Turbo 240D
Turbo 240D
10-22-2011, 01:16 AM
#1
But theres on thing... I need more power, especially on the highway.
thanks to Willbhereforu I was able to get some good information on this mod
I will be needing a 300 exhaust/Intake Manifold
any 300 Turbo (or low PSI turbo, Recommendations on turbo?)
300 Turbo oil feed plate
Boost Gauge
I dont really have a budget on this and I will take pictures as I go along but before I go out and just start it I need to be organized
Any tips from you guys and anything I may need in the future?
Purplecomputer
10-22-2011, 01:16 AM #1So after a long thought a debate, I am not going to sell the car. Instead I am going to restore all the little things I can about it and just enjoy this car.
But theres on thing... I need more power, especially on the highway.
thanks to Willbhereforu I was able to get some good information on this mod
I will be needing a 300 exhaust/Intake Manifold
any 300 Turbo (or low PSI turbo, Recommendations on turbo?)
300 Turbo oil feed plate
Boost Gauge
I dont really have a budget on this and I will take pictures as I go along but before I go out and just start it I need to be organized
Any tips from you guys and anything I may need in the future?
10-22-2011, 03:01 AM
#2
The 300D intake / exaust manifolds are for 5-cylinders, whereas the 240D only has 4... I don't really understand how that could fit.
Also the differences between a 300D and a 300D turbo go beyond the manifolds and the actual turbo. There's changes in the crankshaft and pistons department too!
1982 s123 300TD TurboDiesel (US Spec) in France
I'm a bit confused... you want to transform a 240D in a 240D turbo?
The 300D intake / exaust manifolds are for 5-cylinders, whereas the 240D only has 4... I don't really understand how that could fit.
Also the differences between a 300D and a 300D turbo go beyond the manifolds and the actual turbo. There's changes in the crankshaft and pistons department too!
1982 s123 300TD TurboDiesel (US Spec) in France
10-22-2011, 04:18 AM
#3
Quote:With out the added fuel from rack limiter adjustment, the car was just as slow as it was without the turbo.
A smaller turbo would be better, but I don't think you'll find a bolt on one. Course with the high rpms a 240 has on the highway it will have spooled up the 300 turbo.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...o-pic.html
Quote:With out the added fuel from rack limiter adjustment, the car was just as slow as it was without the turbo.
A smaller turbo would be better, but I don't think you'll find a bolt on one. Course with the high rpms a 240 has on the highway it will have spooled up the 300 turbo.
10-22-2011, 05:33 PM
#4
(10-22-2011, 03:01 AM)vstef_is I'm a bit confused... you want to transform a 240D in a 240D turbo?
The 300D intake / exaust manifolds are for 5-cylinders, whereas the 240D only has 4... I don't really understand how that could fit.
Also the differences between a 300D and a 300D turbo go beyond the manifolds and the actual turbo. There's changes in the crankshaft and pistons department too!
i can see why your confused. I didnt really explain myself I just assumed it was well known this type of mod on this forum. I will be taking the manifold and cutting off one cylinder and welding them shut.
I understand the differences between the two engines. The 240D can safely use a turbo if it is under 10psi.
(10-22-2011, 04:18 AM)aaa http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...o-pic.html
Quote:With out the added fuel from rack limiter adjustment, the car was just as slow as it was without the turbo.
A smaller turbo would be better, but I don't think you'll find a bolt on one. Course with the high rpms a 240 has on the highway it will have spooled up the 300 turbo.
good read, lots of discussions. The OP says the car is quit fast, hopefully ill be gettin some good results. If everything goes out bad, I can always remove it before any real harm is done
This post was last modified: 10-22-2011, 05:36 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-22-2011, 05:33 PM #4(10-22-2011, 03:01 AM)vstef_is I'm a bit confused... you want to transform a 240D in a 240D turbo?
The 300D intake / exaust manifolds are for 5-cylinders, whereas the 240D only has 4... I don't really understand how that could fit.
Also the differences between a 300D and a 300D turbo go beyond the manifolds and the actual turbo. There's changes in the crankshaft and pistons department too!
i can see why your confused. I didnt really explain myself I just assumed it was well known this type of mod on this forum. I will be taking the manifold and cutting off one cylinder and welding them shut.
I understand the differences between the two engines. The 240D can safely use a turbo if it is under 10psi.
(10-22-2011, 04:18 AM)aaa http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...o-pic.html
Quote:With out the added fuel from rack limiter adjustment, the car was just as slow as it was without the turbo.
