alda and turbo adjustments
alda and turbo adjustments
04-08-2011, 01:08 PM
#1
1 amusing the banjo and all alda lines are functioning properly what is the proper way to tune it
2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
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om617a or 82 300d I am getting ready to do some super spring tuning valves, turbo, alda and I have read so much about alda tuning well I figured I would post and see if I can get the real truth here some say remove it totally others say 1/4 turn ccw till black smoke appears then cw just a bit
1 amusing the banjo and all alda lines are functioning properly what is the proper way to tune it
2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
I am selling a custom set of valve adjustment wrenches for the 0m617
this kit comes with 2 wrenches 2 feeler gauges and a instructional manual
49.99 if interested email me I take paypal
http://www.dieselbombers.com/members/dec...nches.html
04-09-2011, 11:45 AM
#3
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
04-09-2011, 11:45 AM #3I usually max the adjustment on the ALDA loosen the nut and turn the screw out ccw until it stops don't force it any more and then cw an 1/8turn and lock the nut back in if it smoke to much at idle turn it cw until your happy with the smoke!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
04-12-2011, 03:26 PM
#4
In my case, I didn't see any smoke so I completely removed the ALDA and that is when I got a nice little puff.
I think every pump and engine is a little different, especially after the kind of miles, operating conditions, and care these engines see...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-12-2011, 03:26 PM #4Yes you want to back the screw out until you see smoke when revving WOT in park or neutral.
In my case, I didn't see any smoke so I completely removed the ALDA and that is when I got a nice little puff.
I think every pump and engine is a little different, especially after the kind of miles, operating conditions, and care these engines see...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
04-12-2011, 04:01 PM
#5
(04-08-2011, 01:08 PM)eck60 2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
It's called a boost controller. Course on the KKK you just adjust it directly since it's easy.
(04-08-2011, 01:08 PM)eck60 2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
It's called a boost controller. Course on the KKK you just adjust it directly since it's easy.
04-13-2011, 04:42 AM
#6
(04-12-2011, 04:01 PM)aaaThe KKK has an adjustable wastegate actuator, but in a 123 there iave an it`s not so easy to adjust it because of the lack of space against the frame.(04-08-2011, 01:08 PM)eck60 2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
It's called a boost controller. Course on the KKK you just adjust it directly since it's easy.
The Garret dont have an adjustment.
(04-12-2011, 04:01 PM)aaaThe KKK has an adjustable wastegate actuator, but in a 123 there iave an it`s not so easy to adjust it because of the lack of space against the frame.(04-08-2011, 01:08 PM)eck60 2 the turbo kkk and garret I have one of each about 14.5 psi boost should be a safe max I have also heard that you can put in a valve on the waste gate line to restrict flow to tune the psi any one heard of this
It's called a boost controller. Course on the KKK you just adjust it directly since it's easy.
The Garret dont have an adjustment.
04-13-2011, 10:42 AM
#7
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-13-2011, 10:42 AM #7The Garrett DOES have an adjustment, you just have to disassemble it, which is a PITA.... It is much easier to just add a controller in-line...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
04-18-2011, 01:02 PM
#8
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Is your linkage hitting max stop? That should always be step 1 before messing with alda etc. X2 on getting the external boost controller for the garrett.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
05-26-2011, 04:12 AM
#10
maxed out ALDA + full boost without black smoke means that the full load adjustment is too lean.
Theoretically the correct way is:
Simulate full boost on ALDA, ALDA adjustment maxed out. In case the ALDA is not leaking, pressurise it at 1.1 bar and keep the pressure.
Then test drive and check for black smoke at WOT.
Adjust max. delivery with full load adjustment until only a bit of black smoke is visible.
Connect every thing correctly and reduce ALDA a bit.
Done like that you should get the complete range of ALDA operation with max delivery (WOT and full ALDA enrichment) without (too much of) black smoke.
Carlos: How is the pump going performance wise?
Tom
Hi,
maxed out ALDA + full boost without black smoke means that the full load adjustment is too lean.
Theoretically the correct way is:
Simulate full boost on ALDA, ALDA adjustment maxed out. In case the ALDA is not leaking, pressurise it at 1.1 bar and keep the pressure.
Then test drive and check for black smoke at WOT.
Adjust max. delivery with full load adjustment until only a bit of black smoke is visible.
