Moving the starter?
Moving the starter?
02-10-2011, 01:17 PM
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Some pics from PP:
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Anyone have better pics or actual blueprints?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
So fha772 pointed on the 280 that you can apparently use a different backing plate and swap the starter position. I looked at a few engine pics this morning and with the oil cooler moved there might be enough room to do this with a 617 as well. I did notices that on the left side (viewing from back) there is a bit of a slope and may not be possible. If anyone has a 617 out of the car and doesn't mind playing around with this some, see if it looks like fitment is possible.
Some pics from PP:
Anyone have better pics or actual blueprints?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
02-10-2011, 02:09 PM
#2
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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02-10-2011, 02:20 PM
#3
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
I've got 2 617's (turbo) in the garage too.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
02-10-2011, 02:30 PM
#4
Rudolf_Diesel has my other 617 and he has an intermediate plate that I gave him (probably doesn't matter if were talking about moving the starter. He might already have measurements.
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This post was last modified: 02-10-2011, 02:30 PM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
02-10-2011, 02:30 PM #4I also have 617 in storage I can take pics of.
Rudolf_Diesel has my other 617 and he has an intermediate plate that I gave him (probably doesn't matter if were talking about moving the starter. He might already have measurements.
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02-14-2011, 07:10 AM
#6
He said he used the stock starter too, and there was plenty of room down there.
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
This post was last modified: 02-14-2011, 07:14 AM by JB3.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
these guys moved the starter to down low on the left with the stock setup still intact-
He said he used the stock starter too, and there was plenty of room down there.
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
02-14-2011, 10:29 AM
#7
(02-14-2011, 07:10 AM)dropnosky these guys moved the starter to down low on the left with the stock setup still intact-
He said he used the stock starter too, and there was plenty of room down there.
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
Well the idea is to see if you can mount the 201/124 5spd on a 617 simply by swapping the backing plate and starter. Its an pipe dream for now...
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(02-14-2011, 07:10 AM)dropnosky these guys moved the starter to down low on the left with the stock setup still intact-
He said he used the stock starter too, and there was plenty of room down there.
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
Well the idea is to see if you can mount the 201/124 5spd on a 617 simply by swapping the backing plate and starter. Its an pipe dream for now...
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
02-14-2011, 02:00 PM
#8
(02-14-2011, 07:10 AM)dropnosky ...
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
That might be so. But when I briefly explored this idea in the past and measured, it was something like 9 inches from the intermediate plate to the starter bracket and something like 7 inches from the intermediate plate to the IP back cover. But I think the IP is mounted higher and might clear the starter if you use an '85 cali version. I look at it more later when I get a chance.
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DeliveryValve
02-14-2011, 02:00 PM #8(02-14-2011, 07:10 AM)dropnosky ...
Are we talking moving the starter so its on the opposite side high where the oil filter would be? If thats the case, I think a stock starter would hit the injection pump on a 617
That might be so. But when I briefly explored this idea in the past and measured, it was something like 9 inches from the intermediate plate to the starter bracket and something like 7 inches from the intermediate plate to the IP back cover. But I think the IP is mounted higher and might clear the starter if you use an '85 cali version. I look at it more later when I get a chance.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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02-15-2011, 01:08 AM
#9
I took pics but I couldn't find my tape or a ruler lol. So here are a few pics. I'm still sorta unclear of what it is that you are asking.
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You can see the oil filter housing is clearly in the way if you were to flip the plate.
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I'll bring my tape home tomorrow and measure the distance you have to put a starter in there.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
I played around a little with one today. I have. Adapter plate off of the engines so I flipped it over and set it on the back of the block backwards. You would definitely have to put it down lower. The filter housing is in the way big time. It looks like it may clear the ip.
I took pics but I couldn't find my tape or a ruler lol. So here are a few pics. I'm still sorta unclear of what it is that you are asking.
You can see the oil filter housing is clearly in the way if you were to flip the plate.
I'll bring my tape home tomorrow and measure the distance you have to put a starter in there.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
02-15-2011, 09:00 AM
#11
(02-14-2011, 02:00 PM)DeliveryValve ... But I think the IP is mounted higher and might clear the starter if you use an '85 cali version. ..Oops I just thought about this, by putting the Federal starter on the other side effectively makes it like a Cali version. The solenoid will be upside down.