A smaller turbo would be better, but I don't think you'll find a bolt on one. Course with the high rpms a 240 has on the highway it will have spooled up the 300 turbo.
good read, lots of discussions. The OP says the car is quit fast, hopefully ill be gettin some good results. If everything goes out bad, I can always remove it before any real harm is done
10-22-2011, 05:37 PM
#5
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
10-22-2011, 05:37 PM #5Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
10-22-2011, 05:45 PM
#6
(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
Purplecomputer
10-22-2011, 05:45 PM #6(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
10-22-2011, 06:56 PM
#7
(10-22-2011, 05:45 PM)Purplecomputeri can make the mods to a manifold kit that i have and a turbo at a cheap price,let me know(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
carlitosgy6
10-22-2011, 06:56 PM #7(10-22-2011, 05:45 PM)Purplecomputeri can make the mods to a manifold kit that i have and a turbo at a cheap price,let me know(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
10-22-2011, 07:20 PM
#8
(10-22-2011, 06:56 PM)carlitosgy6(10-22-2011, 05:45 PM)Purplecomputeri can make the mods to a manifold kit that i have and a turbo at a cheap price,let me know(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
It would sure save me a lot of time. PM sent
Purplecomputer
10-22-2011, 07:20 PM #8(10-22-2011, 06:56 PM)carlitosgy6(10-22-2011, 05:45 PM)Purplecomputeri can make the mods to a manifold kit that i have and a turbo at a cheap price,let me know(10-22-2011, 05:37 PM)sassparilla_kid Im also thinking about putting a turbo on my 240, but that is gonna have to wait until sometime in the future after I get all of the other problems fixed, and after I manage to stop working on the 300 every other day
theres a lot of good info on this subject from this forum. Its what encouraged me to start it.
here willbehereforu uses a turbo kit he found
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
It would sure save me a lot of time. PM sent
10-22-2011, 08:23 PM
#9
I highly recomend the gt2056V turbo. They were used on Jeep Liberity diesels. The adjustability of the VNT will allow you to set where it starts to build boost. I am very happy with mine.
Don't forget that the governor will need to be adjusted to provide more fuel.
I just got my 616 turbo running. I went the moded 617a manifolds route, the material that the exhaust manifold is made from welded very nicely. I would do it again with out hesitation.
I highly recomend the gt2056V turbo. They were used on Jeep Liberity diesels. The adjustability of the VNT will allow you to set where it starts to build boost. I am very happy with mine.
Don't forget that the governor will need to be adjusted to provide more fuel.
10-23-2011, 07:29 AM
#10
Purplecomputer, a VNT wold definitely help in the spool-up-faster department, so here's the GT2056V adapter from when a few people on peachparts were using those turbos. So after finding someone to waterjet an adapter for you, the only challenge would be finding one of those turbos.
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Image(s)OM616, if the VNT is just fixed in one position wouldn't the boost get too high?
Purplecomputer, a VNT wold definitely help in the spool-up-faster department, so here's the GT2056V adapter from when a few people on peachparts were using those turbos. So after finding someone to waterjet an adapter for you, the only challenge would be finding one of those turbos.
Attached Files
Image(s)
10-23-2011, 09:42 AM
#11
(10-23-2011, 07:29 AM)aaa OM616, if the VNT is just fixed in one position wouldn't the boost get too high?
The vane position is touchy, as if I close them a little from where they are now I get crazy boost, and if I back them off the same little bit the max boost is reduced a lot.
With just the brief drive around town I saw 20 PSI at the top end at near full power, but I need to adjust the governor for the turbo, and that may require a slight modulation of the vanes.
It is such a miniscule adjustment though that I can see setting it for the max boost and let it go. I like the boost coming on early like it is now and I am good with the 20 psi at balls out. Average acceleration loads I get 10-12 PSI of boost with the current set up.
I am thinking that if I do need to "regulate" the boost, I would set the max boost position, and make a rod spacer that limits the actuator rod travel to set the vanes to where they are now, so when vacuum is put to the actuator I get the quick boost. I would then make a pressure switch circuit that would operate a valve (open / closed) that would control the vacuum signal. Some where in the boost curve I would set the switch pressure, which would bleed the vacuum through an orifice which would slowly move the vain position from the low end setting to the high end setting. If the start pressure and bleed rate are right the boost should come on early and peek where the max setting is. In theory that is.
