Shutoff circuit
Shutoff circuit
I could give a rip about anything creature comforts. But I would like the car to shift and turn on and off.
Any good explanations or diagrams?
Here is another diagram where I have no idea what '1' or '2' are.
http://blacknblood.t35.com/07_1-150.pdf
So the goal is to delete egr and the 3/2way switch. This is the new thread to avoid visiting my last one that's full of aggravation and confusion.
Ok, DV suggests that this may be an '85 motor.
FWIW
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Let's start this over. What is all involved in the shutoff circuit?
I could give a rip about anything creature comforts. But I would like the car to shift and turn on and off.
Any good explanations or diagrams?
Here is another diagram where I have no idea what '1' or '2' are.
http://blacknblood.t35.com/07_1-150.pdf
So the goal is to delete egr and the 3/2way switch. This is the new thread to avoid visiting my last one that's full of aggravation and confusion.
Ok, DV suggests that this may be an '85 motor.
FWIW
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Define "I want it to shift". It's pretty easy to bypass the transmission and only enable shutoff, but the the shifts will be jerky.
Also, I don't see EGR on those diagrams...
1 and 2 is the actual ignition switch. There's a valve on the side of it (1). Not the most clear diagram, it's really simple if you look at it in real life.
Define "I want it to shift". It's pretty easy to bypass the transmission and only enable shutoff, but the the shifts will be jerky.
Also, I don't see EGR on those diagrams...
When I got the car the other day it would shut off.
Then I tried to hook up the trans modulator. Thank goodness, now shifting is much smoother. And I put a blockoff plate on the EGR. Also pulled off/pluged vac lines from the ARV and EGR.
Now the motor will not cut fuel with the key.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
I mean I have the trans modulator connected to the VCV.
When I got the car the other day it would shut off.
Then I tried to hook up the trans modulator. Thank goodness, now shifting is much smoother. And I put a blockoff plate on the EGR. Also pulled off/pluged vac lines from the ARV and EGR.
Now the motor will not cut fuel with the key.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Course if you want to get serious about it you should use a vacuum gauge, you're not gonna get far past identifying obviously open connections otherwise.
It's probably not plugged in right. If you have enough vacuum for the trans then I'd think you'd have enough vacuum for the shutoff.
Course if you want to get serious about it you should use a vacuum gauge, you're not gonna get far past identifying obviously open connections otherwise.
85 motor 82 body!!
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Will check how much vacuum is coming off the vac pump tomorrow.
Then we can start from there. Till then there will be a lot of hood popping.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
About right but that diagram is not for '85 models.
Will check how much vacuum is coming off the vac pump tomorrow.
Then we can start from there. Till then there will be a lot of hood popping.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-14-2011, 01:09 AM #9Its pretty simple man. Can you get some better pics looking at it from the front of the car?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Everyone says it's pretty simple. I am taming my frustration. First step is to test how much vacuum the pump is creating. So, I can do that and we'll go on from there. Pics and all.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Compared to electronics, vacuum is pretty dead simple. Ask me how I feed about the electronically controlled trans in my Eurovan.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Check the pump. Eliminate all but the shut off circuit, work your way back from the shutoff pod on the IP with the mighty vac. Its really easy to get the brown vac lines backwards at the ignition switch.
Compared to electronics, vacuum is pretty dead simple. Ask me how I feed about the electronically controlled trans in my Eurovan.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-15-2011, 12:34 AM #13You said the car shut off before, so its not the vac pump...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Shoot one good pic and I'll tell you how to run them!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-15-2011, 03:58 PM #15Psi, Vacuum lol
Shoot one good pic and I'll tell you how to run them!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
You know what I mean, right?
I'll go get the pic.
brown blue stripe --- fuel shutoff
top of VCV -- trans modulator, second feed from vac pump (is this right?)
bottom of VCV -- ??????
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can we try and fill in the ?????
and correct anything else I am farking up
I do see that there is some lines disconnected from that first feed. what should it go to?
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
What did I write that wrong? negative pressure/ vacuum -22psi , -1.5bar
You know what I mean, right?
I'll go get the pic.
brown blue stripe --- fuel shutoff
top of VCV -- trans modulator, second feed from vac pump (is this right?)
bottom of VCV -- ??????
can we try and fill in the ?????
and correct anything else I am farking up
I do see that there is some lines disconnected from that first feed. what should it go to?
