need a rev counter for my G with a 606a
need a rev counter for my G with a 606a
02-22-2012, 08:18 AM
#1
i dont mind if its a universal model or out of another vehicle so long as it works...btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
huseyin55amg
02-22-2012, 08:18 AM #1hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine... i dont mind if its a universal model or out of another vehicle so long as it works...
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
02-22-2012, 09:29 AM
#2
If you don't mind doing a hackjob, cheap motorcycle gauge clusters can be used-they sometimes come with a magnet and hall effect sensor to install
This post was last modified: 02-22-2012, 09:30 AM by Simpler=Better.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-22-2012, 09:29 AM #2A hall effect sensor at the crank should be fairly easy to convert to another car, you will need the sensor, the pin sticking out of the harmonic dampener, a tach amplifier, and a gauge to receive the signal. I don't know the details, that's just a good general starting point
If you don't mind doing a hackjob, cheap motorcycle gauge clusters can be used-they sometimes come with a magnet and hall effect sensor to install
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
diesel2fast4u
02-22-2012, 10:45 AM #3Alternator driven tacho is the easiest I think
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
02-22-2012, 01:51 PM
#4
(02-22-2012, 10:45 AM)diesel2fast4u Alternator driven tacho is the easiest I think
will it work off the alternator ?
i also heard crank sensor...??
rgds hus
(02-22-2012, 09:29 AM)Simpler=Better A hall effect sensor at the crank should be fairly easy to convert to another car, you will need the sensor, the pin sticking out of the harmonic dampener, a tach amplifier, and a gauge to receive the signal. I don't know the details, that's just a good general starting point
If you don't mind doing a hackjob, cheap motorcycle gauge clusters can be used-they sometimes come with a magnet and hall effect sensor to install
are these easily sourced i wonder ? universal fitting ?
sounds a bit too technical to me, sorry...! i must pass this info to a mechanic friend of mine.
btw how is rev counter fitted on the 606a originally. electronic connections i presume
This post was last modified: 02-22-2012, 01:59 PM by huseyin55amg.
huseyin55amg
02-22-2012, 01:51 PM #4(02-22-2012, 10:45 AM)diesel2fast4u Alternator driven tacho is the easiest I think
will it work off the alternator ?
i also heard crank sensor...??
rgds hus
(02-22-2012, 09:29 AM)Simpler=Better A hall effect sensor at the crank should be fairly easy to convert to another car, you will need the sensor, the pin sticking out of the harmonic dampener, a tach amplifier, and a gauge to receive the signal. I don't know the details, that's just a good general starting point
If you don't mind doing a hackjob, cheap motorcycle gauge clusters can be used-they sometimes come with a magnet and hall effect sensor to install
are these easily sourced i wonder ? universal fitting ?
sounds a bit too technical to me, sorry...! i must pass this info to a mechanic friend of mine.
btw how is rev counter fitted on the 606a originally. electronic connections i presume
02-22-2012, 09:53 PM
#5
google it
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
02-22-2012, 09:53 PM #5Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
02-26-2012, 01:27 PM
#6
(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
huseyin55amg
02-26-2012, 01:27 PM #6(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
02-26-2012, 03:44 PM
#7
(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
diesel2fast4u
02-26-2012, 03:44 PM #7(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
Grand cherokee WK (OM642)
02-28-2012, 08:16 AM
#8
(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
03-01-2012, 01:52 PM
#9
(02-26-2012, 03:44 PM)diesel2fast4u(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
i understand now
rgds hus
(02-28-2012, 08:16 AM)axel606(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
very valuable info mate , thanks !! my g was a 230 ges . 1987 model . i recently sold the rev counter thinking that it would not work with on a diesel engine
i had a na 603 fitted before this 606a and my mate connected to the alternator i think but it was irratic !! i wish i had not sold it now... i will investigate this now. how long have you had the G ? mick the digger from ireland is the only guy i know the uk that has a 606a in 460 G . are you a member of gwoa or the clubwagen forum? if not i would advice you joined and shared your thoughts and project.
rgds hus55
This post was last modified: 03-01-2012, 02:09 PM by huseyin55amg.
huseyin55amg
03-01-2012, 01:52 PM #9(02-26-2012, 03:44 PM)diesel2fast4u(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg(02-22-2012, 09:53 PM)diesel2fast4u Yes on the W terminal & you have to get a tacho that connects to the W terminal.
