Garrett GT3582R for OM603
Garrett GT3582R for OM603
06-01-2011, 07:24 AM
#3
(05-31-2011, 07:47 PM)aaa Where's the flow chart?
What does "only get 8psi" mean? What rpm do you get it at, etc.
8 PSI is the max pressure I can get, at about 4000rpm upp hill in any gear and then the EGT wery quiqly to 800dgrC
Next thing is to advance the timing and go from 2,5" exhaust to 3"
do you have any ather ideas?
(05-31-2011, 07:47 PM)aaa Where's the flow chart?
What does "only get 8psi" mean? What rpm do you get it at, etc.
8 PSI is the max pressure I can get, at about 4000rpm upp hill in any gear and then the EGT wery quiqly to 800dgrC
Next thing is to advance the timing and go from 2,5" exhaust to 3"
do you have any ather ideas?
06-01-2011, 06:50 PM
#5
(06-01-2011, 09:41 AM)tomnik your turbo is o.k. mechanically?
waste gate, freely spinning?
But first make sure the timing is o.k.
If the timing is o.k. already then increase fuel.
(But I believe your timing is way off because of the abnormal EGT)
Tom
Hi Tom
The turbo is new and should be working ok, I havewastgate activator opening at 14PSI.
I have some bad 3" to 2,5" connetion right after the turbine, I hope I will get more bosst if I make good 3" exhaust.
Regards
Atli
(06-01-2011, 09:41 AM)tomnik your turbo is o.k. mechanically?
waste gate, freely spinning?
But first make sure the timing is o.k.
If the timing is o.k. already then increase fuel.
(But I believe your timing is way off because of the abnormal EGT)
Tom
Hi Tom
The turbo is new and should be working ok, I havewastgate activator opening at 14PSI.
I have some bad 3" to 2,5" connetion right after the turbine, I hope I will get more bosst if I make good 3" exhaust.
Regards
Atli
Then you will know if your exhaust is too small or not.
06-03-2011, 12:57 PM
#7
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
dieselmeken
06-03-2011, 12:57 PM #7If your turbo is to big, try this
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
06-04-2011, 05:37 AM
#8
(06-03-2011, 12:57 PM)dieselmeken If your turbo is to big, try this
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
What is this?
(06-03-2011, 12:57 PM)dieselmeken If your turbo is to big, try this
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
What is this?
06-05-2011, 12:01 AM
#9
Some people have had good luck with it.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Is for a twin scroll turbo. It blocks one side off till it sees boost and opens up for full flow.
Some people have had good luck with it.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
06-06-2011, 10:00 AM
#10
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
This is a very big turbo even if it is a ball bearing.
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
06-06-2011, 10:31 AM
#11
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
I would want to try a smaller turbine housing.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
06-09-2011, 07:25 AM
#12
(06-06-2011, 10:00 AM)winmutt This is a very big turbo even if it is a ball bearing.
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
Hi
Ok, I was afraid that it was to big after I bought it, the turbine housing is .63AR and that is the smallest housing I could bay on this turbine.
I bought it after Forced sent me this post..
"An HX35 has proven a good match for your engine. And a GT35 or GT37 would work well on the Garrett side."
What smaller turbine would you suggest?
Regards
Atli
(06-06-2011, 10:00 AM)winmutt This is a very big turbo even if it is a ball bearing.
COMPRESSOR 61.4mm 82.0mm 56 0.70
TURBINE 68.0mm 84 0.82 Free Float
I agree with erling66.
Hi
Ok, I was afraid that it was to big after I bought it, the turbine housing is .63AR and that is the smallest housing I could bay on this turbine.
I bought it after Forced sent me this post..
"An HX35 has proven a good match for your engine. And a GT35 or GT37 would work well on the Garrett side."
What smaller turbine would you suggest?
Regards
Atli
06-09-2011, 07:47 AM
#13
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
06-09-2011, 11:56 PM
#15
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
hansebanger77
06-09-2011, 11:56 PM #15hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
06-10-2011, 02:09 AM
#16
(06-09-2011, 04:28 PM)mantahead hi,
instead of buying a quick spool valve you could make up a plate that fits between turbo and exhaust manifold and block off one scroll. This should increase you boost pressure. Although i think you have pump problem.
wayne
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
Maybee a bit OT, but its about turboapplication.