I also reduced the oil feed orifice to 1.2mm. The hole in the housing was 3.0mm and I saw oil in the compressor outlet, not much though. Even with 10-W30 oil the oil pressure doesn’t go bellow 40 PSI, so it is getting plenty of oil even with the small orifice.
I also need to check the EMP at full power and boost yet. I have a port in the manifold, just don’t have a gage in the cab yet to see what’s going on. That may be more of a factor in regulation than boost.
(10-23-2011, 07:29 AM)aaa OM616, if the VNT is just fixed in one position wouldn't the boost get too high?
The vane position is touchy, as if I close them a little from where they are now I get crazy boost, and if I back them off the same little bit the max boost is reduced a lot.
With just the brief drive around town I saw 20 PSI at the top end at near full power, but I need to adjust the governor for the turbo, and that may require a slight modulation of the vanes.
It is such a miniscule adjustment though that I can see setting it for the max boost and let it go. I like the boost coming on early like it is now and I am good with the 20 psi at balls out. Average acceleration loads I get 10-12 PSI of boost with the current set up.
I am thinking that if I do need to "regulate" the boost, I would set the max boost position, and make a rod spacer that limits the actuator rod travel to set the vanes to where they are now, so when vacuum is put to the actuator I get the quick boost. I would then make a pressure switch circuit that would operate a valve (open / closed) that would control the vacuum signal. Some where in the boost curve I would set the switch pressure, which would bleed the vacuum through an orifice which would slowly move the vain position from the low end setting to the high end setting. If the start pressure and bleed rate are right the boost should come on early and peek where the max setting is. In theory that is.
I also reduced the oil feed orifice to 1.2mm. The hole in the housing was 3.0mm and I saw oil in the compressor outlet, not much though. Even with 10-W30 oil the oil pressure doesn’t go bellow 40 PSI, so it is getting plenty of oil even with the small orifice.
I also need to check the EMP at full power and boost yet. I have a port in the manifold, just don’t have a gage in the cab yet to see what’s going on. That may be more of a factor in regulation than boost.
10-23-2011, 10:03 AM
#12
This post was last modified: 10-23-2011, 10:04 AM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-23-2011, 10:03 AM #12I would start with a k26 off a 84-85 300d It has a smaller exhaust housing than the Garrett t3 and is a direct bolt plus it has an externally adjustable waste gate!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-23-2011, 03:31 PM
#13
(10-23-2011, 10:03 AM)willbhere4u I would start with a k26 off a 84-85 300d It has a smaller exhaust housing than the Garrett t3 and is a direct bolt plus it has an externally adjustable waste gate!
carlitosgy6 is selling me a turbo, and both modded manis for a great price so im going to buy those from him once i finish picking his brain with all the questions I have about them
I may want to have someone come and adjust the fuel pump for me as i am a little unsure on how to do it because ive seen videos on it and read up on it but its just very intimidating.
What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
This post was last modified: 10-23-2011, 05:38 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-23-2011, 03:31 PM #13(10-23-2011, 10:03 AM)willbhere4u I would start with a k26 off a 84-85 300d It has a smaller exhaust housing than the Garrett t3 and is a direct bolt plus it has an externally adjustable waste gate!
carlitosgy6 is selling me a turbo, and both modded manis for a great price so im going to buy those from him once i finish picking his brain with all the questions I have about them
I may want to have someone come and adjust the fuel pump for me as i am a little unsure on how to do it because ive seen videos on it and read up on it but its just very intimidating.
What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
10-23-2011, 05:49 PM
#14
(10-23-2011, 07:29 AM)aaa OM616, if the VNT is just fixed in one position wouldn't the boost get too high?
Purplecomputer, a VNT wold definitely help in the spool-up-faster department, so here's the GT2056V adapter from when a few people on peachparts were using those turbos. So after finding someone to waterjet an adapter for you, the only challenge would be finding one of those turbos.
I like this, but i am currentl getting another kit from a member here with eveything i need so I will stick to this and get the car to run with a turbo first.
Purplecomputer
10-23-2011, 05:49 PM #14(10-23-2011, 07:29 AM)aaa OM616, if the VNT is just fixed in one position wouldn't the boost get too high?
Purplecomputer, a VNT wold definitely help in the spool-up-faster department, so here's the GT2056V adapter from when a few people on peachparts were using those turbos. So after finding someone to waterjet an adapter for you, the only challenge would be finding one of those turbos.
I like this, but i am currentl getting another kit from a member here with eveything i need so I will stick to this and get the car to run with a turbo first.
