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larsalan
Superturbo

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03-02-2011, 12:43 AM #1
Waste motor oil as fuel. Homebrew ethanol for water/ethyl-alchohol injection.

Any recipes for sugar/yeast/water? Who are the moonshiners?

Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
larsalan
03-02-2011, 12:43 AM #1

Waste motor oil as fuel. Homebrew ethanol for water/ethyl-alchohol injection.

Any recipes for sugar/yeast/water? Who are the moonshiners?


Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'

300D50
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775
03-02-2011, 02:07 AM #2
1) you'd spend an eon filtering it, and it'd still be the wrong viscosity.
2) cheaper to buy denatured alcohol in bulk, you'd spend much more in sugar prices, and if you didn't get ti perfect you'd accidentally make vinegar.

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300D50
03-02-2011, 02:07 AM #2

1) you'd spend an eon filtering it, and it'd still be the wrong viscosity.
2) cheaper to buy denatured alcohol in bulk, you'd spend much more in sugar prices, and if you didn't get ti perfect you'd accidentally make vinegar.


1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72

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My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.

larsalan
Superturbo

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03-02-2011, 09:17 AM #3
1)Yes, will need to add diesel or kero to the umo. Will not spend $4 per gallon. The oil is free just need to go pick up 55 gal drums. Kinda a pita but, that's like ~$180 of fuel.

2)No, have you ever done it? Just a milk jug, 2 cups of white sugar and a pack of yeast. How the hell is yeast going to make vinegar?
Yeast just turns sugars into co2+ethenol. Already in water just don't want any solids, sugar, or co2.

Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
larsalan
03-02-2011, 09:17 AM #3

1)Yes, will need to add diesel or kero to the umo. Will not spend $4 per gallon. The oil is free just need to go pick up 55 gal drums. Kinda a pita but, that's like ~$180 of fuel.

2)No, have you ever done it? Just a milk jug, 2 cups of white sugar and a pack of yeast. How the hell is yeast going to make vinegar?
Yeast just turns sugars into co2+ethenol. Already in water just don't want any solids, sugar, or co2.


Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'

300D50
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775
03-02-2011, 09:51 AM #4
1) If you cut it, you should be good, thought you meant straight engine oil. A gallon of oil for 7 of diesel would be what I'd try. The real issue is the possible contaminants that can't be filtered, so make sure there's nothing really bad in the batch.

2) If you let the yeast get air, and let it go too long, the secondary fermentation is to vinegar. Just ask anyone who ever had an airlock that leaked.
I don't have a detailed cost analysis, but it is much cheaper to buy denatured alcohol and mix it in this case. If it were for general consumption, it'd be cheaper for sure.
I encourage you to try it, even if just as a learning experience. Just don't get expect gallons and gallons of alcohol cheaper than a can of denatured.

Sorry if any of it came across as condescending, I'm just trying to help.

EDIT:
Found a site that can help you out a bit, it's easier than if I tried explaining the how and what of it.

http://homedistiller.org/wash-sugar.htm
This post was last modified: 03-02-2011, 09:56 AM by 300D50.

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300D50
03-02-2011, 09:51 AM #4

1) If you cut it, you should be good, thought you meant straight engine oil. A gallon of oil for 7 of diesel would be what I'd try. The real issue is the possible contaminants that can't be filtered, so make sure there's nothing really bad in the batch.

2) If you let the yeast get air, and let it go too long, the secondary fermentation is to vinegar. Just ask anyone who ever had an airlock that leaked.
I don't have a detailed cost analysis, but it is much cheaper to buy denatured alcohol and mix it in this case. If it were for general consumption, it'd be cheaper for sure.
I encourage you to try it, even if just as a learning experience. Just don't get expect gallons and gallons of alcohol cheaper than a can of denatured.

Sorry if any of it came across as condescending, I'm just trying to help.

EDIT:
Found a site that can help you out a bit, it's easier than if I tried explaining the how and what of it.

http://homedistiller.org/wash-sugar.htm


1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72

I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.

winmutt
bitbanger

3,468
03-02-2011, 11:21 AM #5
(03-02-2011, 02:07 AM)300D50 1) you'd spend an eon filtering it, and it'd still be the wrong viscosity.
http://superturbodiesel.com/std/centrifu...-t-74.html

Not that I support this idea in any way shape or form.

Would you drink a sand milkshake? No? Why make your car drink it?

1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
winmutt
03-02-2011, 11:21 AM #5

(03-02-2011, 02:07 AM)300D50 1) you'd spend an eon filtering it, and it'd still be the wrong viscosity.
http://superturbodiesel.com/std/centrifu...-t-74.html

Not that I support this idea in any way shape or form.

Would you drink a sand milkshake? No? Why make your car drink it?


1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42

larsalan
Superturbo

1,272
03-02-2011, 11:58 AM #6
Why make your car drink it?
^ because of $ free is better than $4 per gallon.
The car cost $500. I love is and all but, there are more to be had.

I didn't know about that vinegar chemistry. I guess that's why they call it 'distilled vinegar'.
I would try more like 10gal wmo/ 1 gal kero

the point is to cut fuel cost.


Also probably right that's too much trouble just look for a sale on isopropyl at walgreens.

Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
larsalan
03-02-2011, 11:58 AM #6

Why make your car drink it?
^ because of $ free is better than $4 per gallon.
The car cost $500. I love is and all but, there are more to be had.

I didn't know about that vinegar chemistry. I guess that's why they call it 'distilled vinegar'.
I would try more like 10gal wmo/ 1 gal kero

the point is to cut fuel cost.


Also probably right that's too much trouble just look for a sale on isopropyl at walgreens.


Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'

300D50
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775
03-02-2011, 12:37 PM #7
$33 for 5 gallon of denatured at sears last I knew.

I'd go no more than 40% oil, 60% kero/offroad.

1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72

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My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
300D50
03-02-2011, 12:37 PM #7

$33 for 5 gallon of denatured at sears last I knew.

I'd go no more than 40% oil, 60% kero/offroad.


1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72

I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.

 
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