big element pumps
big element pumps
12-15-2010, 04:53 PM
#1
Hi guys, i am still working on c250 drift car. I am having no luck getting elements for my m pump. I have the older om602 pump. I have thought of using a 5 cyclinder deutz pump from air cooled engine. Does anyone know what size of elements is in one of these pumps.
12-15-2010, 05:18 PM
#4
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
, right Tomnik?
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
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You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some , right Tomnik?
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
12-15-2010, 05:44 PM
#5
(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
12-15-2010, 05:49 PM
#6
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
How about we get you a 8mm pump with all good extra that those can get?
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-15-2010, 06:28 PM
#8
(12-15-2010, 06:00 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:49 PM)jeemu How about we get you a 8mm pump with all good extra that those can get?Hi,
Is this 8mm m pump myna?
Yes it is. I have my self use that and it is worked fine.Can delivery fuel high rpm and still cut fuel, and what is the best. It give huge amount of fuel
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(12-15-2010, 06:00 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:49 PM)jeemu How about we get you a 8mm pump with all good extra that those can get?Hi,
Is this 8mm m pump myna?
Yes it is. I have my self use that and it is worked fine.Can delivery fuel high rpm and still cut fuel, and what is the best. It give huge amount of fuel
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-15-2010, 11:53 PM
#9
(12-15-2010, 05:44 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
"no success" here means I'm still waiting for the delivery of the new production run. Promised for mid December, I got the information that the machine for matching the plunger to the barrel was down for maintenance last week.
In case somebody has the possibilities to get the elements manufactured faster, I am open for any support.
Tom
(12-15-2010, 05:44 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
"no success" here means I'm still waiting for the delivery of the new production run. Promised for mid December, I got the information that the machine for matching the plunger to the barrel was down for maintenance last week.
In case somebody has the possibilities to get the elements manufactured faster, I am open for any support.
Tom
12-16-2010, 02:32 PM
#11
(12-15-2010, 06:28 PM)jeemuhi,(12-15-2010, 06:00 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:49 PM)jeemu How about we get you a 8mm pump with all good extra that those can get?Hi,
Is this 8mm m pump myna?
Yes it is. I have my self use that and it is worked fine.Can delivery fuel high rpm and still cut fuel, and what is the best. It give huge amount of fuel
how much money is this pump?
(12-16-2010, 03:04 AM)muuris Don't need lots of fuel with HX35. Even the 7mm Mynä supplies more fuel than the current engine can burn.hi,
Did you call +35824307180 or what?
i tried that number and also another number
(12-15-2010, 11:53 PM)tomnikhi,(12-15-2010, 05:44 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
"no success" here means I'm still waiting for the delivery of the new production run. Promised for mid December, I got the information that the machine for matching the plunger to the barrel was down for maintenance last week.
In case somebody has the possibilities to get the elements manufactured faster, I am open for any support.
Tom
ok no problem
wayne
This post was last modified: 12-16-2010, 02:35 PM by mantahead.
(12-15-2010, 06:28 PM)jeemuhi,(12-15-2010, 06:00 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:49 PM)jeemu How about we get you a 8mm pump with all good extra that those can get?Hi,
Is this 8mm m pump myna?
Yes it is. I have my self use that and it is worked fine.Can delivery fuel high rpm and still cut fuel, and what is the best. It give huge amount of fuel
how much money is this pump?
(12-16-2010, 03:04 AM)muuris Don't need lots of fuel with HX35. Even the 7mm Mynä supplies more fuel than the current engine can burn.hi,
Did you call +35824307180 or what?
i tried that number and also another number
(12-15-2010, 11:53 PM)tomnikhi,(12-15-2010, 05:44 PM)mantahead(12-15-2010, 05:18 PM)Deni You can't buy (can't find) or don't want to buy?Hi,
Because if it is only can't buy (can't find) maybe Tomnik will hook you up with some
Dont want to buy? I have already tried to buy elements from Tomnik with no success. I got two numbers for myna that were wrong. I have been patient so where do i go from here? I need to try something.
