722 Automatic transmission information
722 Automatic transmission information
06-27-2009, 05:39 AM
#1
This post was last modified: 04-04-2011, 02:51 PM by ForcedInduction.
06-29-2009, 10:04 AM
#2
(06-27-2009, 05:39 AM)ForcedInduction 722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
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This is interesting. I wonder if they were referring to w201 installed 722.4. The '85 Cali w123 with a 617 and a w124 with a 603 engine also had this trans and they had higher torque ratings.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
06-29-2009, 10:04 AM #2(06-27-2009, 05:39 AM)ForcedInduction 722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
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This is interesting. I wonder if they were referring to w201 installed 722.4. The '85 Cali w123 with a 617 and a w124 with a 603 engine also had this trans and they had higher torque ratings.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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06-29-2009, 05:02 PM
#4
(06-29-2009, 10:04 AM)DeliveryValve This is interesting. I wonder if they were referring to w201 installed 722.4. The '85 Cali w123 with a 617 and a w124 with a 603 engine also had this trans and they had higher torque ratings.
I know, it doesn't make much sense to me either. I'm just going off the information I've gathered. The bit about the W4A0x0 torque capacity rating came from one of the Finns so I'm inclined to believe it.
ForcedInduction
06-29-2009, 05:02 PM
#4
(06-29-2009, 10:04 AM)DeliveryValve This is interesting. I wonder if they were referring to w201 installed 722.4. The '85 Cali w123 with a 617 and a w124 with a 603 engine also had this trans and they had higher torque ratings.
I know, it doesn't make much sense to me either. I'm just going off the information I've gathered. The bit about the W4A0x0 torque capacity rating came from one of the Finns so I'm inclined to believe it.
07-01-2009, 09:16 AM
#5
(06-27-2009, 05:39 AM)ForcedInduction 722.0 (W3A040)- 290lb/ft
722.1 (W4B020 or W4B025)- 145/180lb/ft
722.2 (W4B025)- 180lb/ft
722.3 (W4A040)- 290lb/ft
722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
722.5 (W5A030)- 216lb/ft
722.6 (W5A580)- 578lb/ft
Well, my 79 300SD is about screwed (722.1), my wagon should be alright for a little while (722.3), and my CDI has plenty of room to go (722.6)! Now I know why the SD cuts back power in first gear....
John Robbins
'05 E320 CDI - 118k - Faaaaaast!!
'87 300TD - 317k - Cracked head... but an OM606 is on the way!
'79 300SD - 295k - Bad engine = project car!
(06-27-2009, 05:39 AM)ForcedInduction 722.0 (W3A040)- 290lb/ft
722.1 (W4B020 or W4B025)- 145/180lb/ft
722.2 (W4B025)- 180lb/ft
722.3 (W4A040)- 290lb/ft
722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
722.5 (W5A030)- 216lb/ft
722.6 (W5A580)- 578lb/ft
Well, my 79 300SD is about screwed (722.1), my wagon should be alright for a little while (722.3), and my CDI has plenty of room to go (722.6)! Now I know why the SD cuts back power in first gear....
John Robbins
'05 E320 CDI - 118k - Faaaaaast!!
'87 300TD - 317k - Cracked head... but an OM606 is on the way!
'79 300SD - 295k - Bad engine = project car!
07-02-2009, 11:28 PM
#6
I never knew there were so many differences on W123's. The more I learn about them the more I see how different they are year to year.
I can't wait to look at what trans I have, in the car and others lying around.
I guess stall speeds never changed though.
GileadGarage
07-02-2009, 11:28 PM #6Wow, thats good info.
I never knew there were so many differences on W123's. The more I learn about them the more I see how different they are year to year.
I can't wait to look at what trans I have, in the car and others lying around.
I guess stall speeds never changed though.
07-03-2009, 08:55 AM
#7
(07-02-2009, 11:28 PM)GileadGarage I guess stall speeds never changed though.
The '85 torque converter has like 2400rpm stall speed, right?
GREASY_BEAST
07-03-2009, 08:55 AM #7(07-02-2009, 11:28 PM)GileadGarage I guess stall speeds never changed though.
The '85 torque converter has like 2400rpm stall speed, right?
07-05-2009, 02:44 AM
#9
(07-03-2009, 09:40 AM)Motorhead Will the '85 722.4 torque converter slide right into the '84 722.3 trans, I was wondering if the pump and input shafts were still the same?
