722.6 Special controller
722.6 Special controller
11-12-2011, 03:25 PM
#1
Just want to share my progress at controlling the 722.6 fully electronic gearbox width the Arduino Mega and my own PCB and programming.
Here is a little video showing the Manuel mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2tKdLJvl0
Here showing the menu system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kkp6WSss
There is still some work to do but works great in both automatic and manuel mode :-)
Attached Files
Image(s)1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Hi all
Just want to share my progress at controlling the 722.6 fully electronic gearbox width the Arduino Mega and my own PCB and programming.
Here is a little video showing the Manuel mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw2tKdLJvl0
Here showing the menu system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kkp6WSss
There is still some work to do but works great in both automatic and manuel mode :-)
Attached Files
Image(s)1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-12-2011, 03:35 PM
#2
whipplem104
11-12-2011, 03:35 PM #2Good to see. Is the controller integrated with the PCS tcu and you are doing adjustments through your interface? Or did you develop your own tcu.
11-12-2011, 03:44 PM
#3
(11-12-2011, 03:35 PM)whipplem104 Good to see. Is the controller integrated with the PCS tcu and you are doing adjustments through your interface? Or did you develop your own tcu.
Hi No it is totally on its own, on the picture to the left you see the mosfets controlling the walve width different PWM, depending on load and so on, but i think you know all about that ;-)
The main reason is that i have full control over TPS and boost giving me the momentum from the engine, and you can have the LCD in the car all the time.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(11-12-2011, 03:35 PM)whipplem104 Good to see. Is the controller integrated with the PCS tcu and you are doing adjustments through your interface? Or did you develop your own tcu.
Hi No it is totally on its own, on the picture to the left you see the mosfets controlling the walve width different PWM, depending on load and so on, but i think you know all about that ;-)
The main reason is that i have full control over TPS and boost giving me the momentum from the engine, and you can have the LCD in the car all the time.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-12-2011, 03:51 PM
#4
I like it though. Simple and to the point. And it looks like it is doing all features for you. What are the shifts like? I finally got all the scaling for the pressures and temperatures really nice on my cars.
whipplem104
11-12-2011, 03:51 PM #4Looks cool. Not quite as much control over the transmission in the scaling but functional. Did you sell the PCS setup. There is new firmware now and soon to be even newer. For tuning in the car you can use the PCS touchscreen data logger. It will also do boost control. It would probably do the the electronic rack also. I have not looked into that. I used my tcu for boost control though for a long time.
I like it though. Simple and to the point. And it looks like it is doing all features for you. What are the shifts like? I finally got all the scaling for the pressures and temperatures really nice on my cars.
11-12-2011, 04:23 PM
#5
The shifts are totally smooth to wery hard depending on how i adjust it.
The shift points are a parabolic curve, as you know i want it to shift almost at the same speed from 0% TPS to 25% TPS and so on and then it gets steeper and steeper the more TPS you give it.
Regarding the shift Firmness i only have 2 point to start width, and a line in between. and that is calculated, depending of TPS + Boost
And can be controlled individual in up and down shift
As the TPS is calculated, in my case 35% and the boost the rest 65%.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Hi
The shifts are totally smooth to wery hard depending on how i adjust it.
The shift points are a parabolic curve, as you know i want it to shift almost at the same speed from 0% TPS to 25% TPS and so on and then it gets steeper and steeper the more TPS you give it.
Regarding the shift Firmness i only have 2 point to start width, and a line in between. and that is calculated, depending of TPS + Boost
And can be controlled individual in up and down shift
As the TPS is calculated, in my case 35% and the boost the rest 65%.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-12-2011, 04:32 PM
#6
whipplem104
11-12-2011, 04:32 PM #6Very cool. Looks like a lot of work. But I like the adjustability and the fact that it works with your other features. I have to say that I am tired of driving around with a laptop. That is why I am finally getting a datalogger for myself. I just wish that it would tune my engine also. But I normally do not have to mess with that very often. I am going to have the datalogger docked in both of my cars. So I can switch back and forth really easy.