10-23-2011, 05:55 PM
#15
(10-23-2011, 03:31 PM)Purplecomputer What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
You'd need airflow, preferably fresh, on it. A fan, or mounting it behind the grill.
(10-23-2011, 03:31 PM)Purplecomputer What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
You'd need airflow, preferably fresh, on it. A fan, or mounting it behind the grill.
10-23-2011, 06:01 PM
#16
(10-23-2011, 05:55 PM)aaa(10-23-2011, 03:31 PM)Purplecomputer What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
You'd need airflow, preferably fresh, on it. A fan, or mounting it behind the grill.
It looks small enough to maybe put it in front of the coolant radiator
EDIT: So i just purchased the modded manifolds a k26 turbo and the oil assembly from carlitosgy6 at an awesome price. Time to buy the boost gauge and EGT Gauge. Any recomendations on what brand and where i should put them? I dont want to drill any holes in the dash, use any adhesive or anything like that since the car is mint.
This post was last modified: 10-23-2011, 08:44 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-23-2011, 06:01 PM #16(10-23-2011, 05:55 PM)aaa(10-23-2011, 03:31 PM)Purplecomputer What do you guys think about this kind of intercooler? It looks small enough for me to fit in the engine bay and will this help keep EGT temps down?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Front-...067wt_1396
You'd need airflow, preferably fresh, on it. A fan, or mounting it behind the grill.
It looks small enough to maybe put it in front of the coolant radiator
EDIT: So i just purchased the modded manifolds a k26 turbo and the oil assembly from carlitosgy6 at an awesome price. Time to buy the boost gauge and EGT Gauge. Any recomendations on what brand and where i should put them? I dont want to drill any holes in the dash, use any adhesive or anything like that since the car is mint.
10-24-2011, 12:30 AM
#17
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
10-24-2011, 12:30 AM #17Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
10-24-2011, 03:40 AM
#18
This 240d after 20mph and up to 85mph would IMO out perform any well tuned (Stock) 78-85yr turboed mercedes.
Suggestion, Use the 240d smog manifold,82yr up. The manifold with the throttle blade up top. Clean up,port,etc. YES the air does change direction ,this helps dampen the back pulses, 240d.very bad about this. . Properly adj. the butterfly!!! Will keep air flow up,Both lower and upper rpm.( Improved performance ) How to adj. Butterfly should not move first 15mm of out side throttle movement.
nor should it open all the way,(Manifold air speed will drop) , no more than 7/8 open.Adj.and road test ,both light and heavy throttle,adj. to best.
Some thing to ponder?-- How many turboed engines AS per different manufacturers have oil jets for piston cooling ???
Hope this helps.
Turboed a 82yr 240d auto trans.a few yrs.ago.Results, garrett turbo to large,spooled very late, ,had pump rebuilt and fuel increased,engine total rebuild all possible,normal tuning done,except head ported, stock exhaust. Fuel mileage combo.average 22-24 mpg ,mountain driving fully loaded and full tank 33mpg,running heavy on throttle (very disappointed with results). My Repair,installed turbo from 1.8 liter toyota. Made adapter,Square to round inlet,three bolt outlet plate also made.All hand tools. Results,Very nice to drive,quick spool, good power,fuel mileage24-26 combo., still 33 mountain. 50,000 miles with no troubles when sold.
This 240d after 20mph and up to 85mph would IMO out perform any well tuned (Stock) 78-85yr turboed mercedes.
Suggestion, Use the 240d smog manifold,82yr up. The manifold with the throttle blade up top. Clean up,port,etc. YES the air does change direction ,this helps dampen the back pulses, 240d.very bad about this. . Properly adj. the butterfly!!! Will keep air flow up,Both lower and upper rpm.( Improved performance ) How to adj. Butterfly should not move first 15mm of out side throttle movement.
nor should it open all the way,(Manifold air speed will drop) , no more than 7/8 open.Adj.and road test ,both light and heavy throttle,adj. to best.
Some thing to ponder?-- How many turboed engines AS per different manufacturers have oil jets for piston cooling ???
Hope this helps.
10-24-2011, 02:52 PM
#19
I had to modify the inside of the console a bit to fit the gauges and I have another oil temp gauge not mounted yet
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-240-Turbo
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 03:02 PM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-24-2011, 02:52 PM #19Check out the gauges in my 240d turbo I used a VDO EGT and boost gauge. And a gauge cluster from some kind of Volkswagen Golf under my radio where the ash tray use to be
I had to modify the inside of the console a bit to fit the gauges and I have another oil temp gauge not mounted yet
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-240-Turbo
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-24-2011, 04:26 PM
#20
(10-24-2011, 02:52 PM)willbhere4u .....