google it
please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
i understand now
rgds hus
(02-28-2012, 08:16 AM)axel606(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
very valuable info mate , thanks !! my g was a 230 ges . 1987 model . i recently sold the rev counter thinking that it would not work with on a diesel engine
i had a na 603 fitted before this 606a and my mate connected to the alternator i think but it was irratic !! i wish i had not sold it now... i will investigate this now. how long have you had the G ? mick the digger from ireland is the only guy i know the uk that has a 606a in 460 G . are you a member of gwoa or the clubwagen forum? if not i would advice you joined and shared your thoughts and project.
rgds hus55
03-01-2012, 05:53 PM
#10
(03-01-2012, 01:52 PM)huseyin55amgi have had my 460 lwb since 2004 ,it is a 1989 model it is in mint condition but the 280 petrol engine was a joke whatever way you look at it fitting a detuned sports car engine in a heavy 4x4 is just going to be a hopeless combination it drank fuel and to add insult to injury was badly underpowered .(02-26-2012, 03:44 PM)diesel2fast4u(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
i understand now
rgds hus
(02-28-2012, 08:16 AM)axel606(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
very valuable info mate , thanks !! my g was a 230 ges . 1987 model . i recently sold the rev counter thinking that it would not work with on a diesel engine
how long have you had the G ? mick the digger from ireland is the only guy i know the uk that has a 606a in 460 G . are you a member of gwoa or the clubwagen forum? if not i would advice you joined and shared your thoughts and project.
rgds hus55
the plastic labels are still on the front diff case from new! i was very lucky to get it , it had just 64k miles on from new it now has 84k.the 606.962 i fitted has transformed the vehicle with the 6 speed manual giving a nice spread of ratios but it pulls like a train in the high gears from nothing unlike the 280 petrol that was hopeless put two oldenburg horses in our trailer behind it and it had such little torque it could not hold 55-60 on the flat making you have to run in 4th to get the 280 to be in its sweet spot.
the 606 came from a rotted out w210, i bought a 603 turbo pump from america and had a bosch agent build the 6mm elements from the electronic pump into it , i fitted 603 g wagen mounts onto the 606 block and did some trial fits along with the 716 6xx box i thought the engine sat too high so i lowered the cups on the chassis by 40 mm using a jig.
this mod along with extending the gearbox mount slightly gave a good result, the sump was cut open and extended to miss the axle and also to give a level floor in this application and of course more oil capacity.
the factory turbo has been relocated forward and up to get it away from the big problem of the steering box shaft /engine mount clash.
the 280 radiator was recored with hi flow and extra rows and an iveco 3.5 ton van intercooler fitted infront of the radiator with pockets cut and shaped into the inner wings either side of the radiator and oilcooler.
the gear shift mechanism is beautiful with a lovely smooth shift and it is seems strange to see an avantgard 6 speed leather shifter as you climb up into my g wagen. to drive it is intoxicating it was a lot of work but it just takes the vehicle into a new life the gearing is very good it clips along at 70mph at 3000 rpm in 6th with monster roll on ready to go and if you drop it to down one gear it pulls like an m3.
basically the 606 is boss and has full command of the dead weight of the g wagen that the 280 never had . best regards.
(03-01-2012, 01:52 PM)huseyin55amgi have had my 460 lwb since 2004 ,it is a 1989 model it is in mint condition but the 280 petrol engine was a joke whatever way you look at it fitting a detuned sports car engine in a heavy 4x4 is just going to be a hopeless combination it drank fuel and to add insult to injury was badly underpowered .(02-26-2012, 03:44 PM)diesel2fast4u(02-26-2012, 01:27 PM)huseyin55amg please excuse me, but whats the w terminal
http://www.google.be/search?q=w+terminal+on+alternator
i understand now
rgds hus
(02-28-2012, 08:16 AM)axel606(02-22-2012, 08:18 AM)huseyin55amg hi there. i have a 606a with a mechanical IP fitted to my 87 model G wagen. i want to get rev counter but not sure whats available and compatible with this engine...i have just finished fitting an om606.962 turbo diesel with 6 speed manual box into a 1989 460 lwb 280 petrol (right hand drive). the truck already has a rev counter for the petrol engine which needs 3 pulses every revolution ,does your g wagen already have a rev counter in the dash or is there a blanking plate? (they are vdo and are still available)
btw, where does the rev counter connect to on the 606a with mechanical pump ?
