propigskin wagon springs in my 300D sedan?
propigskin wagon springs in my 300D sedan?
04-03-2011, 09:17 AM
#1
(I think stan did this too)
I still have them, and the rear suspension on my 84 300D is pretty tired with more than 2 people in it and id like to beef it up vs put the same type of spring in. The propig springs are almost the same diameter as a stock spring (right), but about an 8th bigger in width, and missing about 75% of a coil compared to the standard 300D springs.
If I put them in, im really curious how the sedan would sit, how far does the standard spring compress when installed? Will these thicker springs compress less and give me an overall similar ride height but with a stiffer suspension?
Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
Any thoughts?
The two compared, propig on the left, standard replacement spring on the right
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
I bought a set of these a while back, then got rid of the wagon.
(I think stan did this too)
I still have them, and the rear suspension on my 84 300D is pretty tired with more than 2 people in it and id like to beef it up vs put the same type of spring in. The propig springs are almost the same diameter as a stock spring (right), but about an 8th bigger in width, and missing about 75% of a coil compared to the standard 300D springs.
If I put them in, im really curious how the sedan would sit, how far does the standard spring compress when installed? Will these thicker springs compress less and give me an overall similar ride height but with a stiffer suspension?
Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
Any thoughts?
The two compared, propig on the left, standard replacement spring on the right
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
04-05-2011, 07:01 AM
#4
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
04-13-2011, 07:09 AM
#5
(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
05-26-2011, 07:20 PM
#6
(04-13-2011, 07:09 AM)dropnoskyI'll take pics of the lugs if you measure the stock wagon rear springs!(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
(04-13-2011, 07:09 AM)dropnoskyI'll take pics of the lugs if you measure the stock wagon rear springs!(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
2005 CDI heavily modified 1984 300TD - Myna pump/TMIC/enlarged PC's/HX30Super/W126 II front brakes/Vogtland springs/EGT +Boost gauges/H4 Hella's
05-27-2011, 02:21 AM
#7
(04-03-2011, 09:17 AM)dropnosky Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles.
I am curious to see how the springs work out in your sedan! I would guess that your the vehicles ride height, hauling capabilities and cornering will improve. However, you might have a slightly rougher ride, but we will see. Let me know!
propigskinSLS
05-27-2011, 02:21 AM #7(04-03-2011, 09:17 AM)dropnosky Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles.
I am curious to see how the springs work out in your sedan! I would guess that your the vehicles ride height, hauling capabilities and cornering will improve. However, you might have a slightly rougher ride, but we will see. Let me know!
05-27-2011, 06:55 AM
#8
(05-26-2011, 07:20 PM)MTUPower(04-13-2011, 07:09 AM)dropnoskyI'll take pics of the lugs if you measure the stock wagon rear springs!(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
2 weeks later, sorryI make the stock springs at 15 and 3/8ths tall
the Propig's at 14 and a quarter
(05-27-2011, 02:21 AM)propigskinSLS(04-03-2011, 09:17 AM)dropnosky Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles.
I am curious to see how the springs work out in your sedan! I would guess that your the vehicles ride height, hauling capabilities and cornering will improve. However, you might have a slightly rougher ride, but we will see. Let me know!
cool, Ill try it out as it stands
This post was last modified: 05-27-2011, 06:55 AM by JB3.
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(05-26-2011, 07:20 PM)MTUPower(04-13-2011, 07:09 AM)dropnoskyI'll take pics of the lugs if you measure the stock wagon rear springs!(04-05-2011, 07:01 AM)MTUPower What is the overall height of the wagon rear spring? I have a set of NOS rear vogtland springs in my garage- never installed as I have a wagon. Thinking I may install them on the wagon if the difference is not big.
ill get this info for you on thursday when I get back to my house, sorry about the delay, missed this response
What I don't know is the height of a normal wagon spring, from the pics on propigs site, a wagon seems to sit up pretty nicely on these length springs
2 weeks later, sorryI make the stock springs at 15 and 3/8ths tall
the Propig's at 14 and a quarter
(05-27-2011, 02:21 AM)propigskinSLS(04-03-2011, 09:17 AM)dropnosky Im also not overly happy with the top part of the spring, I feel like that will cut through the rubber spring seat pretty quick, even with that piece of hose. Im thinking about making some kind of steel ring the the spring notches into, then sits more evenly into the rubber cup.