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
I wouldn't use it for the 240D project. The rear runner would be too wide in diameter a single cylinder compared to the other runners. You would want to have a runner the same size which the EGR-versions have.
Since your going to the trouble of cutting and welding, your better off welding shut the EGR hole in the interior to reduce the exhaust turbulence.
Grab that "getting rare" non-EGR manifold anyways, there are plenty of folks with 617s that can use them.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
10-24-2011, 04:26 PM #20(10-24-2011, 02:52 PM)willbhere4u .....
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
I wouldn't use it for the 240D project. The rear runner would be too wide in diameter a single cylinder compared to the other runners. You would want to have a runner the same size which the EGR-versions have.
Since your going to the trouble of cutting and welding, your better off welding shut the EGR hole in the interior to reduce the exhaust turbulence.
Grab that "getting rare" non-EGR manifold anyways, there are plenty of folks with 617s that can use them.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
10-24-2011, 04:40 PM
#21
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
10-24-2011, 04:40 PM #21Alright I'll probably head back either thursday or friday to get it. Woud it be a direct fit on my '82 300D Turbo if I were wanting to do away with all the egr crap?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
10-24-2011, 04:54 PM
#22
(10-24-2011, 04:40 PM)sassparilla_kid Alright I'll probably head back either thursday or friday to get it. Woud it be a direct fit on my '82 300D Turbo if I were wanting to do away with all the egr crap?
Yes, absolutely. A good clean way to do it. Then you can take your '82 EGR manifolds and modify it for the 240.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
10-24-2011, 04:54 PM #22(10-24-2011, 04:40 PM)sassparilla_kid Alright I'll probably head back either thursday or friday to get it. Woud it be a direct fit on my '82 300D Turbo if I were wanting to do away with all the egr crap?
Yes, absolutely. A good clean way to do it. Then you can take your '82 EGR manifolds and modify it for the 240.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
10-24-2011, 06:03 PM
#23
(10-24-2011, 02:52 PM)willbhere4u Check out the gauges in my 240d turbo I used a VDO EGT and boost gauge. And a gauge cluster from some kind of Volkswagen Golf under my radio where the ash tray use to be
I had to modify the inside of the console a bit to fit the gauges and I have another oil temp gauge not mounted yet
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-240-Turbo
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
I really like that, But i do smoke every once in a while in the car so i would like to have an ash tray. I guess ill figure it out when Im actually putting in the gauges. It always come to me last minute.
I was thinking about getting this type of gauge, the one where it changes colours. Im a sucker for lights!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/52mm-Black-7-Col...519b599512
I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
This post was last modified: 10-24-2011, 06:07 PM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-24-2011, 06:03 PM #23(10-24-2011, 02:52 PM)willbhere4u Check out the gauges in my 240d turbo I used a VDO EGT and boost gauge. And a gauge cluster from some kind of Volkswagen Golf under my radio where the ash tray use to be
I had to modify the inside of the console a bit to fit the gauges and I have another oil temp gauge not mounted yet
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thread-240-Turbo
(10-24-2011, 12:30 AM)sassparilla_kid Okay so if I want to do this to my 240 should I head back to pick-a-part to pull the manifolds and turbo off of the only diesel they had there, a '79 300SD, or should I hold out until Im able to find a k26 off of a later car?
I would grab the manifolds and hold out on the turbo
The manifolds off the 1979 300sd should be non EGR manifolds no extra junk to worry about plus it flows a little better!
I really like that, But i do smoke every once in a while in the car so i would like to have an ash tray. I guess ill figure it out when Im actually putting in the gauges. It always come to me last minute.
I was thinking about getting this type of gauge, the one where it changes colours. Im a sucker for lights!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/52mm-Black-7-Col...519b599512
I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
10-24-2011, 09:11 PM
#24
(10-24-2011, 06:03 PM)Purplecomputer I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
It has to drain back in to the pan after it goes through the turbo
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-24-2011, 09:11 PM #24(10-24-2011, 06:03 PM)Purplecomputer I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
It has to drain back in to the pan after it goes through the turbo
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-25-2011, 09:43 AM
#25
(10-24-2011, 09:11 PM)willbhere4u(10-24-2011, 06:03 PM)Purplecomputer I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
It has to drain back in to the pan after it goes through the turbo
So I will be having to modify the pan? any pictures I can see so I can get a better idea?
