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04-02-2011, 04:06 PM
#2
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-02-2011, 04:06 PM #2Nope. I think a 123 class would be dope!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
04-02-2011, 05:44 PM
#4
An underbelly would help a lot too
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-02-2011, 05:44 PM #4If your worried about rigidity, weld some tubes down the bitch.
An underbelly would help a lot too
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
04-02-2011, 05:51 PM
#5
Ed
yankneck696
04-02-2011, 05:51 PM #5The Beetle (being a former owner of 2 & 2 "kit"cars) is real light, the weight is in the rear. Air shocks & different tires & run the snot out of it. There are dozens of other reasons, like having a pretty flat bottom with little to damage, no radiator to leak, good power to weight ratio, small size, decent clearance for it's wheelbase & GREAT MPGs.
Ed
04-02-2011, 06:04 PM
#6
I think just skidplates covering up all the vitals would do??
I had a 79 "baja" bug at one point, didnt do much more than mudding with it but it was fun.
You can make a w123 "light", gotta gut everything, and only keep whats needed, keep it simple..
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
Oh the car would defo have some rigidity, from a full cage of course, not to mention welding together all the seams on the body and whatnot.
I think just skidplates covering up all the vitals would do??
I had a 79 "baja" bug at one point, didnt do much more than mudding with it but it was fun.
You can make a w123 "light", gotta gut everything, and only keep whats needed, keep it simple..
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
04-02-2011, 08:42 PM
#7
This post was last modified: 04-02-2011, 08:43 PM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
04-02-2011, 08:42 PM
#7
The heavy weight up front and lack of 4x4 would make it sink into the sand. You'd spend a fortune in tires and building a one-off suspension to finish.
04-02-2011, 08:48 PM
#8
(04-02-2011, 08:42 PM)ForcedInduction The heavy weight up front and lack of 4x4 would make it sink into the sand. You'd spend a fortune in tires and building a one-off suspension to finish.
Theres LOTS of vehicles that compete in the Baja races that are 2wd
Well building the car is the fun of it, so a total suspension overhaul would be part of the plan of course. Along with complete strip down of chassis and redoing everything you can to possibly make it worthy of that kinda punishment.
As far as the weight with the heavy diesel engine, a race shop could shave down the block and head on areas that can handle it.
You could also shave down a 4cyl to save weight, get oil squirters for the pistons machined into it, and install a turbo.
Spending a fortune is part of racing(usually) i dont have a fortune, so this is only a dream..but one i hope to actually take on.
This post was last modified: 04-02-2011, 08:49 PM by garage.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(04-02-2011, 08:42 PM)ForcedInduction The heavy weight up front and lack of 4x4 would make it sink into the sand. You'd spend a fortune in tires and building a one-off suspension to finish.
Theres LOTS of vehicles that compete in the Baja races that are 2wd
Well building the car is the fun of it, so a total suspension overhaul would be part of the plan of course. Along with complete strip down of chassis and redoing everything you can to possibly make it worthy of that kinda punishment.
As far as the weight with the heavy diesel engine, a race shop could shave down the block and head on areas that can handle it.
You could also shave down a 4cyl to save weight, get oil squirters for the pistons machined into it, and install a turbo.
Spending a fortune is part of racing(usually) i dont have a fortune, so this is only a dream..but one i hope to actually take on.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
04-03-2011, 01:34 AM
#9
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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I wouldn't take material off a 617 block... but that's just me. Would be OK for a one-off, but likely would cause issues latter on.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
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04-03-2011, 11:12 AM
#10
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Lol my car did fine in the sand. It's 90% driver anyways. I'm doing the 240d once this explorer is out of my yard.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
04-03-2011, 11:44 AM
#11
(04-03-2011, 01:34 AM)300D50 I wouldn't take material off a 617 block... but that's just me. Would be OK for a one-off, but likely would cause issues latter on.
Hmm, you think it would be that big of a deal causing problems? There has to be some areas that could be machined down some what, without comprimising the integrity of it all.
(04-03-2011, 11:12 AM)dieselboy Lol my car did fine in the sand. It's 90% driver anyways. I'm doing the 240d once this explorer is out of my yard.
I drove your 240D through some deep sand and silt on multiple occasions, never dunes or anything, but she loved it! The cars are heavy...but not THAT heavy.
I CANT WAIT to see what you do with the 240...
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(04-03-2011, 01:34 AM)300D50 I wouldn't take material off a 617 block... but that's just me. Would be OK for a one-off, but likely would cause issues latter on.
Hmm, you think it would be that big of a deal causing problems? There has to be some areas that could be machined down some what, without comprimising the integrity of it all.
(04-03-2011, 11:12 AM)dieselboy Lol my car did fine in the sand. It's 90% driver anyways. I'm doing the 240d once this explorer is out of my yard.
I drove your 240D through some deep sand and silt on multiple occasions, never dunes or anything, but she loved it! The cars are heavy...but not THAT heavy.
I CANT WAIT to see what you do with the 240...
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
04-03-2011, 04:08 PM
#12
It also depends on what's removed, if you just take a grinder and flap disc to the AC mounting bosses, you'll likely be ok.
Then again, these things are over-engineered to the point you can push a few hundred more HP out of them with minimal ill effects, so there is overhead.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Longevity is the main concern, removal of material can, and does, weaken the block. Not saying it would die after 40K miles, but it might not live to 600K.
It also depends on what's removed, if you just take a grinder and flap disc to the AC mounting bosses, you'll likely be ok.
Then again, these things are over-engineered to the point you can push a few hundred more HP out of them with minimal ill effects, so there is overhead.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
04-03-2011, 06:14 PM
#14
(04-03-2011, 04:08 PM)300D50 Longevity is the main concern, removal of material can, and does, weaken the block. Not saying it would die after 40K miles, but it might not live to 600K.
It also depends on what's removed, if you just take a grinder and flap disc to the AC mounting bosses, you'll likely be ok.
Then again, these things are over-engineered to the point you can push a few hundred more HP out of them with minimal ill effects, so there is overhead.
I agree, you are right saying they are over-engineered and that alone gives overhead with the increase in power and what not.
And your also right about it not lasting till 600k like these cars usually will do, but if your building an all out race car for desert racing it might not be such a bad idea. At least while these engines are a dime-a-dozen at the yards right now.
Does anyone have any clue as to how much (estimate) a shop would charge to shave down a block for weight?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
(04-03-2011, 04:08 PM)300D50 Longevity is the main concern, removal of material can, and does, weaken the block. Not saying it would die after 40K miles, but it might not live to 600K.
It also depends on what's removed, if you just take a grinder and flap disc to the AC mounting bosses, you'll likely be ok.
Then again, these things are over-engineered to the point you can push a few hundred more HP out of them with minimal ill effects, so there is overhead.
I agree, you are right saying they are over-engineered and that alone gives overhead with the increase in power and what not.
And your also right about it not lasting till 600k like these cars usually will do, but if your building an all out race car for desert racing it might not be such a bad idea. At least while these engines are a dime-a-dozen at the yards right now.
Does anyone have any clue as to how much (estimate) a shop would charge to shave down a block for weight?
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
04-03-2011, 06:34 PM
#15
One thing is you'll have to find areas where the coolant passages aren't close to the surface.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Yeah, like I said, for a custom one-off, it's perfectly fine.
One thing is you'll have to find areas where the coolant passages aren't close to the surface.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
04-03-2011, 08:08 PM
#16
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-03-2011, 08:08 PM #16I haven't found the cars to sink too bad. The rear independent suspension really helps with traction over a straight axle.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
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