Connect every thing correctly and reduce ALDA a bit.
Done like that you should get the complete range of ALDA operation with max delivery (WOT and full ALDA enrichment) without (too much of) black smoke.
Carlos: How is the pump going performance wise?
Tom
05-27-2011, 01:16 AM
#11
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
05-27-2011, 01:16 AM #11Guess mine is a lean tune pump haha
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
05-27-2011, 10:46 PM
#12
(04-18-2011, 01:02 PM)winmutt Is your linkage hitting max stop? That should always be step 1 before messing with alda etc. X2 on getting the external boost controller for the garrett.
I noticed how an adjustment screw limits throttle movement...is this some sort of governor?
seems like this screw will limit WOT.
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
(04-18-2011, 01:02 PM)winmutt Is your linkage hitting max stop? That should always be step 1 before messing with alda etc. X2 on getting the external boost controller for the garrett.
I noticed how an adjustment screw limits throttle movement...is this some sort of governor?
seems like this screw will limit WOT.
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
05-28-2011, 02:28 PM
#13
(05-27-2011, 10:46 PM)mr_manny(04-18-2011, 01:02 PM)winmutt Is your linkage hitting max stop? That should always be step 1 before messing with alda etc. X2 on getting the external boost controller for the garrett.
I noticed how an adjustment screw limits throttle movement...is this some sort of governor?
seems like this screw will limit WOT.
FI said that if you adjust that, the linkage will bind up inside the pump.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
05-28-2011, 02:28 PM #13(05-27-2011, 10:46 PM)mr_manny(04-18-2011, 01:02 PM)winmutt Is your linkage hitting max stop? That should always be step 1 before messing with alda etc. X2 on getting the external boost controller for the garrett.
I noticed how an adjustment screw limits throttle movement...is this some sort of governor?
seems like this screw will limit WOT.
FI said that if you adjust that, the linkage will bind up inside the pump.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
05-28-2011, 04:42 PM
#14
Ed
yankneck696
05-28-2011, 04:42 PM #14IN would say to wait for the new tutorial of how to adjust your pump. Please don't beg for it, the person getting it together should allow for better power than FI did.
Ed
05-30-2011, 03:47 AM
#16
(05-29-2011, 01:50 AM)Hercules May be just luck!!! Turned throttle stop in up to three turns ,on 35 or more pumps with out any binding,will need to readj. vac. control to trans. Always recheck to be sure all is ok.
Improvements?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
05-30-2011, 03:47 AM #16(05-29-2011, 01:50 AM)Hercules May be just luck!!! Turned throttle stop in up to three turns ,on 35 or more pumps with out any binding,will need to readj. vac. control to trans. Always recheck to be sure all is ok.
Improvements?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
05-31-2011, 01:09 AM
#18
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
05-31-2011, 01:09 AM #18hmmmmmm...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
05-31-2011, 10:30 PM
#19
I have a spare IP sittin on the bench, so I pulled the side cover off and cycled the throttle movement a few times before making any adjustments.
Turned the throttle stop, a 1/2 turn at a time...cycling the throttle a few times during each adjustment.
I got a good 2 1/2 turns before It seemed to sense the slightest sort of lazy-return in the throttle linkage.
hth,
manny
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
I know this isn't scientific:
I have a spare IP sittin on the bench, so I pulled the side cover off and cycled the throttle movement a few times before making any adjustments.
Turned the throttle stop, a 1/2 turn at a time...cycling the throttle a few times during each adjustment.
I got a good 2 1/2 turns before It seemed to sense the slightest sort of lazy-return in the throttle linkage.
hth,
manny
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
06-01-2011, 12:46 AM
#20
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-01-2011, 12:46 AM #20What made it "lazy"?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
06-01-2011, 07:32 AM
#21
(06-01-2011, 12:46 AM)Captain America What made it "lazy"?
this might be a better question for someone more familiar w/the internals of our IPs...
Once I get sometime behind the wheel, the throttle-stop will be one of those items on my list to adjust
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
(06-01-2011, 12:46 AM)Captain America What made it "lazy"?
this might be a better question for someone more familiar w/the internals of our IPs...
Once I get sometime behind the wheel, the throttle-stop will be one of those items on my list to adjust
Toyota fj40 Landcruiser with a Mercedes om617 3.0L turbo diesel
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