This post was last modified: 10-25-2011, 09:50 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 09:43 AM #25(10-24-2011, 09:11 PM)willbhere4u(10-24-2011, 06:03 PM)Purplecomputer I was also thinking about the oil feed for the turbo. It is only one way? or does it recirculate back into the oil pan?
It has to drain back in to the pan after it goes through the turbo
So I will be having to modify the pan? any pictures I can see so I can get a better idea?
10-25-2011, 09:54 AM
#26
A new oil pan is around $40 you can modify the lower oil pan if you ever want to go back to stock because it is so easy to replace!
I personalty put my oil return in to the upper aluminum pan directly below the turbo where the factory turbo cars are located for ease of plumbing
This post was last modified: 10-25-2011, 09:57 AM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-25-2011, 09:54 AM #26I took off the lower oil pan it takes less than 10 minuets! I just let my oil drain out over night and put a couple rags down it really wasn't to messy all things considering!
A new oil pan is around $40 you can modify the lower oil pan if you ever want to go back to stock because it is so easy to replace!
I personalty put my oil return in to the upper aluminum pan directly below the turbo where the factory turbo cars are located for ease of plumbing
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-25-2011, 10:30 AM
#27
(10-25-2011, 09:54 AM)willbhere4u I took off the lower oil pan it takes less than 10 minuets! I just let my oil drain out over night and put a couple rags down it really wasn't to messy all things considering!
A new oil pan is around $40 you can modify the lower oil pan if you ever want to go back to stock because it is so easy to replace!
I personalty put my oil return in to the upper aluminum pan directly below the turbo where the factory turbo cars are located for ease of plumbing
sounds easy enough. of course I will need to replace the gasket, just to be safe. Did you just cut a hole and used a bolt/nut to tighten it or did you weld it in? Im assuming since the drain plug is just a bolt it should be fine to do the same thing with the turbo drain
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 10:30 AM #27(10-25-2011, 09:54 AM)willbhere4u I took off the lower oil pan it takes less than 10 minuets! I just let my oil drain out over night and put a couple rags down it really wasn't to messy all things considering!
A new oil pan is around $40 you can modify the lower oil pan if you ever want to go back to stock because it is so easy to replace!
I personalty put my oil return in to the upper aluminum pan directly below the turbo where the factory turbo cars are located for ease of plumbing
sounds easy enough. of course I will need to replace the gasket, just to be safe. Did you just cut a hole and used a bolt/nut to tighten it or did you weld it in? Im assuming since the drain plug is just a bolt it should be fine to do the same thing with the turbo drain
10-25-2011, 10:43 AM
#28
here's the build page for my 240d turbo a few images down you can see the fittings I got
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
This post was last modified: 10-25-2011, 10:44 AM by willbhere4u.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-25-2011, 10:43 AM #28since I did mine in the aluminum I got a 10AN bulk head fitting I used copper washers and silicone
here's the build page for my 240d turbo a few images down you can see the fittings I got
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-25-2011, 11:09 AM
#29
(10-25-2011, 10:43 AM)willbhere4u since I did mine in the aluminum I got a 10AN bulk head fitting I used copper washers and silicone
here's the build page for my 240d turbo a few images down you can see the fittings I got
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
okay, Im sure i can do the same thing. Shouldn't be too hard. Wherer did you buy those fittings?
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 11:09 AM #29(10-25-2011, 10:43 AM)willbhere4u since I did mine in the aluminum I got a 10AN bulk head fitting I used copper washers and silicone
here's the build page for my 240d turbo a few images down you can see the fittings I got
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...o-Kit-240d
okay, Im sure i can do the same thing. Shouldn't be too hard. Wherer did you buy those fittings?
10-25-2011, 02:53 PM
#30
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-25-2011, 02:53 PM #30There was a small shop called Tubes and Hoses in Loveland Co but any performance shop should be able to get them I would think
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
yankneck696
10-25-2011, 05:00 PM #31Turbo return lines need to be as free flowing and vertical as possible.
Ed
10-25-2011, 05:04 PM
#32
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-25-2011, 05:04 PM #32^^^ what he said if they are 2 restrictive it can cause oil to go past the turbo seals and smoke badly
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-25-2011, 05:19 PM
#33
(10-25-2011, 05:04 PM)willbhere4u ^^^ what he said if they are 2 restrictive it can cause oil to go past the turbo seals and smoke badly
oh man, this is starting to get a little intimidating. Im going to do this regardless anyways!
