Coilovers
Coilovers
09-13-2009, 07:17 PM
#2
(09-13-2009, 04:37 PM)garage Ive seen pics of a w123 wagon, and a w116 with coilover setups.
Is this a option on some models... that could be swapped over?
Or a fully custom job?
where did you see this?
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
SurfRodder
09-13-2009, 07:17 PM #2(09-13-2009, 04:37 PM)garage Ive seen pics of a w123 wagon, and a w116 with coilover setups.
Is this a option on some models... that could be swapped over?
Or a fully custom job?
where did you see this?
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
09-13-2009, 08:45 PM
#3
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.
Locked diff too!
hehe
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
I cannot remember where i saw the wagon at, when i fing it ill post it.
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.
Locked diff too!
hehe
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
09-13-2009, 09:29 PM
#4
This post was last modified: 09-13-2009, 09:29 PM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
09-13-2009, 09:29 PM
#4
Those aren't coilovers, those are shocks inside the springs. The stock configuration.
09-14-2009, 05:40 AM
#5
(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
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OT- I dig the w116 wagon...
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
09-14-2009, 05:40 AM #5(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
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OT- I dig the w116 wagon...
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
09-14-2009, 12:21 PM
#6
(09-13-2009, 09:29 PM)ForcedInduction Those aren't coilovers, those are shocks inside the springs. The stock configuration.
If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.
(09-14-2009, 05:40 AM)DeliveryValve(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
...
OT- I dig the w116 wagon...
I know right, talk about rare.
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This post was last modified: 09-14-2009, 12:22 PM by garage.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(09-13-2009, 09:29 PM)ForcedInduction Those aren't coilovers, those are shocks inside the springs. The stock configuration.
If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.
(09-14-2009, 05:40 AM)DeliveryValve(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage ...
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
...
OT- I dig the w116 wagon...
I know right, talk about rare.
.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
09-14-2009, 12:50 PM
#7
(09-14-2009, 12:21 PM)garage If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.
On the front, yes.
ForcedInduction
09-14-2009, 12:50 PM
#7
(09-14-2009, 12:21 PM)garage If thats stock configuration, why isnt my 116 like that?
I have shocks besides the coil.
On the front, yes.
09-18-2009, 09:26 PM
#9
(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage I cannot remember where i saw the wagon at, when i fing it ill post it.
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.
Locked diff too!
hehe
That 4th picture looks like the Aluminium trailing arms from a W126.
these were discussed over on Peachparts a while back. thought the
consenses was they wouldn`t fit.
Were they available for the w123 in other markets?
Charlie
(09-13-2009, 08:45 PM)garage I cannot remember where i saw the wagon at, when i fing it ill post it.
As far as the 116
http://www.topklasse.net.au/forums/showt...php?t=1636
2nd and 3rd picture.
Locked diff too!
hehe
That 4th picture looks like the Aluminium trailing arms from a W126.
these were discussed over on Peachparts a while back. thought the
consenses was they wouldn`t fit.
Were they available for the w123 in other markets?
Charlie
10-04-2009, 11:49 PM
#11
I think that if someone were willing to do the homework, this is quite feasible for our cars and would certainly be a step up from cutting springs and whatnot.
CID Vicious
10-04-2009, 11:49 PM #11Actually, if someone were willing to do the research, I'm pretty sure one could cobble together a coilover system for these cars using coilovers designed for other applications. It would be a matter of getting the right spring length figured out and mounting it. As far as shock settings and spring rates go you have your pick. I had a cheap set of Korean K-sport coilovers on my SE-R and it was a phenomenal difference in a car that had very good essentials from the factory already. Although the K-sports had pillow ball mounts, built in camber plates and came with Heim jointed endlinks for the rear sway bar, too.
I think that if someone were willing to do the homework, this is quite feasible for our cars and would certainly be a step up from cutting springs and whatnot.
02-17-2010, 11:03 PM
#13
(02-17-2010, 05:30 PM)tantank79 What are people's thoughts on using the existing shock mounts as coilover mounting points?
Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing. The A-arms and trailing arms were probably designed to have the spring mounted in its cup only. There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
Secondaries
02-17-2010, 11:03 PM #13(02-17-2010, 05:30 PM)tantank79 What are people's thoughts on using the existing shock mounts as coilover mounting points?
Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing. The A-arms and trailing arms were probably designed to have the spring mounted in its cup only. There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
02-18-2010, 10:55 AM
#15
That would be something to look into...adapting a QA1 coilover kit from another application.
CID Vicious
02-18-2010, 10:55 AM #15Look up some GM G bodies and the like with coilovers, while the systems are far from identical it's still upper and lower A's and the adaptation process would be similar.
That would be something to look into...adapting a QA1 coilover kit from another application.