11-12-2011, 04:38 PM
#7
(11-12-2011, 04:32 PM)whipplem104 Very cool. Looks like a lot of work. But I like the adjustability and the fact that it works with your other features. I have to say that I am tired of driving around with a laptop. That is why I am finally getting a datalogger for myself. I just wish that it would tune my engine also. But I normally do not have to mess with that very often. I am going to have the datalogger docked in both of my cars. So I can switch back and forth really easy.Alot of work! On purpuse i did not count the time it took ;-)
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(11-12-2011, 04:32 PM)whipplem104 Very cool. Looks like a lot of work. But I like the adjustability and the fact that it works with your other features. I have to say that I am tired of driving around with a laptop. That is why I am finally getting a datalogger for myself. I just wish that it would tune my engine also. But I normally do not have to mess with that very often. I am going to have the datalogger docked in both of my cars. So I can switch back and forth really easy.Alot of work! On purpuse i did not count the time it took ;-)
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-12-2011, 04:45 PM
#8
whipplem104
11-12-2011, 04:45 PM #8I know. Sometimes it is better just not to know. When I think of how much time I have invested in things. I could get a part time job at the grocery store and make enough money to drive a new Ferrari. Honestly though I like the projects as much as the final product. Looks like you are in the same sick boat.
11-19-2011, 10:44 AM
#10
Done some more work on the controller today, actually now driving it in the car.
It is fun work when it works :-)
Here is a test in automatic mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgUkKPyp6o
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Hi again
Done some more work on the controller today, actually now driving it in the car.
It is fun work when it works :-)
Here is a test in automatic mode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgUkKPyp6o
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-20-2011, 08:57 AM
#11
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
11-20-2011, 08:57 AM #11so i know you have that little button. do you think you'll be able to incorporate the stock snifter to shift in manual mode? or will it be some other system like a paddle shift?
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
11-20-2011, 12:10 PM
#13
(11-20-2011, 08:57 AM)iheartboost so i know you have that little button. do you think you'll be able to incorporate the stock snifter to shift in manual mode? or will it be some other system like a paddle shift?Yes i had the little joystick just for testing.
Left = Esc.
Rigth = Enter
Up = Up and in Manuel mode upshift
Down = Down and in Manuel mode Downshift
But it would make totally sence to use paddleshifter for up and down.
Regarding the shifter. in automatic mode, it do downshift if you are in 4 gear and pull the leaver in to 3 then it will shift down to 3.
But are you thinking of the newer leaver where you have the +/- sign ?
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(11-20-2011, 08:57 AM)iheartboost so i know you have that little button. do you think you'll be able to incorporate the stock snifter to shift in manual mode? or will it be some other system like a paddle shift?Yes i had the little joystick just for testing.
Left = Esc.
Rigth = Enter
Up = Up and in Manuel mode upshift
Down = Down and in Manuel mode Downshift
But it would make totally sence to use paddleshifter for up and down.
Regarding the shifter. in automatic mode, it do downshift if you are in 4 gear and pull the leaver in to 3 then it will shift down to 3.
But are you thinking of the newer leaver where you have the +/- sign ?
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
11-20-2011, 04:30 PM
#14
maybe just a whole different assembly for racing?
idk just talking out my ass more or less haha
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
11-20-2011, 04:30 PM #14yea a bump up and down. I doubt the stock shifter could be modified in that manner.
maybe just a whole different assembly for racing?
idk just talking out my ass more or less haha
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
11-21-2011, 01:35 PM
#15
(11-20-2011, 04:30 PM)iheartboost yea a bump up and down. I doubt the stock shifter could be modified in that manner.
maybe just a whole different assembly for racing?
idk just talking out my ass more or less haha
Ha Ha no problem.
The controller now know witch gear you are in P-R-N-D-4-3-2-1
But i actually only need to know PRND, for it to work.
If you think race, 2 simple microswitch on any shifter would work. (manual mode)
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(11-20-2011, 04:30 PM)iheartboost yea a bump up and down. I doubt the stock shifter could be modified in that manner.
maybe just a whole different assembly for racing?
idk just talking out my ass more or less haha
Ha Ha no problem.
The controller now know witch gear you are in P-R-N-D-4-3-2-1
But i actually only need to know PRND, for it to work.