No.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
07-05-2009, 02:44 AM #9(07-03-2009, 09:40 AM)Motorhead Will the '85 722.4 torque converter slide right into the '84 722.3 trans, I was wondering if the pump and input shafts were still the same?
No.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
07-09-2009, 12:16 AM
#11
'Jurgen' - 1982 300sd cream paint with palimino MB tex interior. Now running with new cooling system
.......discovered oil cooler has pinhole @#$%@
Nitrile gloves back on......'Otto' - 1985 300sd anthracite? grey/silver? with grey leather interior. (heated front seats!!!!
) Euro headlightsMods are in the works...
Telecommbrkr
07-09-2009, 12:16 AM #11Did I read correctly somewhere else here, that one could put 722.6 guts into older cases?
'Jurgen' - 1982 300sd cream paint with palimino MB tex interior. Now running with new cooling system
.......discovered oil cooler has pinhole @#$%@ Nitrile gloves back on......'Otto' - 1985 300sd anthracite? grey/silver? with grey leather interior. (heated front seats!!!!
) Euro headlightsMods are in the works...
07-14-2009, 04:37 PM
#12
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EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
Is there any turn:psi to the .3 modulator adjustment?
EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
EDIT 2: More info found.
This post was last modified: 07-14-2009, 05:26 PM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
07-14-2009, 04:37 PM
#12
Is there any turn:psi to the .3 modulator adjustment?
EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
Is there any turn:psi to the .3 modulator adjustment?
EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
EDIT 2: More info found.
10-16-2009, 04:13 PM
#13
It's a non-factory service manual for the 722 trans. 100+ pages in pdf. Enjoy.
http://xxxxxxxxxxx/722-3%20722-4.pdf
This post was last modified: 10-16-2009, 04:27 PM by ForcedInduction.
I know some people are against free downloads but I'm not giving this away. I'm simply telling you where it is.
It's a non-factory service manual for the 722 trans. 100+ pages in pdf. Enjoy.
http://xxxxxxxxxxx/722-3%20722-4.pdf
10-16-2009, 04:27 PM
#14
(10-16-2009, 04:13 PM)mcb I know some people are against free downloads but I'm not giving this away.
Sorry, its copyrighted material.
You can purchase the book mcb linked to here: http://atsg.com/cart/products/Mercedes_7...104-3.html
ForcedInduction
10-16-2009, 04:27 PM
#14
(10-16-2009, 04:13 PM)mcb I know some people are against free downloads but I'm not giving this away.
Sorry, its copyrighted material.
You can purchase the book mcb linked to here: http://atsg.com/cart/products/Mercedes_7...104-3.html
06-24-2010, 10:04 AM
#17
Especially the later ones- 722.5 and up. This would be helpful for anyone doing 603 swaps and possibly for someone (maybe me?) who might try a "franken 5-speed" auto box
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
I'd like to see a list in this thread of the inputs needed for each transmission to function correctly. And whether electronically or mechanically controlled.
Especially the later ones- 722.5 and up. This would be helpful for anyone doing 603 swaps and possibly for someone (maybe me?) who might try a "franken 5-speed" auto box
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
08-04-2010, 09:36 AM
#18
(07-14-2009, 04:37 PM)ForcedInduction Is there any turn:psi to the .3 modulator adjustment?
EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
Hello
Is it one complete turn(360 degrees) you mean?
Do i only need to loosen those 2 bolts and turn it with the clock to get a little harder shift?
Best regards
This post was last modified: 08-04-2010, 11:05 AM by BRABUS.
(07-14-2009, 04:37 PM)ForcedInduction Is there any turn:psi to the .3 modulator adjustment?
EDIT: Just got a fast e-mail response from Sun Valley Mercedes
Quote:One turn is approximately 10 P.S.I.
Hello
Is it one complete turn(360 degrees) you mean?
Do i only need to loosen those 2 bolts and turn it with the clock to get a little harder shift?
Best regards
08-04-2010, 06:06 PM
#19
(08-04-2010, 09:36 AM)BRABUS Is it one complete turn(360 degrees) you mean?
Quote:Do i only need to loosen those 2 bolts and turn it with the clock to get a little harder shift?There is only a rubber cap over the t-bar.
ForcedInduction
08-04-2010, 06:06 PM
#19
(08-04-2010, 09:36 AM)BRABUS Is it one complete turn(360 degrees) you mean?