"no success" here means I'm still waiting for the delivery of the new production run. Promised for mid December, I got the information that the machine for matching the plunger to the barrel was down for maintenance last week.
In case somebody has the possibilities to get the elements manufactured faster, I am open for any support.
Tom
ok no problem
wayne
12-18-2010, 03:06 PM
#12
i take it no one likes the idea of non MB pump on these engines or because no one has tried it yet no one cares. Could someone please put me out of my misery and tell me if this has ever been tried. I would like to try deutz pump on om605 but still haven't found out exact element size but should know by monday. Has anyone ever tried another pump on 6 cyclinder? IS THERE TO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE MODIFYING MB PUMPS?
hi guys,
i take it no one likes the idea of non MB pump on these engines or because no one has tried it yet no one cares. Could someone please put me out of my misery and tell me if this has ever been tried. I would like to try deutz pump on om605 but still haven't found out exact element size but should know by monday. Has anyone ever tried another pump on 6 cyclinder? IS THERE TO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE MODIFYING MB PUMPS?
12-18-2010, 03:57 PM
#13
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
You can try using a volvo pes6mw100 pump, and have the governor tweaked/exchanged for one from a benz spec MW(if possible). That gives 10mm and enough fuel to kill a horse.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
12-18-2010, 06:17 PM
#14
(12-18-2010, 03:57 PM)300D50 You can try using a volvo pes6mw100 pump, and have the governor tweaked/exchanged for one from a benz spec MW(if possible). That gives 10mm and enough fuel to kill a horse.6cyl pump in 5cylinder car?
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(12-18-2010, 03:57 PM)300D50 You can try using a volvo pes6mw100 pump, and have the governor tweaked/exchanged for one from a benz spec MW(if possible). That gives 10mm and enough fuel to kill a horse.6cyl pump in 5cylinder car?
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-18-2010, 06:28 PM
#15
This post was last modified: 12-18-2010, 06:30 PM by 300D50.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
If you look at the post above mine, he asked if anyone tried another pump on a 6 cyl car.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
12-19-2010, 05:11 AM
#16
(12-18-2010, 06:28 PM)300D50 If you look at the post above mine, he asked if anyone tried another pump on a 6 cyl car.Yes he did, but he also say at he planning pump OM605. So cant use pes6
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(12-18-2010, 06:28 PM)300D50 If you look at the post above mine, he asked if anyone tried another pump on a 6 cyl car.Yes he did, but he also say at he planning pump OM605. So cant use pes6
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-19-2010, 05:15 AM
#17
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
True, but I just answered the 6 cyl part. I can see how that could get confusing, I got confused myself! :p
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
12-19-2010, 06:44 AM
#18
(12-19-2010, 05:15 AM)300D50 True, but I just answered the 6 cyl part. I can see how that could get confusing, I got confused myself! :phi,
sorry about the confusion,but i was asking about both 5 or 6 cyclinder
engines, just wondering if anyone had tried another pump.Thanks
wayne
12-20-2010, 12:23 AM
#19
Also the decreased injection duration caused by pushing a larger volume of fuel per given time period could be a good thing as long as it doesn't put out the flame front.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Yes, but I'll bet you could find a volvo pump cheaper than having a pump built up.
Also the decreased injection duration caused by pushing a larger volume of fuel per given time period could be a good thing as long as it doesn't put out the flame front.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
12-20-2010, 06:37 AM
#20
You'll have to heavily modify the governor, or you'll end up with less power than stock as your engine just won't rev. I believe the gov.spring of that kind of pump is quite stiff (as is with Merc M pump), so you'll have to lighten the counterweights. You'll want a weak spring that is highly pre-loaded. Without a pump bench this is very time consuming (putting pump in car, testing, taking it out, put another spring in, pump back in car, still not good, take it out again etc..).
If this was about saving money or getting a nearly-plug-n-play garage pump solution without changing elements or else, then think twice..
If you put a tractor/truck pump, your are still far from nicely working setup when you have the pump physically installed.