(02-15-2011, 01:08 AM)dieselboy I'm still sorta unclear of what it is that you are asking.
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There is general consensus that the oil filter housing is in the way. Which you've shown with your pictures. The other issue is whether or not the starter will clear the IP. I think it will, because the IP is mounted slightly higher.
Regarding the oil filter housing, a remote filter will get it out of the way. But I am inclined to keep the stock filter housing. I would be interested in block adapter and hose adapters that will effectively raise the filter housing up so it will clear the starter and still keep a stock look.... That is if I am going to install a 6 speed manual trans or maybe build up a 722.5 overdrive or adapt 722.6......
This post was last modified: 02-15-2011, 09:09 AM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
02-15-2011, 09:00 AM #11(02-14-2011, 02:00 PM)DeliveryValve ... But I think the IP is mounted higher and might clear the starter if you use an '85 cali version. ..Oops I just thought about this, by putting the Federal starter on the other side effectively makes it like a Cali version. The solenoid will be upside down.
(02-15-2011, 01:08 AM)dieselboy I'm still sorta unclear of what it is that you are asking.
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There is general consensus that the oil filter housing is in the way. Which you've shown with your pictures. The other issue is whether or not the starter will clear the IP. I think it will, because the IP is mounted slightly higher.
Regarding the oil filter housing, a remote filter will get it out of the way. But I am inclined to keep the stock filter housing. I would be interested in block adapter and hose adapters that will effectively raise the filter housing up so it will clear the starter and still keep a stock look.... That is if I am going to install a 6 speed manual trans or maybe build up a 722.5 overdrive or adapt 722.6......
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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02-15-2011, 09:25 AM
#12
If needed, I could even do an "exotic" top exit plate for the block one, if it's needed to clear the starter. Wouldn't be too hard, just a little more time and stock.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
I'm tooling up to do a run filter adapter plates, would be trivial to add the bypass port as well to keep the stock housing.
If needed, I could even do an "exotic" top exit plate for the block one, if it's needed to clear the starter. Wouldn't be too hard, just a little more time and stock.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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02-15-2011, 09:32 AM
#13
(02-15-2011, 09:25 AM)300D50 I'm tooling up to do a run filter adapter plates, would be trivial to add the bypass port as well to keep the stock housing.
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It really depends on what type of filter your using. If your using something like an Amsoil setup. Then no.. If your using it to remote the stock filter somewhere else. Then yes.
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DeliveryValve
02-15-2011, 09:32 AM #13(02-15-2011, 09:25 AM)300D50 I'm tooling up to do a run filter adapter plates, would be trivial to add the bypass port as well to keep the stock housing.
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It really depends on what type of filter your using. If your using something like an Amsoil setup. Then no.. If your using it to remote the stock filter somewhere else. Then yes.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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02-15-2011, 09:35 AM
#14
(02-15-2011, 09:00 AM)DeliveryValve Regarding the oil filter housing, a remote filter will get it out of the way. But I am inclined to keep the stock filter housing. I would be interested in block adapter and hose adapters that will effectively raise the filter housing up so it will clear the starter and still keep a stock look.... That is if I am going to install a 6 speed manual trans or maybe build up a 722.5 overdrive or adapt 722.6......
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(02-15-2011, 09:00 AM)DeliveryValve Regarding the oil filter housing, a remote filter will get it out of the way. But I am inclined to keep the stock filter housing. I would be interested in block adapter and hose adapters that will effectively raise the filter housing up so it will clear the starter and still keep a stock look.... That is if I am going to install a 6 speed manual trans or maybe build up a 722.5 overdrive or adapt 722.6......
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
02-15-2011, 09:38 AM
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(02-15-2011, 09:35 AM)winmutt ..
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
Oh yeah it will clear. Your not raising it much. The filter housing top will still sit lower then the valve cover. The issue is really is if the block adapter will be thin enough so it will not protrude out to the starter.
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This post was last modified: 02-15-2011, 09:40 AM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
02-15-2011, 09:38 AM #15(02-15-2011, 09:35 AM)winmutt ..