02-19-2010, 02:00 AM
#16
(02-18-2010, 09:16 AM)tantank79(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
Like...?
Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.
Secondaries
02-19-2010, 02:00 AM #16(02-18-2010, 09:16 AM)tantank79(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
Like...?
Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.
02-19-2010, 12:34 PM
#17
(02-19-2010, 02:00 AM)Secondaries(02-18-2010, 09:16 AM)tantank79(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
Like...?
Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.
Ok, that is basically what I have been thinking about as well, but wanted to hear your ideas. I'm considering making adapters/towers that bolt into holes where the spring cups are originally bolted into the lower control arm and drilling a few holes in the upper spring seat area of the body.
This post was last modified: 02-19-2010, 12:35 PM by tantank79.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
(02-19-2010, 02:00 AM)Secondaries(02-18-2010, 09:16 AM)tantank79(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries There are other ways to get coil over adjustability, though...
Like...?
Building an adaptor that fits into the spring cup, and accepts universal coilover sleeves, is pretty simple. 2 5/8" coilover springs are cheap and plentiful. www.stockcarproducts.com and Summit both have everything you'd need as far as the coilover parts.
Ok, that is basically what I have been thinking about as well, but wanted to hear your ideas. I'm considering making adapters/towers that bolt into holes where the spring cups are originally bolted into the lower control arm and drilling a few holes in the upper spring seat area of the body.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
02-25-2010, 11:32 PM
#18
(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
11-14-2010, 01:20 PM
#19
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Image(s)1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
11-14-2010, 01:20 PM #19The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.
Attached Files
Image(s)1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
11-15-2010, 05:46 PM
#20
(02-25-2010, 11:32 PM)tantank79 What about on a wagon? The SLS shock mounting points were designed for load bearing.
(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
Since this came back up, I would like to pose this question again.
(02-25-2010, 11:32 PM)tantank79 What about on a wagon? The SLS shock mounting points were designed for load bearing.
(02-17-2010, 11:03 PM)Secondaries Generally not a good idea. Shock mounting points were meant to be used only for damping, not for load bearing.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
11-15-2010, 06:17 PM
#21
SLS is available in the sedans. I don't know what, if any, reinforcement was done for them.
ForcedInduction
11-15-2010, 06:17 PM
#21
The wagon chassis is very different from the sedan B-pillar back. The SLS supports the majority of the body load while the springs are basically there as a fail-safe.
SLS is available in the sedans. I don't know what, if any, reinforcement was done for them.
11-29-2010, 12:48 PM
#23
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
11-29-2010, 12:48 PM #23sls 4 way on a w201 was only available in the euro 2.5-16v, and evo models. But thats only a option, and a dime a dozen. So goodluck with finding that.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
11-29-2010, 09:02 PM
#24
(11-14-2010, 01:20 PM)mike-81-240d The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.
Yeah but the suspension is no longer original either, i belive most of it is from a Toyota Aristo.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
11-29-2010, 09:19 PM
#25
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-29-2010, 09:19 PM #25The steering gear is from a volvo!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
02-09-2011, 04:34 AM
#27
(11-29-2010, 09:02 PM)garage(11-14-2010, 01:20 PM)mike-81-240d The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.
Yeah but the suspension is no longer original either, i belive most of it is from a Toyota Aristo.
Yes, you are right, the team black smoke racing car has Toyota, gearbox, rearend, and some of the front suspension too(including steering rack).
PPC mag(uk), have just done an article on it, in the latest issue, I was actually quite dissapointed in how little of the original Mercedes was left.
In my sedan build, I'm trying to use as many Mercedes parts as possible, mainly just to challenge myself, but also because I think there is plenty of strong parts across the entire model range to build my car. But I am looking into fitting/making coilovers for my car.
I'll let you know how I get on
![[Image: d7235ae7.jpg]](http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s21/fha772/d7235ae7.jpg)
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6743&start=105
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMf0sZubyfg&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPZy0pNgcZ0&feature=plcp
(11-29-2010, 09:02 PM)garage(11-14-2010, 01:20 PM)mike-81-240d The wagon that has coilovers is the team black smoke racing 300TD. It has RX-8 coilovers installed.
Yeah but the suspension is no longer original either, i belive most of it is from a Toyota Aristo.
Yes, you are right, the team black smoke racing car has Toyota, gearbox, rearend, and some of the front suspension too(including steering rack).
PPC mag(uk), have just done an article on it, in the latest issue, I was actually quite dissapointed in how little of the original Mercedes was left.
In my sedan build, I'm trying to use as many Mercedes parts as possible, mainly just to challenge myself, but also because I think there is plenty of strong parts across the entire model range to build my car. But I am looking into fitting/making coilovers for my car.
I'll let you know how I get on
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=6743&start=105
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMf0sZubyfg&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPZy0pNgcZ0&feature=plcp
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