6mm pump in testbench Dyno result.
6mm pump in testbench Dyno result.
03-13-2011, 12:58 PM
#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXY6fYnmBU
Pump mounted in car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGl9heZNXo
Hope you enjoy the clip.
This post was last modified: 03-26-2011, 02:57 AM by dieselmeken.
dieselmeken
03-13-2011, 12:58 PM #1Hi, Dieselmeken from Sweden here. A small clip that I did when I tuned up a pump for a 250 TD, the pump has 6 mm element, and 2 setups with delivery valves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXY6fYnmBU
Pump mounted in car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAGl9heZNXo
Hope you enjoy the clip.
03-13-2011, 07:19 PM
#2
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
03-13-2011, 07:19 PM #2Do you tune OM617 pumps too?
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
03-14-2011, 12:37 AM
#3
dieselmeken
03-14-2011, 12:37 AM #3Yes I do, I have one 10 mm pump for 300tdt that puts out a lot of fuel, that one is to powerful and will be replaced by a 6 mm pump next month. Then I have one 617 10 mm for sale.
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
#4
This post was last modified: 03-15-2011, 10:24 AM by jonbobshinigin.
jonbobshinigin
03-14-2011, 02:34 PM #4We are all needing a less expensive alternative to Myna :-) You should talk to Tomnik and get his 7.5mm Floyd elements and build a run of pump for us here in the states and ship them over!
03-14-2011, 04:40 PM
#5
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-14-2011, 04:40 PM #5YES ... PLEASE!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-15-2011, 12:36 AM
#7
(03-14-2011, 12:37 AM)dieselmeken Yes I do, I have one 10 mm pump for 300tdt that puts out a lot of fuel, that one is to powerful and will be replaced by a 6 mm pump next month. Then I have one 617 10 mm for sale.
How much?!
1981 300SD 230k miles "Gently Modified" Daily Driver
1999 F-250 7.3L Power Stroke 150k miles "The Usual Mods" Tow Rig
1981 300SD 190k miles "Heavily Modified"
GONE
DrewGerhan
03-15-2011, 12:36 AM #7(03-14-2011, 12:37 AM)dieselmeken Yes I do, I have one 10 mm pump for 300tdt that puts out a lot of fuel, that one is to powerful and will be replaced by a 6 mm pump next month. Then I have one 617 10 mm for sale.
How much?!
1981 300SD 230k miles "Gently Modified" Daily Driver
1999 F-250 7.3L Power Stroke 150k miles "The Usual Mods" Tow Rig
1981 300SD 190k miles "Heavily Modified"
GONE
03-15-2011, 08:24 PM
#8
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
Diesel-Wiking
03-15-2011, 08:24 PM #8how much for a MW pump with 10mm elements?
*1984 Mercedes S123 300TD turbodiesel*
*1993 BMW 525tdsT*
*1990 BMW 524 turbodiesel*
*1983 BMW 745iA e23*
*1969 BMW 3.0csl racecar*
03-16-2011, 07:19 AM
#9
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
03-16-2011, 07:19 AM #9Impressive, and your english is very good. Please give us more information on your work. Very very interested.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
03-17-2011, 02:55 AM
#10
(03-16-2011, 07:19 AM)George3soccer Impressive, and your english is very good. Please give us more information on your work. Very very interested.
Thank you for your feedback. If you do a search on "dieselmeken" you will find more workmovies on youtube. Also you will se the small dieselpickup that I build in 2001. That one was quite fast.
dieselmeken
03-17-2011, 02:55 AM #10(03-16-2011, 07:19 AM)George3soccer Impressive, and your english is very good. Please give us more information on your work. Very very interested.
Thank you for your feedback. If you do a search on "dieselmeken" you will find more workmovies on youtube. Also you will se the small dieselpickup that I build in 2001. That one was quite fast.
03-17-2011, 04:57 AM
#11
I found your video's on youtube about 3 months ago, very informative.
I would like some more information on modifying the rack for 21mm travel, can you help here? My local Bosch shop is going to swap my 7.5mm elements in, probably this month, once I have finished my alda.
Hugh
Hi DieselMeken,
I found your video's on youtube about 3 months ago, very informative.
I would like some more information on modifying the rack for 21mm travel, can you help here? My local Bosch shop is going to swap my 7.5mm elements in, probably this month, once I have finished my alda.
Hugh
03-17-2011, 07:26 AM
#12
(03-17-2011, 04:57 AM)HughF_UK Hi DieselMeken,
I found your video's on youtube about 3 months ago, very informative.
I would like some more information on modifying the rack for 21mm travel, can you help here? My local Bosch shop is going to swap my 7.5mm elements in, probably this month, once I have finished my alda.
Hugh
If the dieseltech on the workshop know the pump and the RSF governor, he can fix the rack for 19-21 mm without problem.
There is a lot of "knowhow" in this kind of modification, and I am sure he has it.
dieselmeken
03-17-2011, 07:26 AM #12(03-17-2011, 04:57 AM)HughF_UK Hi DieselMeken,
I found your video's on youtube about 3 months ago, very informative.