You'll have to heavily modify the governor, or you'll end up with less power than stock as your engine just won't rev. I believe the gov.spring of that kind of pump is quite stiff (as is with Merc M pump), so you'll have to lighten the counterweights. You'll want a weak spring that is highly pre-loaded. Without a pump bench this is very time consuming (putting pump in car, testing, taking it out, put another spring in, pump back in car, still not good, take it out again etc..).
If this was about saving money or getting a nearly-plug-n-play garage pump solution without changing elements or else, then think twice..
12-20-2010, 07:02 AM
#21
I'm not saying it's better than refitting new plungers in an existing pump, but that it's doable.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
While it is a pain to do, it is a possibility that some might look into. It would be cheaper initially for sure, and some people have more time than money and would like messing around.
I'm not saying it's better than refitting new plungers in an existing pump, but that it's doable.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
12-20-2010, 06:06 PM
#23
(12-20-2010, 06:37 AM)muuris If you put a tractor/truck pump, your are still far from nicely working setup when you have the pump physically installed.hi,
You'll have to heavily modify the governor, or you'll end up with less power than stock as your engine just won't rev. I believe the gov.spring of that kind of pump is quite stiff (as is with Merc M pump), so you'll have to lighten the counterweights. You'll want a weak spring that is highly pre-loaded. Without a pump bench this is very time consuming (putting pump in car, testing, taking it out, put another spring in, pump back in car, still not good, take it out again etc..).
If this was about saving money or getting a nearly-plug-n-play garage pump solution without changing elements or else, then think twice..
i have seen a pump a guy uses for tractor pulling,it has 14mm elements. It was sent to holland and they remove large governor housing at back of pump and replace it with a smaller one to let it rev higher. It has adjustable screw coming out the back of housing. I take it this is external adjuster for the governor. I think they use smaller counterweights with this governor housing. He reckons this pump
is good for 7000 rpm.
wayne
(12-20-2010, 07:02 AM)300D50 While it is a pain to do, it is a possibility that some might look into. It would be cheaper initially for sure, and some people have more time than money and would like messing around.hi,
I'm not saying it's better than refitting new plungers in an existing pump, but that it's doable.
it would be nice to try another pump with bigger elements as standard maybe to prove that it can work for cheaper money, but on the other hand might not be cheaper. I like to explore other options other than expensive pumps, the worst that can happen is it wont work.
wayne
(12-20-2010, 07:57 AM)Einar If you can find the bosch pump number from det Deutz, We can tell you the size of the plungers.hi,
cant get a hold of a pump at the minute
This post was last modified: 12-20-2010, 06:27 PM by mantahead.
(12-20-2010, 06:37 AM)muuris If you put a tractor/truck pump, your are still far from nicely working setup when you have the pump physically installed.hi,
You'll have to heavily modify the governor, or you'll end up with less power than stock as your engine just won't rev. I believe the gov.spring of that kind of pump is quite stiff (as is with Merc M pump), so you'll have to lighten the counterweights. You'll want a weak spring that is highly pre-loaded. Without a pump bench this is very time consuming (putting pump in car, testing, taking it out, put another spring in, pump back in car, still not good, take it out again etc..).
If this was about saving money or getting a nearly-plug-n-play garage pump solution without changing elements or else, then think twice..
i have seen a pump a guy uses for tractor pulling,it has 14mm elements. It was sent to holland and they remove large governor housing at back of pump and replace it with a smaller one to let it rev higher. It has adjustable screw coming out the back of housing. I take it this is external adjuster for the governor. I think they use smaller counterweights with this governor housing. He reckons this pump
is good for 7000 rpm.
wayne
(12-20-2010, 07:02 AM)300D50 While it is a pain to do, it is a possibility that some might look into. It would be cheaper initially for sure, and some people have more time than money and would like messing around.hi,
I'm not saying it's better than refitting new plungers in an existing pump, but that it's doable.
it would be nice to try another pump with bigger elements as standard maybe to prove that it can work for cheaper money, but on the other hand might not be cheaper. I like to explore other options other than expensive pumps, the worst that can happen is it wont work.
