"pumps"
"pumps"
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
makin' smoke
04-13-2011, 10:36 AM #1Hello all om617 tuners. I'm a new member, been following for some time. I appreciate what STD has offered us all and the great advise and tech info fellow users have given. I posted this thread for a little more basics info and maybe some technical data or spec on injection pumps for the 617 motors. I have both an M and a WM pump on hand. I've read as much as I can without going cross eyed. I haven't found any talk about what is stock. What size elements? Is there a way to identify what's in your pump by part number?(If any) Is there pumps that are better than others?
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
617 N/A came mainly with M pump, some early (if not only W115) came with MW N/A pump.
The element diameter is indicated in the part number PES (number of cylinders) M (or MW) XY . The XY (i.e. 55) stands for 5.5mm elements.
Only 200D has 5.0mm, 220-300 D has 5.5mm and some newer models have 6.0mm.
Which one is better depends on what you want.
The MW might be better in sense of more expensive technically, made for higher pressures.
For the M there are more/better options for larger elements but there was never a 5 cyl. M with turbo governor.
Tom
(04-13-2011, 10:36 AM)makin smoke Hello all om617 tuners. I'm a new member, been following for some time. I appreciate what STD has offered us all and the great advise and tech info fellow users have given. I posted this thread for a little more basics info and maybe some technical data or spec on injection pumps for the 617 motors. I have both an M and a WM pump on hand. I've read as much as I can without going cross eyed. I haven't found any talk about what is stock. What size elements? Is there a way to identify what's in your pump by part number?(If any) Is there pumps that are better than others?
617 turbos came with MW pump only.
617 N/A came mainly with M pump, some early (if not only W115) came with MW N/A pump.
The element diameter is indicated in the part number PES (number of cylinders) M (or MW) XY . The XY (i.e. 55) stands for 5.5mm elements.
Only 200D has 5.0mm, 220-300 D has 5.5mm and some newer models have 6.0mm.
Which one is better depends on what you want.
The MW might be better in sense of more expensive technically, made for higher pressures.
For the M there are more/better options for larger elements but there was never a 5 cyl. M with turbo governor.
Tom
(04-13-2011, 10:36 AM)makin smoke Hello all om617 tuners. I'm a new member, been following for some time. I appreciate what STD has offered us all and the great advise and tech info fellow users have given. I posted this thread for a little more basics info and maybe some technical data or spec on injection pumps for the 617 motors. I have both an M and a WM pump on hand. I've read as much as I can without going cross eyed. I haven't found any talk about what is stock. What size elements? Is there a way to identify what's in your pump by part number?(If any) Is there pumps that are better than others?
If I decided to use an M pump, does it need to be modified(element size) to be used with stock or slightly larger turbo? Or just adjust full load/ remove rack limiter. Will 5's or 5.5's be worth the swap? I see it as an advantage to have fuel on demand rather than waiting for boost to signal alda to move the rack. I apologize if I sound too basic or repetitive, I plan on starting with basics, understanding componentry and going through a progression of mods as I've read you guys have.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
makin' smoke
04-13-2011, 02:39 PM #3That's exactly what I was asking for. Thank You tomnik.
If I decided to use an M pump, does it need to be modified(element size) to be used with stock or slightly larger turbo? Or just adjust full load/ remove rack limiter. Will 5's or 5.5's be worth the swap? I see it as an advantage to have fuel on demand rather than waiting for boost to signal alda to move the rack. I apologize if I sound too basic or repetitive, I plan on starting with basics, understanding componentry and going through a progression of mods as I've read you guys have.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
In the states we didn't get the M pump except on imported euro cars. You should come to the meet this weekend and we will learn ya.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
makin' smoke
04-13-2011, 03:04 PM #5I'm there! Just tell me where and when.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
Where The Eff do you live man? I'm probly right around the corner from ya.!
Yeah take a look at the events thread http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...std-meetup Stan, Garage, and I are heading down to Diesel Boys' house on Saturday
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-13-2011, 03:20 PM #6Makin'
Where The Eff do you live man? I'm probly right around the corner from ya.!
Yeah take a look at the events thread http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...std-meetup Stan, Garage, and I are heading down to Diesel Boys' house on Saturday
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
makin' smoke
04-13-2011, 03:29 PM #7Reche canyon area, north moreno valley.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
Back on topic.
If you want instant fuel, remove the ADLA. It makes an enormous difference in off the line accel.... When mine was on it was a dog, after removal, I can do burnouts, build 6-7lbs of boost power braking, surprise people haha
I can stop by if you want any help!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-13-2011, 03:57 PM #8Oh sweet. I ride through there pretty often. It's on my way home from work. You should come to the meet this weekend if you can! Diesel Boy will PM you his address... We are all gonna drive out together..
Back on topic.
If you want instant fuel, remove the ADLA. It makes an enormous difference in off the line accel.... When mine was on it was a dog, after removal, I can do burnouts, build 6-7lbs of boost power braking, surprise people haha
I can stop by if you want any help!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
makin' smoke
04-13-2011, 04:11 PM #9Sounds like that's what's next on the 83'! I have the head at the shop right now gettin' a grind job. Which brings up a good point, I found a private machine shop in Redlands. He does all Gale banks personal machine work. We'll see how my head turns out. It might be the spot.
83' 300SD tuning begins soon.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 5.9l Cummins
Superchips programmer, S&B intake, 5" straight pipe, 8" Sky jacket lift and 37" Toyota muds.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-13-2011, 04:59 PM #10Oooooo Nice! Are they doing any porting or anything to help flow? What are they charging for the work?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
04-13-2011, 07:02 PM #11I demand full size pics of the car in your avatar..... Me likey
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
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