of that setup on that escort, but it was pretty cool. It was an 86 2.0 diesel 5-speed escort, at 50 hp.
It got approximately the same fuel economy as a newer jetta diesel, around 45 mpg.I threw a 30 gallon tank in the back, filling the whole trunk, and the sucker had a 1300 mile range. it was DANGEROUSLY slow though, ended up selling it to some shoeless hippies who ended up making the car look like shit in the way that only hippies can.
I think underneath, I bundled my coolant hose with some foam pipe insulation which worked pretty well removing wind chill. Oliver is right, some people end up running the lines inside the cabin, but this might be illegal technically from a DOT standpoint I believe. Better do some research on that first. Oliver, whats the rule in Scotland?
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
cannonball, there are lots of online sources for aluminum piping. type in aluminum fuel lines on google, and you can get some decent looking stuff. Also, you can buy it very specifically at Mcmaster-Carr and specify ID and OD, but its pricey. I think some of the VO-kit makers also sell hose in hose kits, you should check out their sites.
Unfortunately, I don't have any more pics of that setup on that escort, but it was pretty cool. It was an 86 2.0 diesel 5-speed escort, at 50 hp. It got approximately the same fuel economy as a newer jetta diesel, around 45 mpg.
I threw a 30 gallon tank in the back, filling the whole trunk, and the sucker had a 1300 mile range. it was DANGEROUSLY slow though, ended up selling it to some shoeless hippies who ended up making the car look like shit in the way that only hippies can.
I think underneath, I bundled my coolant hose with some foam pipe insulation which worked pretty well removing wind chill. Oliver is right, some people end up running the lines inside the cabin, but this might be illegal technically from a DOT standpoint I believe. Better do some research on that first. Oliver, whats the rule in Scotland?
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(10-23-2010, 08:55 AM)dropnosky ] VO pissing contest on almost every VO related thread?Thanks man!
i found a place local where i can get the piping and im going to start making it ASAP(i saw snow!). Next im going to heat the injector lines and filter, but im going to rig them to a remote starter so i can start heating the lines before i start the car.
Are the pad style heaters affective? i guess having the block heater and a pad heater on the tank on the same circuit would make scene.
I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
cannonballSDL
10-23-2010, 03:49 PM #14(10-23-2010, 08:55 AM)dropnosky ] VO pissing contest on almost every VO related thread?Thanks man!
i found a place local where i can get the piping and im going to start making it ASAP(i saw snow!). Next im going to heat the injector lines and filter, but im going to rig them to a remote starter so i can start heating the lines before i start the car.
Are the pad style heaters affective? i guess having the block heater and a pad heater on the tank on the same circuit would make scene.
I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
(10-23-2010, 03:49 PM)cannonballSDL I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
Another reason why BioDiesel was invented, it doesn't turn to jelly at 40*.
If you're truly serious about sticking with grease, invest in a webasto heater.
ForcedInduction
10-23-2010, 11:34 PM
#15
(10-23-2010, 03:49 PM)cannonballSDL I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
Another reason why BioDiesel was invented, it doesn't turn to jelly at 40*.
If you're truly serious about sticking with grease, invest in a webasto heater.
(10-23-2010, 11:34 PM)ForcedInduction(10-23-2010, 03:49 PM)cannonballSDL I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
Another reason why BioDiesel was invented, it doesn't turn to jelly at 40*.
If you're truly serious about sticking with grease, invest in a webasto heater.
Obviously he's serious about sticking with grease, Im not sure that was ever in question for him.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(10-23-2010, 11:34 PM)ForcedInduction(10-23-2010, 03:49 PM)cannonballSDL I just want to cure the problems we have been having with running WVO in the cold.
Another reason why BioDiesel was invented, it doesn't turn to jelly at 40*.
If you're truly serious about sticking with grease, invest in a webasto heater.
Obviously he's serious about sticking with grease, Im not sure that was ever in question for him.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
But i would suggest looking into the following:
Make sure all your GP's are new and working.
Fuel line heaters, and a in-tank heater.
Flat plate heat exchanger.
How about putting a extra fuel tank in the trunk that will hold a few gallons of diesel that you start, and turn your car off on, and switch to VO after its all warmed up?
Have you thought about adding a gallon or so of diesel to a whole tank of VO to help thin it? Or an additive?
Is that an option?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
I live in purty warm weather so i dont have to worry too much about the cold, or my fuel gelling.
But i would suggest looking into the following:
Make sure all your GP's are new and working.
Fuel line heaters, and a in-tank heater.
Flat plate heat exchanger.
How about putting a extra fuel tank in the trunk that will hold a few gallons of diesel that you start, and turn your car off on, and switch to VO after its all warmed up?
Have you thought about adding a gallon or so of diesel to a whole tank of VO to help thin it? Or an additive?
Is that an option?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
maybe i should start getting ready for winter before winter comes!
cannonballSDL
11-18-2010, 05:44 PM #18Up date: its been super warm and i have been running WVO maybe i should start getting ready for winter before winter comes!
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