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles.
I am curious to see how the springs work out in your sedan! I would guess that your the vehicles ride height, hauling capabilities and cornering will improve. However, you might have a slightly rougher ride, but we will see. Let me know!
cool, Ill try it out as it stands
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
05-27-2011, 02:30 PM
#9
(05-27-2011, 02:21 AM)propigskinSLS ....
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles....
Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
05-27-2011, 02:30 PM #9(05-27-2011, 02:21 AM)propigskinSLS ....
The hose should allow the spring to have some cushion between the rubber spring cup isolator. The hose is also a heavy duty rubber with steel liner (similar to a hydraulic hose). I've never had any complaints in regards to worn isolators from any customers who have used the springs or in my own vehicles....
Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
06-12-2011, 05:37 AM
#10
Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
propigskinSLS
06-12-2011, 05:37 AM #10
Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
05-06-2014, 04:39 PM
#11
(06-12-2011, 05:37 AM)propigskinSLS Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
Your car (sedan) will definitely be jacked up in the rear ....
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(06-12-2011, 05:37 AM)propigskinSLS Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
Your car (sedan) will definitely be jacked up in the rear ....
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
05-06-2014, 04:53 PM
#12
(05-06-2014, 04:39 PM)Greazzer(06-12-2011, 05:37 AM)propigskinSLS Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
Your car (sedan) will definitely be jacked up in the rear ....
The springs I was mentioning are progressive type springs, not Propigskin springs, factory part number 123 324 35 04.
These type of springs will not jack up the rear. But as in your case, the Propigskin springs will!
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
05-06-2014, 04:53 PM #12(05-06-2014, 04:39 PM)Greazzer(06-12-2011, 05:37 AM)propigskinSLS Do you sell this hose? If so, how much? I have a set of progressive springs that I need to get new hose ends.
Yes-
I can sell the steel lined hose piece that fits my springs. They are approx 4 inches long. Shoot me an email from my website. $12 shipped...I can accept paypal.
-Erik
Your car (sedan) will definitely be jacked up in the rear ....
The springs I was mentioning are progressive type springs, not Propigskin springs, factory part number 123 324 35 04.
These type of springs will not jack up the rear. But as in your case, the Propigskin springs will!
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
06-03-2014, 09:40 PM
#13
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
Thinking hard about getting propigs for my w123. A friend of mine has a sagging w126 300SD. Will w123 spring work in it?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
06-04-2014, 04:47 AM
#14
Incredibly firm rear end ... lol ... when cornering.
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Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
I put these in my W123 and I love them. You cannot use the Wagon height springs. HOWEVER, I would only cut 1/2 coil if you have the wagon springs. The sedan height should be around 13 1/4". You can always tinker with pad thickness. You can still go with an entire coil cut, but use 19mm pads. It will not be a low rider, but I was too picky about the look, so that is why I went with an additional inch.
Incredibly firm rear end ... lol ... when cornering.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
06-27-2014, 11:37 AM
#15
(06-04-2014, 04:47 AM)Greazzer I put these in my W123 and I love them. You cannot use the Wagon height springs. HOWEVER, I would only cut 1/2 coil if you have the wagon springs. The sedan height should be around 13 1/4". You can always tinker with pad thickness. You can still go with an entire coil cut, but use 19mm pads. It will not be a low rider, but I was too picky about the look, so that is why I went with an additional inch.
Incredibly firm rear end ... lol ... when cornering.
Thanks!
I am now offering these HD performance springs for the various w123's on my site at www.slsconversion.com
thanks,
propigskin
propigskinSLS
06-27-2014, 11:37 AM #15(06-04-2014, 04:47 AM)Greazzer I put these in my W123 and I love them. You cannot use the Wagon height springs. HOWEVER, I would only cut 1/2 coil if you have the wagon springs. The sedan height should be around 13 1/4". You can always tinker with pad thickness. You can still go with an entire coil cut, but use 19mm pads. It will not be a low rider, but I was too picky about the look, so that is why I went with an additional inch.
Incredibly firm rear end ... lol ... when cornering.
Thanks!
I am now offering these HD performance springs for the various w123's on my site at www.slsconversion.com
thanks,
propigskin
09-18-2014, 01:03 PM
#16
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Just an update on the beefier springs. Still going strong. One of the better mods I have done. Looking for the 15mm rear sway (torsion) bar now.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
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