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 05:19 PM #33(10-25-2011, 05:04 PM)willbhere4u ^^^ what he said if they are 2 restrictive it can cause oil to go past the turbo seals and smoke badly
oh man, this is starting to get a little intimidating. Im going to do this regardless anyways!
10-25-2011, 05:31 PM
#34
Ed
yankneck696
10-25-2011, 05:31 PM #34Please do. It's not really a hard job to do. Once you have all of the parts together, take a week to plan it well & it should take a weekend to get it all accomplished.
Ed
10-25-2011, 07:24 PM
#36
(10-25-2011, 06:17 PM)ronnie not sure how much power you are after, but I have had good results without adding a turbo. Not trying to say don't do it, just if you want a nice increase, but not all out, you might want to think about it. What part of Jersey are you in?
im actually on Long Island. I am looking for more oomph and highway passing power.
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 07:24 PM #36(10-25-2011, 06:17 PM)ronnie not sure how much power you are after, but I have had good results without adding a turbo. Not trying to say don't do it, just if you want a nice increase, but not all out, you might want to think about it. What part of Jersey are you in?
im actually on Long Island. I am looking for more oomph and highway passing power.
10-25-2011, 08:00 PM
#37
Passing power, had to pass a slow(70mph ish) van the other day, he floored while I was passing him,both of us made it to 90 before he backed off. I still had some left, and was just inching past him when he did back off. No idea of what my top speed is, short of a race track not likely to find out.
Ip adjustments, new manifold(custom made by me from other peoples ideas), and reamed pre chambers, made the most differance, minor differance bumped timing, larger exhaust. Overall about a 25-30% increase. I sort of think this is a good start before a turbo, then adding a turbo on top of this should make a real screamer out of it. I would like to change the cam, and get bigger elements next. Then see how I like it before putting a turbo on it. I just want to get the max before turbo, mostly to see what is possible. Have been really pleased so far. Just a much nicer car to drive.
My wife is from Long island, Central Islip.
Passing power, had to pass a slow(70mph ish) van the other day, he floored while I was passing him,both of us made it to 90 before he backed off. I still had some left, and was just inching past him when he did back off. No idea of what my top speed is, short of a race track not likely to find out.
Ip adjustments, new manifold(custom made by me from other peoples ideas), and reamed pre chambers, made the most differance, minor differance bumped timing, larger exhaust. Overall about a 25-30% increase. I sort of think this is a good start before a turbo, then adding a turbo on top of this should make a real screamer out of it. I would like to change the cam, and get bigger elements next. Then see how I like it before putting a turbo on it. I just want to get the max before turbo, mostly to see what is possible. Have been really pleased so far. Just a much nicer car to drive.
10-25-2011, 08:06 PM
#38
(10-25-2011, 08:00 PM)ronnie My wife is from Long island, Central Islip.
Passing power, had to pass a slow(70mph ish) van the other day, he floored while I was passing him,both of us made it to 90 before he backed off. I still had some left, and was just inching past him when he did back off. No idea of what my top speed is, short of a race track not likely to find out.
Ip adjustments, new manifold(custom made by me from other peoples ideas), and reamed pre chambers, made the most differance, minor differance bumped timing, larger exhaust. Overall about a 25-30% increase. I sort of think this is a good start before a turbo, then adding a turbo on top of this should make a real screamer out of it. I would like to change the cam, and get bigger elements next. Then see how I like it before putting a turbo on it. I just want to get the max before turbo, mostly to see what is possible. Have been really pleased so far. Just a much nicer car to drive.
I live literally right on the edge between brentwood and Central Islip. I would love an IP adjustment to start off maybe you would want to do one for me
Purplecomputer
10-25-2011, 08:06 PM #38(10-25-2011, 08:00 PM)ronnie My wife is from Long island, Central Islip.
Passing power, had to pass a slow(70mph ish) van the other day, he floored while I was passing him,both of us made it to 90 before he backed off. I still had some left, and was just inching past him when he did back off. No idea of what my top speed is, short of a race track not likely to find out.