Quote:Do i only need to loosen those 2 bolts and turn it with the clock to get a little harder shift?There is only a rubber cap over the t-bar.
09-05-2010, 03:44 AM
#20
ForcedInduction
09-05-2010, 03:44 AM
#20
I found a good picture showing the case differences from the 722.3 and 722.4
09-09-2010, 03:38 AM
#23
The torque which those trannys can handle is NOT validated through the last 2 numbers of the W5A/B... numbers.
There are so many different variances of all aof those transmissions, like 722.1/2/3/4/5/6xx which all have different torque ratings.
So there are per example 722.5 transmissions which are rated up to 1080Nm coming in the 12Cylinder AMG engines, and 722.9 transmissions rated up to 735Nm.
The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled. 722.6 is fully electronic controlled without brake bands but friction discs.
722.623 has per example the above stated 580Nm torque handling capacity, but there are also 722.6xx transmissions rated to only 330Nm...
Regards, Alex
I´ve talked to an MB Transmission technican today, and must say, that the information posted here is unfortunately false.
The torque which those trannys can handle is NOT validated through the last 2 numbers of the W5A/B... numbers.
There are so many different variances of all aof those transmissions, like 722.1/2/3/4/5/6xx which all have different torque ratings.
So there are per example 722.5 transmissions which are rated up to 1080Nm coming in the 12Cylinder AMG engines, and 722.9 transmissions rated up to 735Nm.
The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled. 722.6 is fully electronic controlled without brake bands but friction discs.
722.623 has per example the above stated 580Nm torque handling capacity, but there are also 722.6xx transmissions rated to only 330Nm...
Regards, Alex
Taifun
Unregistered
09-15-2010, 12:43 AM
#25
"The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled."
Can you ask MB Transmission technican about 722.3 and 722.4, what max input torque for this transmissions? 1080 Nm as a 722.5 transmissions? Sorry for bad English.
Thank you so much.
Taifun
09-15-2010, 12:43 AM #25majesty78
"The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled."
Can you ask MB Transmission technican about 722.3 and 722.4, what max input torque for this transmissions? 1080 Nm as a 722.5 transmissions? Sorry for bad English.
Thank you so much.
12-15-2010, 11:22 PM
#26
.......bad news! it will cost between 4500 and 6000 dollars to actually do it......ok, so my 300sd is an 85 federal model...are there ANY other transmissions that are direct bolt ons that will handle a REASONABLE amount of power, say 300 hp? what about a 722.4? any suggestions? this whole darn thing would sure be a lot easier if a trans from say, a 500sel would just bolt right up..but NOOOOO, and yes, i do have the goods to make that kind of power ready to go, but it won't do any good if the tranny can't play nice....thanks guys!! hope your all havin as much fun as I am with this stuff
Oh, and what's THIS?... Where's yer Lamborghini, Big Shot?
Good news! I found a transmission specialist who is experienced with the mercedes 722 series trannys, and has the knowledge to and a source for parts to upgrade my 722.3 to handle , oh say, 400hp.......bad news! it will cost between 4500 and 6000 dollars to actually do it......ok, so my 300sd is an 85 federal model...are there ANY other transmissions that are direct bolt ons that will handle a REASONABLE amount of power, say 300 hp? what about a 722.4? any suggestions? this whole darn thing would sure be a lot easier if a trans from say, a 500sel would just bolt right up..but NOOOOO, and yes, i do have the goods to make that kind of power ready to go, but it won't do any good if the tranny can't play nice....thanks guys!! hope your all havin as much fun as I am with this stuff
Oh, and what's THIS?... Where's yer Lamborghini, Big Shot?
12-16-2010, 08:36 AM
#27
This post was last modified: 12-16-2010, 08:42 AM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
12-16-2010, 08:36 AM
#27
Nope. Everything post-1985 is left side starter that would require major fabrication to make fit. Gut-swapping is pretty much the only option unless you swap in a 603/606. The 450SEL 6.9 had 400lb/ft torque and right hand starter, but it was a 3-speed.