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
Oh yeah it will clear. Your not raising it much. The filter housing top will still sit lower then the valve cover. The issue is really is if the block adapter will be thin enough so it will not protrude out to the starter.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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02-19-2011, 01:14 AM
#16
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
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SurfRodder
02-19-2011, 01:14 AM #16I am definitely interested in this as well... so what you guys are basically talking about doing is pulling the adapter from a gasser to put the starter on the other side to facilitate the newer trans? That would be totally awesome if that worked! I'd def. have no problem ditching the oil tower and going remote if it gave be more gears to grab.
W123 Mods: 4 speed ** manual climate control ** '85 Kalitucky intake ** manual windows & full tint ** Euro headlights retrofit w/bixenon projectors ** 4 brake light mod ** Vogtland 50mm drop front & Lesjofors S600 drop rear springs ** 16" rims ** late w126 brake spindles, rotors & calipers ** full suspension rehab ** Bilstein HDs ** AL129X alternator & 1/0 starter and charging cables ** 300GD clutch/flywheel ** AFCO 80103N radiator & Earl's 41610 oil cooler ** custom block-off plate, remote oil filter & t-stat ** MW IP w/ tomnik's 6.5mm 'Holly' elements **
S124 Mods: 400E Rear subframe ** SL600 Brakes ** Late 300E 210mm diff ** SLK230 6 speed ** 17" CLK rims ** Vented RF Fender ** Facelift Hood, Headlights, and Lower Cladding **
OBK# 62
03-05-2011, 02:29 AM
#19
(03-04-2011, 10:46 AM)winmutt Stagger Lee sent us some pics!
Nice. Looks like it will work.
(02-15-2011, 09:38 AM)DeliveryValve(02-15-2011, 09:35 AM)winmutt ..
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
Oh yeah it will clear. Your not raising it much. The filter housing top will still sit lower then the valve cover. The issue is really is if the block adapter will be thin enough so it will not protrude out to the starter.
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Hey 300D50, you think you can make an adapter that will just raise the filter housing a bit to clear the starter?
Heck I wouldn't mind if the housing is outward a bit also so I can easily reach that damn #5 glow plug!
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This post was last modified: 03-05-2011, 02:34 AM by DeliveryValve.
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DeliveryValve
03-05-2011, 02:29 AM #19(03-04-2011, 10:46 AM)winmutt Stagger Lee sent us some pics!
Nice. Looks like it will work.
(02-15-2011, 09:38 AM)DeliveryValve(02-15-2011, 09:35 AM)winmutt ..
Is there enough room under the hood to raise it that much? What about the 280 starter?
Oh yeah it will clear. Your not raising it much. The filter housing top will still sit lower then the valve cover. The issue is really is if the block adapter will be thin enough so it will not protrude out to the starter.
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Hey 300D50, you think you can make an adapter that will just raise the filter housing a bit to clear the starter?
Heck I wouldn't mind if the housing is outward a bit also so I can easily reach that damn #5 glow plug!
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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03-05-2011, 02:06 PM
#20
The only limiting factors would be vibration causing fatigue in the adapter if the housing is raised up too far.
Just need to know the clearances involved.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Conceptually, yes, I could. Was thinking about it since the discussion started.
The only limiting factors would be vibration causing fatigue in the adapter if the housing is raised up too far.
Just need to know the clearances involved.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
03-05-2011, 04:14 PM
#21
(03-05-2011, 02:06 PM)300D50 Conceptually, yes, I could. Was thinking about it since the discussion started.
The only limiting factors would be vibration causing fatigue in the adapter if the housing is raised up too far.
Just need to know the clearances involved.
Perhaps making it out of mild steel? Yes clearance would have to be determined.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
03-05-2011, 04:14 PM #21(03-05-2011, 02:06 PM)300D50 Conceptually, yes, I could. Was thinking about it since the discussion started.
The only limiting factors would be vibration causing fatigue in the adapter if the housing is raised up too far.
Just need to know the clearances involved.
Perhaps making it out of mild steel? Yes clearance would have to be determined.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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03-05-2011, 06:50 PM
#22
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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Steel is an option, aluminum is easier to work with and doesn't rust. Trade-offs suck...
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04-28-2011, 10:58 PM
#24
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
I just looked under the hood of my 280 only to find the M110 starter in the same spot as the OM617 started. Is there some other factory MB engine plate with a starter hump on the driver side, that could bolt to the OM617? I've heard some of the V8s had a provision for the starter on either or both sides.
-Brian
1983 300TD
1982 240D
1981 280TE
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