Ip adjustments, new manifold(custom made by me from other peoples ideas), and reamed pre chambers, made the most differance, minor differance bumped timing, larger exhaust. Overall about a 25-30% increase. I sort of think this is a good start before a turbo, then adding a turbo on top of this should make a real screamer out of it. I would like to change the cam, and get bigger elements next. Then see how I like it before putting a turbo on it. I just want to get the max before turbo, mostly to see what is possible. Have been really pleased so far. Just a much nicer car to drive.
I live literally right on the edge between brentwood and Central Islip. I would love an IP adjustment to start off maybe you would want to do one for me
10-26-2011, 01:55 AM
#39
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
10-26-2011, 01:55 AM #39On the subject of suitable turbos, will a k26 from a porsche work? Are there any differences between those and the ones found on mercedes? Just asking because there seems to be an abundance of turbos off of 944's but only a few from mercedes on ebay, and the porsche ones all seem much more affordable
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
10-26-2011, 07:20 AM
#40
You do need to get an egt gauge before any ip work.
want to drive to Virginia? I will say I am not in the business of car work, but am willing to help with this sort of thing. I got out of the car business about 10 years ago to start my own business building boats.
You do need to get an egt gauge before any ip work.
10-26-2011, 10:14 AM
#41
(10-26-2011, 01:55 AM)sassparilla_kid On the subject of suitable turbos, will a k26 from a porsche work? Are there any differences between those and the ones found on mercedes? Just asking because there seems to be an abundance of turbos off of 944's but only a few from mercedes on ebay, and the porsche ones all seem much more affordable
im no turbo expert but the key is to get any low PSI turbo. My targeted pressure is about 10psi max. hopefully someone will be able to answer your question better then me. It might not work since the Porsche is a sports car designed for high speeds.
(10-26-2011, 07:20 AM)ronnie want to drive to Virginia? I will say I am not in the business of car work, but am willing to help with this sort of thing. I got out of the car business about 10 years ago to start my own business building boats.
You do need to get an egt gauge before any ip work.
I am planning to get an EGT gauge for this project but i am not sure I can drive out there anytime soon.
This post was last modified: 10-26-2011, 10:15 AM by Purplecomputer.
Purplecomputer
10-26-2011, 10:14 AM #41(10-26-2011, 01:55 AM)sassparilla_kid On the subject of suitable turbos, will a k26 from a porsche work? Are there any differences between those and the ones found on mercedes? Just asking because there seems to be an abundance of turbos off of 944's but only a few from mercedes on ebay, and the porsche ones all seem much more affordable
im no turbo expert but the key is to get any low PSI turbo. My targeted pressure is about 10psi max. hopefully someone will be able to answer your question better then me. It might not work since the Porsche is a sports car designed for high speeds.
(10-26-2011, 07:20 AM)ronnie want to drive to Virginia? I will say I am not in the business of car work, but am willing to help with this sort of thing. I got out of the car business about 10 years ago to start my own business building boats.
You do need to get an egt gauge before any ip work.
I am planning to get an EGT gauge for this project but i am not sure I can drive out there anytime soon.
10-26-2011, 06:06 PM
#42
in the mean time look at this, OM616 wrote it, and gives the theory quite well on ip adjustment.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...ump-theory
Also wanted to mention that on peachparts I am 47dodge. I've seen my name mentioned here and there.
ok I am in no hurry if you do want to come down here.
in the mean time look at this, OM616 wrote it, and gives the theory quite well on ip adjustment.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...ump-theory
Also wanted to mention that on peachparts I am 47dodge. I've seen my name mentioned here and there.
10-26-2011, 06:56 PM
#43
(10-26-2011, 06:06 PM)ronnie ok I am in no hurry if you do want to come down here.
in the mean time look at this, OM616 wrote it, and gives the theory quite well on ip adjustment.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...ump-theory
Also wanted to mention that on peachparts I am 47dodge. I've seen my name mentioned here and there.
thanks for the link. I should be receiving my mani's and turbo sometime next week and ill post pictures when I get them. Ive been looking for a good combo gauge with EGT and boost but their pretty expensive..
Purplecomputer
10-26-2011, 06:56 PM #43(10-26-2011, 06:06 PM)ronnie ok I am in no hurry if you do want to come down here.
in the mean time look at this, OM616 wrote it, and gives the theory quite well on ip adjustment.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...ump-theory
Also wanted to mention that on peachparts I am 47dodge. I've seen my name mentioned here and there.
thanks for the link. I should be receiving my mani's and turbo sometime next week and ill post pictures when I get them. Ive been looking for a good combo gauge with EGT and boost but their pretty expensive..
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