12-18-2010, 02:24 PM
#28
(09-05-2010, 03:44 AM)ForcedInduction I found a good picture showing the case differences from the 722.3 and 722.4
what one is the 722.3? i take it its the bigger one so it has more room for bigger clutches. i just wanna make sure, im looking to buy a 300sd and tune up the engine alittle i just dont wanna end up with a trans thats gunna blow up right away
(09-05-2010, 03:44 AM)ForcedInduction I found a good picture showing the case differences from the 722.3 and 722.4
what one is the 722.3? i take it its the bigger one so it has more room for bigger clutches. i just wanna make sure, im looking to buy a 300sd and tune up the engine alittle i just dont wanna end up with a trans thats gunna blow up right away
ForcedInduction
12-18-2010, 06:19 PM
#29
722.4 is the smaller one made for the W201 series and its small engines.
01-07-2011, 02:31 AM
#31
(01-03-2011, 07:41 PM)krashappy My parts guy shared that the 722.4 came on a 1991-93 300SL, and led me to believe that this was an all hydraulic 5 spd. Can this be true?
I think your describing a 722.5
It's hydraulic 1-4th gears but I think it has an electronic actuator to go from 4th to 5th. It mates up to the om60x motors.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
(01-03-2011, 07:41 PM)krashappy My parts guy shared that the 722.4 came on a 1991-93 300SL, and led me to believe that this was an all hydraulic 5 spd. Can this be true?
I think your describing a 722.5
It's hydraulic 1-4th gears but I think it has an electronic actuator to go from 4th to 5th. It mates up to the om60x motors.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
01-20-2011, 06:49 PM
#32
1) Torque is measured in force*distance, lb/ft is not a unit of torque.
2) The 722.4 spec of 145 ft*lb above is bogus (if it's actually supposed to be in ft*lb). My OM602 makes 168 ft*lb of torque stock through it's 722.4.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
2 corrections:
1) Torque is measured in force*distance, lb/ft is not a unit of torque.
2) The 722.4 spec of 145 ft*lb above is bogus (if it's actually supposed to be in ft*lb). My OM602 makes 168 ft*lb of torque stock through it's 722.4.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
01-20-2011, 07:12 PM
#33
(01-20-2011, 07:05 PM)OM617a False.
FYI; Pounds is a unit of force and a foot is a unit of distance.
? my problem wasn't with the units of force and distance, but with the division rather than multiplication. lb*ft (pounds multiplied by feet) is a unit of torque, lb/ft (pounds divided by feet) is not.
(01-20-2011, 07:05 PM)OM617a Incorrect. Its common for manufacturers to underspec equipment.
I don't think Mercedes would spec their own transmissions significantly lower than the engines they use with them. I'd expect them to be able to handle more then the specs say, but not for their own specs to show the transmissions unsuitable for the applications they sell them in.
This post was last modified: 01-20-2011, 07:14 PM by casioqv.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
(01-20-2011, 07:05 PM)OM617a False.
FYI; Pounds is a unit of force and a foot is a unit of distance.
? my problem wasn't with the units of force and distance, but with the division rather than multiplication. lb*ft (pounds multiplied by feet) is a unit of torque, lb/ft (pounds divided by feet) is not.
(01-20-2011, 07:05 PM)OM617a Incorrect. Its common for manufacturers to underspec equipment.
I don't think Mercedes would spec their own transmissions significantly lower than the engines they use with them. I'd expect them to be able to handle more then the specs say, but not for their own specs to show the transmissions unsuitable for the applications they sell them in.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
01-21-2011, 10:48 AM
#34
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a(01-20-2011, 07:12 PM)casioqv ? my problem wasn't with the units of force and distance, but with the division rather than multiplication.Your problem is that you don't understand how the English language is used in this context..
Casioqv is correct. Torque is measured as force*distance. Not force/distance
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a(01-20-2011, 07:12 PM)casioqv ? my problem wasn't with the units of force and distance, but with the division rather than multiplication.Your problem is that you don't understand how the English language is used in this context..
Casioqv is correct. Torque is measured as force*distance. Not force/distance
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
01-21-2011, 04:56 PM
#35
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a Your problem is that you don't understand how the English language is used in this context.
This isn't English, it's math. Mathematics is a language by itself, with clearly defined standardized rules. I've taken several physics courses taught by professors whom spoke *zero* English and fully understood the lectures from the mathematics alone.
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a Then don't look at the specs.
No competent engineer would design a car with a transmission spec'd far below the engines they used with them. It violates the most basic principle of engineering "CYA."
The information in this thread is verifiably incorrect, and it should be un-stickied in my opinion.
I'm not interested in convincing or arguing with you any further, but subsequent readers can use their own judgment to make a decision on weather to believe and use this information.