If you think race, 2 simple microswitch on any shifter would work. (manual mode)
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
12-23-2011, 02:37 PM
#16
Just bougt the AMG Paddleshifter on ebay
And made the interface for my Controller
The god thing is that i still only need the 2 wire going true the sterring collum, i thing i call it gearcolum in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gg0ejD0YA
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Soon paddleShifter in the car :-)
Just bougt the AMG Paddleshifter on ebay
And made the interface for my Controller
The god thing is that i still only need the 2 wire going true the sterring collum, i thing i call it gearcolum in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gg0ejD0YA
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
12-23-2011, 10:52 PM
#17
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
iheartboost
12-23-2011, 10:52 PM #17man thats cool!
1998 E300TD 7.5mm pump and hx35 to come!
00 Mustang gt drift car
12-29-2011, 02:57 PM
#18
As it comes from a V8 i had to change the Converter housing and the converter.
Thanks to Drake for the description.
I has totally great shifts :-)
But the bad thing is that there is still issues in 3 to 4 gear, damn. but better as the old ones.
Attached Files
Image(s)1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Just mountet the SLK 55 AMG gearbox on my OM606.
As it comes from a V8 i had to change the Converter housing and the converter.
Thanks to Drake for the description.
I has totally great shifts :-)
But the bad thing is that there is still issues in 3 to 4 gear, damn. but better as the old ones.
Attached Files
Image(s)1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
12-29-2011, 03:01 PM
#19
How much torg you have on 606? Did any reinforce that AMG box?
Guestion age
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
Hi Ole. What was that previous box? Why change?
How much torg you have on 606? Did any reinforce that AMG box?
Guestion age
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-29-2011, 03:12 PM
#20
(12-29-2011, 03:01 PM)jeemu Hi Ole. What was that previous box? Why change?
How much torg you have on 606? Did any reinforce that AMG box?
Guestion age
Hi the old was history in 3 - 4 gear
The old was standart from OM606 Turbo
Nothing has been done to the AMG just mounted as i received it.
it is a year 2004 gearbox
torg i think around 600 Nm best guess 2 bar + myna you know.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(12-29-2011, 03:01 PM)jeemu Hi Ole. What was that previous box? Why change?
How much torg you have on 606? Did any reinforce that AMG box?
Guestion age
Hi the old was history in 3 - 4 gear
The old was standart from OM606 Turbo
Nothing has been done to the AMG just mounted as i received it.
it is a year 2004 gearbox
torg i think around 600 Nm best guess 2 bar + myna you know.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
12-29-2011, 03:49 PM
#21
I try to reinforce that 5wa580 what i have, as i think at it can hold up my tiny engine, but boy i love those nitrous
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
Really nice hold up that 606 box. Is that AMG 580nm box.
I try to reinforce that 5wa580 what i have, as i think at it can hold up my tiny engine, but boy i love those nitrous
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
12-29-2011, 03:58 PM
#22
(12-29-2011, 03:49 PM)jeemu Really nice hold up that 606 box. Is that AMG 580nm box.
I try to reinforce that 5wa580 what i have, as i think at it can hold up my tiny engine, but boy i love those nitrous
Yes it is the 722.636 580 Nm
Tomorrow i will try ewerything to adjust the shift between 3 to 4 better.
of course you run nitros now, you crasy man
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
(12-29-2011, 03:49 PM)jeemu Really nice hold up that 606 box. Is that AMG 580nm box.
I try to reinforce that 5wa580 what i have, as i think at it can hold up my tiny engine, but boy i love those nitrous
Yes it is the 722.636 580 Nm
Tomorrow i will try ewerything to adjust the shift between 3 to 4 better.
of course you run nitros now, you crasy man
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
12-29-2011, 06:23 PM
#23
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
Jeemu what do you think is max safe torque for w580 722.6 transmission?
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
12-30-2011, 04:06 AM
#24
(12-29-2011, 06:23 PM)majesty78 Jeemu what do you think is max safe torque for w580 722.6 transmission?Hi. I have told at ican handle 700nm, but dont know for sure. I reinforce my own so i dont have to test it.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(12-29-2011, 06:23 PM)majesty78 Jeemu what do you think is max safe torque for w580 722.6 transmission?Hi. I have told at ican handle 700nm, but dont know for sure. I reinforce my own so i dont have to test it.