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
There isn't anything hooked to that tee. I refer to that as the first tee after the vac pump makes the vacuum. Not as the second tee from the brake booster. As per my last post.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
locks are not part of the shutoff circuit.
There isn't anything hooked to that tee. I refer to that as the first tee after the vac pump makes the vacuum. Not as the second tee from the brake booster. As per my last post.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
That is an interesting vacuum line to the brake booster. There definitely shouldn't be any open holes or vacuum will never be achieved by the pump.
Normally, both connections to the main Vac line are at one spot with two different sized orifices... I dunno whats up with yours but you can see in the crappy pic of mine that the second line connection (closest to brake booster) is used solely for the shutoff circuit. It goes into the cab via the brown line and comes back out via the brown line which goes to the shutoff. EDIT May have this mixed up too
The line closest to the pump (first connection) Tees and goes to two things... 1. VCV with the inline Dashpot (that you are missing) and 2. down to the trans modulator (I think)
Then out of the bottom of the VCV you have both lines that go into the car, Green w/ yellow stripe and black.
NOTE: I may have the black lines mixed up, Everything is apart on both cars right now. Just try different combinations until the everything works right.... shifts and stuff.
At least this will get your car to shut off.
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1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-16-2011, 04:36 PM #19Well Vacuum is measured in Inches of mercury (in hg) not pressure. When you say 22psi, you mean 22" ... 24" is about the most you'll see so your pump is doing just fine.
That is an interesting vacuum line to the brake booster. There definitely shouldn't be any open holes or vacuum will never be achieved by the pump.
Normally, both connections to the main Vac line are at one spot with two different sized orifices... I dunno whats up with yours but you can see in the crappy pic of mine that the second line connection (closest to brake booster) is used solely for the shutoff circuit. It goes into the cab via the brown line and comes back out via the brown line which goes to the shutoff. EDIT May have this mixed up too
The line closest to the pump (first connection) Tees and goes to two things... 1. VCV with the inline Dashpot (that you are missing) and 2. down to the trans modulator (I think)
Then out of the bottom of the VCV you have both lines that go into the car, Green w/ yellow stripe and black.
NOTE: I may have the black lines mixed up, Everything is apart on both cars right now. Just try different combinations until the everything works right.... shifts and stuff.
At least this will get your car to shut off.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
That pic looks like the 4 way at the top of your VCV has 2 openings not connected at all. Is that right?
Also, I have that green yellow stripe but no black is around. Have mine looking similar, we'll see how this trip to the grocery store goes.
Jackpot!, Thanks for your help. Next project is either getting new wiper sprayers or cleaning them or figuring out why the blower/heater works only like 10% of the time.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
I do have the dashpot now.
That pic looks like the 4 way at the top of your VCV has 2 openings not connected at all. Is that right?
Also, I have that green yellow stripe but no black is around. Have mine looking similar, we'll see how this trip to the grocery store goes.
Jackpot!, Thanks for your help. Next project is either getting new wiper sprayers or cleaning them or figuring out why the blower/heater works only like 10% of the time.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Sorry I didn't have a better picture...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-16-2011, 07:18 PM #21The 4 way on the top is plugged on the left side and on the right side has the black line that either goes to the inside of the car or to the trans I don't recall.
Sorry I didn't have a better picture...
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
(06-15-2011, 04:08 PM)larsalan
brown blue stripe --- fuel shutoff
top of VCV -- trans modulator, second feed from vac pump (is this right?)
bottom of VCV -- ??????
can we try and fill in the ?????
and correct anything else I am farking up
I do see that there is some lines disconnected from that first feed. what should it go to?
You posted this pic up in your first pic. All mercedes use the same color codes for the vacuum line and in your pic you can see the various lines are marked and on the RH side is list of the colors .Your ignition switch should have two lines,1 brown,1 brown wih a tracer signifying that is for the fuel shut off.
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(06-15-2011, 04:08 PM)larsalan
brown blue stripe --- fuel shutoff
top of VCV -- trans modulator, second feed from vac pump (is this right?)
bottom of VCV -- ??????
can we try and fill in the ?????
and correct anything else I am farking up
I do see that there is some lines disconnected from that first feed. what should it go to?
You posted this pic up in your first pic. All mercedes use the same color codes for the vacuum line and in your pic you can see the various lines are marked and on the RH side is list of the colors .Your ignition switch should have two lines,1 brown,1 brown wih a tracer signifying that is for the fuel shut off.
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