I would like some more information on modifying the rack for 21mm travel, can you help here? My local Bosch shop is going to swap my 7.5mm elements in, probably this month, once I have finished my alda.
Hugh
If the dieseltech on the workshop know the pump and the RSF governor, he can fix the rack for 19-21 mm without problem.
There is a lot of "knowhow" in this kind of modification, and I am sure he has it.
03-17-2011, 11:15 AM
#13
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Dieselmeken, please check your pm's. We would like to know how much you would charge for larger elements to be installed in a pump and how much the 10mm pump you have would cost.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
03-20-2011, 04:01 AM
#14
dieselmeken
03-20-2011, 04:01 AM #14Next weekend the car with the 6 mm pump is going up in the testbench. I will hopfully bee back with som video and diagram on the power the machine puts out.
03-20-2011, 03:06 PM
#15
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
Spaceraver
03-20-2011, 03:06 PM #15Great. Now I just need to figure out how to ship my pump. Seeing that you are a lot closer to home than Myna.
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
03-21-2011, 07:19 PM
#16
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
03-21-2011, 07:19 PM #16Do you work with chineese elements if we supply them with the pump?
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
03-23-2011, 01:27 AM
#18
(03-21-2011, 10:07 PM)garageI dont work with them for the moment, Is it M or MW you mean? Maybee I can give it a try and see whats happening.(03-21-2011, 07:19 PM)mike-81-240d Do you work with chineese elements if we supply them with the pump?
Ditto
This post was last modified: 03-23-2011, 01:27 AM by dieselmeken.
dieselmeken
03-23-2011, 01:27 AM #18(03-21-2011, 10:07 PM)garageI dont work with them for the moment, Is it M or MW you mean? Maybee I can give it a try and see whats happening.(03-21-2011, 07:19 PM)mike-81-240d Do you work with chineese elements if we supply them with the pump?
Ditto
03-23-2011, 03:01 PM
#19
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
03-23-2011, 03:01 PM #19I'm still looking around for a M pump. I do have an extra MW though but I think I'd rather wait for a M.
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
03-23-2011, 03:55 PM
#20
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-23-2011, 03:55 PM #20I have three MW's. I would rather stay with the MW instead of the M
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-26-2011, 02:59 AM
#22
dieselmeken
03-26-2011, 02:59 AM #22274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.
03-26-2011, 11:48 AM
#23
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
George3soccer
03-26-2011, 11:48 AM #23Very impressive. Do love those numbers.
Mb 1984 w201 om603 swap.
Mb 1986 w201 190E 2.3-16v
Mb 2004 w203 C230k
03-26-2011, 03:21 PM
#25
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
03-26-2011, 03:21 PM #25That is power at the crank or at the wheels?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
03-26-2011, 05:57 PM
#27
(03-26-2011, 03:25 PM)mantaheadBoost, back pressure, dyno graph, any video?(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.hi
what turbo is it running?
This post was last modified: 03-26-2011, 06:04 PM by jeemu.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(03-26-2011, 03:25 PM)mantaheadBoost, back pressure, dyno graph, any video?(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.hi
what turbo is it running?
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
03-26-2011, 05:58 PM
#28
(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.
Very nice resulot with "small" 6mm elements, this is very good alternative for medium tunes who don't want superturbo over 300-400hp powers.
Keep up with the good work.
- MB w126 300SD Superturbo (US) -83, Mods: OM617A with custom head work, Master Power Turbo 802332, PP-Diesel custom 7mm IP, China intercooler, KKD-Motorsport exhaust manifold, DIY intake manifold, Coolmist Waterinjection, DIY Supermeter display/datalog with PLX Wideband Lambda, Siekkinen custom 722.3 autotrans, Elbe Performance LSD, Green Filter cold air intake, straight 3" exhaust with two dual 2.5" outputs
- MB r129 500SL AMG (JDM) -94
Full AMG bodykit, full JDM features, modified ECU and exhaust
- MB w123 250E-TT (JDM) -85
Full 1JZ-GTE twinturbo conversion, full aircon, custom china cooler, custom IC-pipes, custom sport recaro interior, custom 3-piece JDM rims
(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.
Very nice resulot with "small" 6mm elements, this is very good alternative for medium tunes who don't want superturbo over 300-400hp powers.
Keep up with the good work.
- MB w126 300SD Superturbo (US) -83, Mods: OM617A with custom head work, Master Power Turbo 802332, PP-Diesel custom 7mm IP, China intercooler, KKD-Motorsport exhaust manifold, DIY intake manifold, Coolmist Waterinjection, DIY Supermeter display/datalog with PLX Wideband Lambda, Siekkinen custom 722.3 autotrans, Elbe Performance LSD, Green Filter cold air intake, straight 3" exhaust with two dual 2.5" outputs
- MB r129 500SL AMG (JDM) -94
Full AMG bodykit, full JDM features, modified ECU and exhaust
- MB w123 250E-TT (JDM) -85
Full 1JZ-GTE twinturbo conversion, full aircon, custom china cooler, custom IC-pipes, custom sport recaro interior, custom 3-piece JDM rims
03-27-2011, 02:08 AM
#29
(03-26-2011, 05:57 PM)jeemu(03-26-2011, 03:25 PM)mantaheadBoost, back pressure, dyno graph, any video?(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.hi
what turbo is it running?