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
01-01-2012, 08:09 PM
#25
But you will be braking almost all of the drive line components before the trans. And these numbers are related to heavier cars than ours. The chrysler lx cars are 4,000 lbs and this is about their limit.
whipplem104
01-01-2012, 08:09 PM #25Stock transmissions can handle a lot more torque with standalone control because of pressure control. But they are limited to around 5-600 wtq if you are trying to put it down with drag slicks.
But you will be braking almost all of the drive line components before the trans. And these numbers are related to heavier cars than ours. The chrysler lx cars are 4,000 lbs and this is about their limit.
01-05-2012, 05:13 AM
#26
that engine has 580nm and 408hp and the gearbox is not electronic
and it is not very expensive in europe
greets johan
This post was last modified: 01-05-2012, 05:14 AM by johan84.
01-22-2012, 11:58 AM
#27
So mutch more fun ;-)
if rotated wrong watch in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09fxRZ5vmU
This post was last modified: 01-22-2012, 12:02 PM by olefejer.
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
Yes Paddle is in and working
So mutch more fun ;-)
if rotated wrong watch in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09fxRZ5vmU
1996 MB SL320 Now OM606 7 mm pump elements (myna), KKD manifold, HE341VE, 3,5" downpipe, 3" exhaust, big IC, 722.6 gearbox controller, also controls (Turbo VNT, EGT, BOOST, EGP.)
01-28-2012, 03:11 PM
#29
(01-22-2012, 11:58 AM)olefejer Yes Paddle is in and workingThat is really nice
So mutch more fun ;-)
if rotated wrong watch in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09fxRZ5vmU
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
(01-22-2012, 11:58 AM)olefejer Yes Paddle is in and workingThat is really nice
So mutch more fun ;-)
if rotated wrong watch in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09fxRZ5vmU
OM605 600hp diesel drag car build with BMW E30 chassis
07-07-2012, 02:38 AM
#30
(12-29-2011, 02:57 PM)olefejer Just mountet the SLK 55 AMG gearbox on my OM606.
As it comes from a V8 i had to change the Converter housing and the converter.
Thanks to Drake for the description.
I has totally great shifts :-)
But the bad thing is that there is still issues in 3 to 4 gear, damn. but better as the old ones.
What is stronger in the 722.636 comparing to the standard 722.626 from 606 turbodiesel?
If to read this document http://www.scribd.com/doc/79543640/722-6 on page 10.
It says that quite many gearboxes have the same number of friction and steel discs as the 722.636. It seems that v8 over 5 liters and all v12 have the W5A580 gearbox. Also from looking at different scrapyards it seems that the 722.636 also was in the 270cdi. But w210 with 606td has the W5A580. At least if the document I'm refering to is correct.
Which of all these gearboxes should be the strongest?
Edit:
Sorry my bad. Standard transmission in 300td seems to be 722.608 and should be a W5A330.
This post was last modified: 07-07-2012, 05:53 PM by raudmees.
(12-29-2011, 02:57 PM)olefejer Just mountet the SLK 55 AMG gearbox on my OM606.
As it comes from a V8 i had to change the Converter housing and the converter.
Thanks to Drake for the description.
I has totally great shifts :-)
But the bad thing is that there is still issues in 3 to 4 gear, damn. but better as the old ones.
What is stronger in the 722.636 comparing to the standard 722.626 from 606 turbodiesel?
If to read this document http://www.scribd.com/doc/79543640/722-6 on page 10.
It says that quite many gearboxes have the same number of friction and steel discs as the 722.636. It seems that v8 over 5 liters and all v12 have the W5A580 gearbox. Also from looking at different scrapyards it seems that the 722.636 also was in the 270cdi. But w210 with 606td has the W5A580. At least if the document I'm refering to is correct.
Which of all these gearboxes should be the strongest?
Edit:
Sorry my bad. Standard transmission in 300td seems to be 722.608 and should be a W5A330.
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