kind rgds hus
if the rev counter is there and the car was petrol the green and yellow wire should be connected into a terminal block mounted on the inner wing located near the windscreen washer pumps the 606a should have a hall sensor picking up the tabs on the flex plate or flywheel it is located on the bellhousing on the engine block next to the oilfilter housing it has two wires one is a bare screen and an inner green core connect the green inner to the green and yellow and the other to the brown wire (earth) on the termination block the rev counter should now work if it wildly overreads it may be a diesel tacho which needs only one pulse rather than 3 i had to trim 3 tabs off my fw to get it correct which i was able to do with a tiny cutting disc on a dremel through the window in the sump for undoing the bolts on the torque converter.
very valuable info mate , thanks !! my g was a 230 ges . 1987 model . i recently sold the rev counter thinking that it would not work with on a diesel engine
how long have you had the G ? mick the digger from ireland is the only guy i know the uk that has a 606a in 460 G . are you a member of gwoa or the clubwagen forum? if not i would advice you joined and shared your thoughts and project.
rgds hus55
the plastic labels are still on the front diff case from new! i was very lucky to get it , it had just 64k miles on from new it now has 84k.the 606.962 i fitted has transformed the vehicle with the 6 speed manual giving a nice spread of ratios but it pulls like a train in the high gears from nothing unlike the 280 petrol that was hopeless put two oldenburg horses in our trailer behind it and it had such little torque it could not hold 55-60 on the flat making you have to run in 4th to get the 280 to be in its sweet spot.
the 606 came from a rotted out w210, i bought a 603 turbo pump from america and had a bosch agent build the 6mm elements from the electronic pump into it , i fitted 603 g wagen mounts onto the 606 block and did some trial fits along with the 716 6xx box i thought the engine sat too high so i lowered the cups on the chassis by 40 mm using a jig.
this mod along with extending the gearbox mount slightly gave a good result, the sump was cut open and extended to miss the axle and also to give a level floor in this application and of course more oil capacity.
the factory turbo has been relocated forward and up to get it away from the big problem of the steering box shaft /engine mount clash.
the 280 radiator was recored with hi flow and extra rows and an iveco 3.5 ton van intercooler fitted infront of the radiator with pockets cut and shaped into the inner wings either side of the radiator and oilcooler.
the gear shift mechanism is beautiful with a lovely smooth shift and it is seems strange to see an avantgard 6 speed leather shifter as you climb up into my g wagen. to drive it is intoxicating it was a lot of work but it just takes the vehicle into a new life the gearing is very good it clips along at 70mph at 3000 rpm in 6th with monster roll on ready to go and if you drop it to down one gear it pulls like an m3.
basically the 606 is boss and has full command of the dead weight of the g wagen that the 280 never had . best regards.
03-02-2012, 03:53 AM
#11
i was thinking of fitting the intercooler from a vito van which is readily available here in n cyprus. what oil cooler did you use ? could you post pics please of the G, engine bay oil/intercooler. would be a great help for future work. it be great if you joined in the clubwagen forum. your G is truely unique condition wise as well as modification wise. whats the transmission out of ? what clutch and plate did you use ? i also want to fit a 6 speed as i run 35 tires and also have the highest diff ratios available for the G [6.17] I am sure i could even run 7 gears.
can you share photos of the rev counter connection ?
so many questions to ask.. whats the noise like at 70 mph and over ? is it more refined than the original ?
my email is hus55@hotmail.co.uk . would appreciate to see photos of this beast.
kind regards hus55
huseyin55amg
03-02-2012, 03:53 AM #11hi there axel. it seems you know exactly what your talking about ! did you do all the work yourself ? i am really impressed . i also fitted the 606a into my cabrio almost 3 years ago now. mine is a lhd cabrio hence why the conversion was quite straight forward. they are a great engine and really transform the driving pleasure of the 460 . infact i plan on fitting the same engine into my other G which has a 3 litre 103 petrol engine. nice engine and refined but no power when you jump out of the cabrio....
i was thinking of fitting the intercooler from a vito van which is readily available here in n cyprus. what oil cooler did you use ? could you post pics please of the G, engine bay oil/intercooler. would be a great help for future work. it be great if you joined in the clubwagen forum. your G is truely unique condition wise as well as modification wise. whats the transmission out of ? what clutch and plate did you use ? i also want to fit a 6 speed as i run 35 tires and also have the highest diff ratios available for the G [6.17] I am sure i could even run 7 gears.
can you share photos of the rev counter connection ?
so many questions to ask.. whats the noise like at 70 mph and over ? is it more refined than the original ?
my email is hus55@hotmail.co.uk . would appreciate to see photos of this beast.
kind regards hus55
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