T04E,58mm in,56mm out 1,7 bar, graph on Monday, Crankshaft power.
dieselmeken
03-27-2011, 02:08 AM #29(03-26-2011, 05:57 PM)jeemu(03-26-2011, 03:25 PM)mantaheadBoost, back pressure, dyno graph, any video?(03-26-2011, 02:59 AM)dieselmeken 274 hp @ 4100rpm 385nm tourqe, not bad for a 5 cyl engine with 6 mm element. Result is scanned and up next week.hi
what turbo is it running?
T04E,58mm in,56mm out 1,7 bar, graph on Monday, Crankshaft power.
03-27-2011, 06:05 AM
#30
If you dont understand Swedish, try google crome and translate, otherwise there is a lot of pictures on the build ther.
Enjoy / Göran
dieselmeken
03-27-2011, 06:05 AM #30Link to the swedish MB forum and the car.
If you dont understand Swedish, try google crome and translate, otherwise there is a lot of pictures on the build ther.
Enjoy / Göran
03-27-2011, 11:30 AM
#32
(03-27-2011, 07:50 AM)winmutt Missing the link
Sorry
http://www.mbsca.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61932
dieselmeken
03-27-2011, 11:30 AM #32(03-27-2011, 07:50 AM)winmutt Missing the link
Sorry
http://www.mbsca.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61932
Spaceraver
03-28-2011, 11:29 AM #33Love that build. Det er et fedt projekt
I wouldn't mind getting an STD..
08-05-2011, 03:36 AM
#37
(08-05-2011, 12:08 AM)tomnik Hi,
some time ago someone calculated 70-75 ccm for about 220 hp on a 5 cylinder.
On a N/A 617 my friend made 95 hp with 54 ccm.
Tom
Dieselmeken got on dyno about 270 hp from 5 cylinder with 124 cc. So for one hp 5*124/270 is about 2.3 cc/hp. So if I have engine with 6 cylinders and target is 450 hp I need 450*2.3/6= 172.5 cc. Boy in diesel shop adjusted my IP for 145 cc. Do I need more fuel?
(08-05-2011, 12:08 AM)tomnik Hi,
some time ago someone calculated 70-75 ccm for about 220 hp on a 5 cylinder.
On a N/A 617 my friend made 95 hp with 54 ccm.
Tom
Dieselmeken got on dyno about 270 hp from 5 cylinder with 124 cc. So for one hp 5*124/270 is about 2.3 cc/hp. So if I have engine with 6 cylinders and target is 450 hp I need 450*2.3/6= 172.5 cc. Boy in diesel shop adjusted my IP for 145 cc. Do I need more fuel?
08-05-2011, 07:54 AM
#38
the question is always if you can (completely) burn the fuel and if it is delivered within a suitable time (to allow almost complete burning).
I am sceptical about the diameter of elements providing 170 ccm within a good time.
Get on the dyno with 145 ccm and see what is the result and what it smokes.
Tom
Hi,
the question is always if you can (completely) burn the fuel and if it is delivered within a suitable time (to allow almost complete burning).
I am sceptical about the diameter of elements providing 170 ccm within a good time.
Get on the dyno with 145 ccm and see what is the result and what it smokes.
Tom
08-14-2011, 04:29 AM
#41
(08-08-2011, 03:33 PM)cleetus Dieselmeken,
have you had a standard om605 electric pump (with 6mm elements) on the bench and found how effective they are???
or is it comparable to the pump in the first clip???
cheers
No, havent tested that yet, but it´s the same racktravel so the results is the same. It´s only the governor that is mechanic insted of EDC.
dieselmeken
08-14-2011, 04:29 AM #41(08-08-2011, 03:33 PM)cleetus Dieselmeken,
have you had a standard om605 electric pump (with 6mm elements) on the bench and found how effective they are???
or is it comparable to the pump in the first clip???
cheers
No, havent tested that yet, but it´s the same racktravel so the results is the same. It´s only the governor that is mechanic insted of EDC.
08-15-2011, 07:23 AM
#43
(08-14-2011, 02:32 PM)cleetus Thanks for that
So were the elements just standard un modified elements with the flow adjusted
or were they modified
What i am trying to ask is can you get the extra flow with the standard 6mm elements in an electronic pump???
regards
No, no extra flow, then you need bigger plungers. With modification of the deliveryvalve however, ther is some extra fuel to get, but that also gets alot of trouble with the ECU in the car, ruff idle, EDC lamp on, limphome etc etc That is not what you want.
dieselmeken
08-15-2011, 07:23 AM #43(08-14-2011, 02:32 PM)cleetus Thanks for that
So were the elements just standard un modified elements with the flow adjusted
or were they modified
What i am trying to ask is can you get the extra flow with the standard 6mm elements in an electronic pump???
regards
No, no extra flow, then you need bigger plungers. With modification of the deliveryvalve however, ther is some extra fuel to get, but that also gets alot of trouble with the ECU in the car, ruff idle, EDC lamp on, limphome etc etc That is not what you want.
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