This post was last modified: 01-21-2011, 05:02 PM by casioqv.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a Your problem is that you don't understand how the English language is used in this context.
This isn't English, it's math. Mathematics is a language by itself, with clearly defined standardized rules. I've taken several physics courses taught by professors whom spoke *zero* English and fully understood the lectures from the mathematics alone.
(01-21-2011, 08:21 AM)OM617a Then don't look at the specs.
No competent engineer would design a car with a transmission spec'd far below the engines they used with them. It violates the most basic principle of engineering "CYA."
The information in this thread is verifiably incorrect, and it should be un-stickied in my opinion.
I'm not interested in convincing or arguing with you any further, but subsequent readers can use their own judgment to make a decision on weather to believe and use this information.
-Tyler
1984 Volvo 760GLE Turbo Diesel D24T/M46
1986 Isuzu Trooper Turbo Diesel
No mercedes (for now)
01-23-2011, 11:14 AM
#36
(01-21-2011, 10:48 AM)Syncro_G Casioqv is correct. Torque is measured as force*distance. Not force/distance
Incorrect, you both have failed to understand that lb/ft is a term used as a description of torque.
Please stop polluting my thread with your useless posts.
(01-21-2011, 04:56 PM)casioqv No competent engineer would design a car with a transmission spec'd far below the engines they used with them.Nobody suggested an engineer did anything of the sort, bean counters are in control of final assembly.
Quote:and it should be un-stickied in my opinion.The solution is simple, STOP READING THE THREAD.
Those that want accurate information may continue to view this thread.
Quote:I'm not interested in convincing or arguing with you any furtherYes, please run away.
This post was last modified: 01-23-2011, 11:16 AM by ForcedInduction.
ForcedInduction
01-23-2011, 11:14 AM
#36
(01-21-2011, 10:48 AM)Syncro_G Casioqv is correct. Torque is measured as force*distance. Not force/distance
Incorrect, you both have failed to understand that lb/ft is a term used as a description of torque.
Please stop polluting my thread with your useless posts.
(01-21-2011, 04:56 PM)casioqv No competent engineer would design a car with a transmission spec'd far below the engines they used with them.Nobody suggested an engineer did anything of the sort, bean counters are in control of final assembly.
Quote:and it should be un-stickied in my opinion.The solution is simple, STOP READING THE THREAD.
Those that want accurate information may continue to view this thread.
Quote:I'm not interested in convincing or arguing with you any furtherYes, please run away.
01-23-2011, 04:01 PM
#37
(01-23-2011, 11:14 AM)ForcedInduction Incorrect, you both have failed to understand that lb/ft is a term used as a description of torque.
Incorrect. It is lb*ft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
Guess you can't win em all.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(01-23-2011, 11:14 AM)ForcedInduction Incorrect, you both have failed to understand that lb/ft is a term used as a description of torque.
Incorrect. It is lb*ft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
Guess you can't win em all.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
04-25-2011, 10:47 PM
#38
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-25-2011, 10:47 PM #38What is the difference between a 722.303 ('80 300SD) and a 722.315 ('82 300D Turbo)?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
04-26-2011, 03:02 AM
#39
(04-25-2011, 10:47 PM)Captain America What is the difference between a 722.303 ('80 300SD) and a 722.315 ('82 300D Turbo)?
Actually a 1980 300SD had the 722.120 transmission. The 1981 had the 722.303..... Details, details.
The difference between the .303 and .315 is the tail. .303 is setup for the electronic speedo and the .315 is setup for a mechanical speedo.
Tail swap is straight forward. So for your swap, use the better trans.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
04-26-2011, 03:02 AM #39(04-25-2011, 10:47 PM)Captain America What is the difference between a 722.303 ('80 300SD) and a 722.315 ('82 300D Turbo)?
Actually a 1980 300SD had the 722.120 transmission. The 1981 had the 722.303..... Details, details.
The difference between the .303 and .315 is the tail. .303 is setup for the electronic speedo and the .315 is setup for a mechanical speedo.
Tail swap is straight forward. So for your swap, use the better trans.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
04-28-2011, 01:06 AM
#40
(04-26-2011, 03:02 AM)DeliveryValve(04-25-2011, 10:47 PM)Captain America What is the difference between a 722.303 ('80 300SD) and a 722.315 ('82 300D Turbo)?
Actually a 1980 300SD had the 722.120 transmission. The 1981 had the 722.303..... Details, details.
