STD Tuning Engine 1969 220D (added Turbo) vacuum governor problem

1969 220D (added Turbo) vacuum governor problem

1969 220D (added Turbo) vacuum governor problem

 
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Larkston
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03-15-2011, 05:08 PM #1
So, I decided my car was underpowered and thought that adding a turbo would be a good idea. I added a T3 turbo, I think, from a 300D, not to sure of the exact year of the turbo. I did all the mods I thought it needed and have discovered a very big problem. When the engine gets to somewhere around 3000 rpms, 220Ds don't have tachometers, the turbo boost causes there to be no back pressure, so the car continues to accelerate when I let off the pedal, and I have to kill the engine to stop it from running away. I've tried a couple of ideas to get the vacuum governor to work right at high rpms, but nothing seems to work. Oh, and it works properly at low rpms, its just when the boost really gets going that it won't stop accelerating. So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?
This post was last modified: 03-15-2011, 05:12 PM by Larkston.

1969 220D Turbo
Larkston
03-15-2011, 05:08 PM #1

So, I decided my car was underpowered and thought that adding a turbo would be a good idea. I added a T3 turbo, I think, from a 300D, not to sure of the exact year of the turbo. I did all the mods I thought it needed and have discovered a very big problem. When the engine gets to somewhere around 3000 rpms, 220Ds don't have tachometers, the turbo boost causes there to be no back pressure, so the car continues to accelerate when I let off the pedal, and I have to kill the engine to stop it from running away. I've tried a couple of ideas to get the vacuum governor to work right at high rpms, but nothing seems to work. Oh, and it works properly at low rpms, its just when the boost really gets going that it won't stop accelerating. So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?


1969 220D Turbo

Jtn190D
MERCEDES DIESEL POWER!

192
03-15-2011, 08:34 PM #2
Boost controller set at low boost
Jtn190D
03-15-2011, 08:34 PM #2

Boost controller set at low boost

E300TSC
Turbo-Supercharged

321
03-15-2011, 08:34 PM #3
Now that's an interesting problem... Smile Does this engine have a throttle plate? Is the turbo before or after the plate in the intake system? If it's after, do you think that sampling vacuum between the plate and the turbo is possible?

If the plate is after the turbo, I don't think you have a chance.

1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.

2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.
E300TSC
03-15-2011, 08:34 PM #3

Now that's an interesting problem... Smile Does this engine have a throttle plate? Is the turbo before or after the plate in the intake system? If it's after, do you think that sampling vacuum between the plate and the turbo is possible?

If the plate is after the turbo, I don't think you have a chance.


1998 MB E300 - 194,000 miles. Current/future mods: 7.5mm pump elements, Holset HX40 Turbo feeding Eaton M90 supercharger through custom fabbed intake system. Aeroturbine muffler, scratch-built 4" stainless exhaust. EGR eliminated, ECM recalibrated, modified rack position feedback circuit. Porterfield RS brake pads, Bilstein sport shocks, VDO EGT, oil and boost gauges.

2000 Ford F250 - 150,000 miles. Current/future mods: DP Tuner 3 map chip, scratch-built high flow intake, high output IDM, open circuit fuel system, ball bearing turbo, South Bend full metal clutch, slotted and drilled rotors. Autometer Sport Comp EGT and boost gauges.

Larkston
Naturally-aspirated

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03-15-2011, 08:43 PM #4
(03-15-2011, 08:34 PM)E300TSC Now that's an interesting problem... Smile Does this engine have a throttle plate? Is the turbo before or after the plate in the intake system? If it's after, do you think that sampling vacuum between the plate and the turbo is possible?

If the plate is after the turbo, I don't think you have a chance.

The plate is after the turbo...I've tried a couple of odd fixes, but even when I let off the gas and the plate closes, the boost at the higher rpms is preventing vacuum from being created. The thing is though, that I have heard of other people turbocharging 220Ds without a problem like mine.

1969 220D Turbo
Larkston
03-15-2011, 08:43 PM #4

(03-15-2011, 08:34 PM)E300TSC Now that's an interesting problem... Smile Does this engine have a throttle plate? Is the turbo before or after the plate in the intake system? If it's after, do you think that sampling vacuum between the plate and the turbo is possible?

If the plate is after the turbo, I don't think you have a chance.

The plate is after the turbo...I've tried a couple of odd fixes, but even when I let off the gas and the plate closes, the boost at the higher rpms is preventing vacuum from being created. The thing is though, that I have heard of other people turbocharging 220Ds without a problem like mine.


1969 220D Turbo

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
03-15-2011, 08:49 PM #5
(03-15-2011, 05:08 PM)Larkston So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?
Put the throttle at the turbo inlet.
ForcedInduction
03-15-2011, 08:49 PM #5

(03-15-2011, 05:08 PM)Larkston So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?
Put the throttle at the turbo inlet.

Larkston
Naturally-aspirated

3
03-15-2011, 08:58 PM #6
(03-15-2011, 08:49 PM)ForcedInduction
(03-15-2011, 05:08 PM)Larkston So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?
Put the throttle at the turbo inlet.
Hmmm, that sounds like it should work. Great idea, thanks.

1969 220D Turbo
Larkston
03-15-2011, 08:58 PM #6

(03-15-2011, 08:49 PM)ForcedInduction
(03-15-2011, 05:08 PM)Larkston So, anyone have thoughts on how to remedy the problem?
Put the throttle at the turbo inlet.
Hmmm, that sounds like it should work. Great idea, thanks.


1969 220D Turbo

ForcedInduction
Banned

3,628
03-15-2011, 09:14 PM #7
The Rayjay turbo kit showing how they relocate.
This post was last modified: 03-15-2011, 09:15 PM by ForcedInduction.
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ForcedInduction
03-15-2011, 09:14 PM #7

The Rayjay turbo kit showing how they relocate.

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willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
03-16-2011, 10:11 AM #8
^ ditto

I have the rajay it on my 1980 240d and had to gut the throttle body's to make it work with the newer style injection pump!

if you want more detailed pics check out my 240 turbo thread http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/old-...t-447.html
This post was last modified: 03-16-2011, 10:14 AM by willbhere4u.

1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
03-16-2011, 10:11 AM #8

^ ditto

I have the rajay it on my 1980 240d and had to gut the throttle body's to make it work with the newer style injection pump!

if you want more detailed pics check out my 240 turbo thread http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/old-...t-447.html


1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running

 
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