wayne
(12-20-2010, 07:57 AM)Einar If you can find the bosch pump number from det Deutz, We can tell you the size of the plungers.hi,
cant get a hold of a pump at the minute
12-21-2010, 03:25 AM
#24
Give Eddie Terlouw at Terlouw diesels in the Netherlands a call. http://www.terlouw.nu/uk/index.htm He speaks perfect English and they are a font of knowledge as regards tuning Merc diesels. We have sent a few big Scanias and Dafs over to be optimised/tuned and they came back with excellent results. The drivers reported superior performance and pulling power and the fuel usage improved into the bargain. I have seen a few campers with Merc mechanical diesel engines they have done and they went like scalded cats! In once case,the owner couldn't get to use 5th gear(manual) due to the lack of power. After Terlouws over hauled his pump and injectors his engine now performs like a V10! He is now looking for a 6 speed gearbox as his engine revs out in 5th. They must also modify the pumps and injectors as the fitter who removed and refitted one of their pumps said it was timed to different settings
Well worth a call and tell him what your requirements are with your drift car. They also have their modifications checked on their in house dyno. Keep us posted how you get on.
" It is far easier to get forgiveness rather than permission"
Riverstick
12-21-2010, 03:25 AM #24Hi Manta,
Give Eddie Terlouw at Terlouw diesels in the Netherlands a call. http://www.terlouw.nu/uk/index.htm He speaks perfect English and they are a font of knowledge as regards tuning Merc diesels. We have sent a few big Scanias and Dafs over to be optimised/tuned and they came back with excellent results. The drivers reported superior performance and pulling power and the fuel usage improved into the bargain. I have seen a few campers with Merc mechanical diesel engines they have done and they went like scalded cats! In once case,the owner couldn't get to use 5th gear(manual) due to the lack of power. After Terlouws over hauled his pump and injectors his engine now performs like a V10! He is now looking for a 6 speed gearbox as his engine revs out in 5th. They must also modify the pumps and injectors as the fitter who removed and refitted one of their pumps said it was timed to different settings
Well worth a call and tell him what your requirements are with your drift car. They also have their modifications checked on their in house dyno. Keep us posted how you get on.
" It is far easier to get forgiveness rather than permission"
12-21-2010, 06:59 PM
#25
(12-21-2010, 03:25 AM)Riverstick Hi Manta,hi,
Give Eddie Terlouw at Terlouw diesels in the Netherlands a call. http://www.terlouw.nu/uk/index.htm He speaks perfect English and they are a font of knowledge as regards tuning Merc diesels. We have sent a few big Scanias and Dafs over to be optimised/tuned and they came back with excellent results. The drivers reported superior performance and pulling power and the fuel usage improved into the bargain. I have seen a few campers with Merc mechanical diesel engines they have done and they went like scalded cats! In once case,the owner couldn't get to use 5th gear(manual) due to the lack of power. After Terlouws over hauled his pump and injectors his engine now performs like a V10! He is now looking for a 6 speed gearbox as his engine revs out in 5th. They must also modify the pumps and injectors as the fitter who removed and refitted one of their pumps said it was timed to different settings
Well worth a call and tell him what your requirements are with your drift car. They also have their modifications checked on their in house dyno. Keep us posted how you get on.
i will give him a ring, thanks
wayne
(12-21-2010, 03:25 AM)Riverstick Hi Manta,hi,
Give Eddie Terlouw at Terlouw diesels in the Netherlands a call. http://www.terlouw.nu/uk/index.htm He speaks perfect English and they are a font of knowledge as regards tuning Merc diesels. We have sent a few big Scanias and Dafs over to be optimised/tuned and they came back with excellent results. The drivers reported superior performance and pulling power and the fuel usage improved into the bargain. I have seen a few campers with Merc mechanical diesel engines they have done and they went like scalded cats! In once case,the owner couldn't get to use 5th gear(manual) due to the lack of power. After Terlouws over hauled his pump and injectors his engine now performs like a V10! He is now looking for a 6 speed gearbox as his engine revs out in 5th. They must also modify the pumps and injectors as the fitter who removed and refitted one of their pumps said it was timed to different settings
Well worth a call and tell him what your requirements are with your drift car. They also have their modifications checked on their in house dyno. Keep us posted how you get on.
i will give him a ring, thanks
wayne
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