I have built one VE pump for M51 engine, that pulls out app 90cc, togehter with a HX35 it worked out well, but the HX35 was a copy from another country, then a HX40 was on the machine with spoolup at 4000 rpm. Not driveable.
So therefor I bulid i new pump that pulls out 120cc, This one will be mounted in this weekend. If it doesent work out, one plate like the one on the picture will be mounted just for trying.
dieselmeken
06-10-2011, 02:09 AM #16(06-09-2011, 04:28 PM)mantahead hi,
instead of buying a quick spool valve you could make up a plate that fits between turbo and exhaust manifold and block off one scroll. This should increase you boost pressure. Although i think you have pump problem.
wayne
http://forumbilder.se/images/67120111139036aad.jpg
Maybee a bit OT, but its about turboapplication.
I have built one VE pump for M51 engine, that pulls out app 90cc, togehter with a HX35 it worked out well, but the HX35 was a copy from another country, then a HX40 was on the machine with spoolup at 4000 rpm. Not driveable.
So therefor I bulid i new pump that pulls out 120cc, This one will be mounted in this weekend. If it doesent work out, one plate like the one on the picture will be mounted just for trying.
06-15-2011, 11:34 AM
#17
(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
This post was last modified: 06-15-2011, 11:43 AM by Atli.
(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
06-17-2011, 11:55 AM
#18
(06-15-2011, 11:34 AM)AtliIt looks like your turbo is way to big for what you looking for performance wise. I have installed GT 3572 KLNV which is VNT type turbo(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
and I am quite please with it. It starts boosting from 1500 rpm on. I am on standard fueling so my max boost is 14 psi if I floor it and then exhaust temp. goes up to 1250 deg. F.
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
(06-15-2011, 11:34 AM)AtliIt looks like your turbo is way to big for what you looking for performance wise. I have installed GT 3572 KLNV which is VNT type turbo(06-09-2011, 07:47 AM)winmutt GT3582 has a 82mm exducer, this is almost as large the HE 351ve. HX35, HY35, HE341 even a HX40 would all be smaller and easy to find (here atleast).
That said with 7.5mm elements you should still be able to get it spooled without too much trouble.
Have you tried driving without the exhaust on?
Hi
Yes I have very well open 3" exhaust now and the car is a little better, I can get 10psi at 4rpm under heavy load. But smoke and exhaust heat is still big problem. Next step is to doble check the timing with time gun and se if the pump starts pumping at 25dgr before TDC.
Regards
Atli
(06-09-2011, 11:56 PM)hansebanger77 hi!
have u black smoke?
maybe you hafe a ALDA on your pump, make sure the box is connected.
and if the screw is totally in, try to turn out.
and test again
Yes I have ALDA and it is connected, I have both turn it in and out and the smok decreases if I turn it in but the exhaust heat is still high.
and I am quite please with it. It starts boosting from 1500 rpm on. I am on standard fueling so my max boost is 14 psi if I floor it and then exhaust temp. goes up to 1250 deg. F.
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
07-01-2011, 11:11 AM
#19
Found broken junktion on the exhaust manifolt causing the boost to come late, then I foun out the wastgate govenor opaned at 8psi.
Now I have some power and up to 18psi boost pressure.
I still have to much smoke and to high EGT.
The tine is set to 18dgr After TDC.
Is it ok to block the wastgate if the pressure never goes over 20 psi? (603,960)
Regards
Atli
Some progress,
Found broken junktion on the exhaust manifolt causing the boost to come late, then I foun out the wastgate govenor opaned at 8psi.
Now I have some power and up to 18psi boost pressure.
I still have to much smoke and to high EGT.
The tine is set to 18dgr After TDC.
Is it ok to block the wastgate if the pressure never goes over 20 psi? (603,960)
Regards
Atli
07-01-2011, 02:43 PM
#20
High temp. might be caused by timing, too much exhaust restriction or not enough air for amount of fuel delivered(low boost). You will have sort it out.
What is controling your wastegate - boost or exhaust back pressure?
Sometimes to reduce black smoke you have to control your foot.
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
Since you were able to raise boost by adjusting wastegate I would make sure is not opening. Check intake monifold for air leaks to make sure you are not loosing boost there.
High temp. might be caused by timing, too much exhaust restriction or not enough air for amount of fuel delivered(low boost). You will have sort it out.
What is controling your wastegate - boost or exhaust back pressure?
Sometimes to reduce black smoke you have to control your foot.
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
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