The difference between the .303 and .315 is the tail. .303 is setup for the electronic speedo and the .315 is setup for a mechanical speedo.
Tail swap is straight forward. So for your swap, use the better trans.
.
Nice catch DV! Thank you sir! My mistake haha I have too many Benzo's!
Is there a way to get the trans info back up?
This post was last modified: 04-28-2011, 01:10 AM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
04-28-2011, 01:06 AM #40(04-26-2011, 03:02 AM)DeliveryValve(04-25-2011, 10:47 PM)Captain America What is the difference between a 722.303 ('80 300SD) and a 722.315 ('82 300D Turbo)?
Actually a 1980 300SD had the 722.120 transmission. The 1981 had the 722.303..... Details, details.
The difference between the .303 and .315 is the tail. .303 is setup for the electronic speedo and the .315 is setup for a mechanical speedo.
Tail swap is straight forward. So for your swap, use the better trans.
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Nice catch DV! Thank you sir! My mistake haha I have too many Benzo's!
Is there a way to get the trans info back up?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
05-19-2011, 01:51 AM
#41
the transmission can really handle
i think the strongest automatic 722.6 is the 722.649 this is connected
to the 65 amg and handle 1000nm
is there some how now what is the differents between the
722.6xx series for expample what is the differents between the
722.608 300 td diesel
722.623 some v8 petrols
722.649 e65 amg,s
i though it will only be the torque converter and some differents
in shifting?? why ?
i found this on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G-Tronic
here is standing that a the 5g-tronic (722.5 and 722.6) can handle
""796lb/ft"" this 1079 nm
This post was last modified: 05-19-2011, 02:01 AM by johan84.
much info but not sure yet how much
the transmission can really handle
i think the strongest automatic 722.6 is the 722.649 this is connected
to the 65 amg and handle 1000nm
is there some how now what is the differents between the
722.6xx series for expample what is the differents between the
722.608 300 td diesel
722.623 some v8 petrols
722.649 e65 amg,s
i though it will only be the torque converter and some differents
in shifting?? why ?
i found this on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G-Tronic
here is standing that a the 5g-tronic (722.5 and 722.6) can handle
""796lb/ft"" this 1079 nm
05-19-2011, 02:10 AM
#42
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
Internals are different, stronger boxes have different friction discs or more of them to handle higher torque, different planetary gears and i guess also different torque converter.
Mercedes Benz W210 E-Class 320CDI, lowered 2.5", 18" AMG wheels, Decat, EGR removed, Tumble flaps removed, C30 AMG injectors, 400kpa MAP, Custom GT2566XTV turbo, SW tweaked to 300+hp/750Nm
06-06-2011, 11:53 PM
#44
722.1 (W4B020 or W4B025)- 145/180lb/ft
722.2 (W4B025)- 180lb/ft
722.3 (W4A040)- 290lb/ft
722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
722.5 (W5A030)- 216lb/ft
722.6 (W5A580)- 578lb/ft
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-06-2011, 11:53 PM #44722.0 (W3A040)- 290lb/ft
722.1 (W4B020 or W4B025)- 145/180lb/ft
722.2 (W4B025)- 180lb/ft
722.3 (W4A040)- 290lb/ft
722.4 (W4A020)- 145lb/ft
722.5 (W5A030)- 216lb/ft
722.6 (W5A580)- 578lb/ft
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
denkoleso
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09-18-2011, 04:24 AM
#45
(09-09-2010, 03:38 AM)majesty78 I´ve talked to an MB Transmission technican today, and must say, that the information posted here is unfortunately false.Hi,sorry for my english,I'm automatic transmission rebuilder and mercedes fanatic.Alex,sorry but your technician is no very good.722.5 never was coupled with V12 only 722.3 and 722.6 .722.5 is no 722.4 with OD,but 722.3 with electronicaly aktivated OD,like chrysler transmissions.Most problems in 722.5 is OD,it is cause why rated torque for 722.5 is smaller when for 722.3. The 722.3 is very best transmission in mercedes,if this transmission was with 6.0 v12 and 7.2 v12 it can handle much power.this year in my shop was an W140 7.2 Koenig all internals frictions,steel,bands,planetary was standart,not tuning ,but this engine is
The torque which those trannys can handle is NOT validated through the last 2 numbers of the W5A/B... numbers.
There are so many different variances of all aof those transmissions, like 722.1/2/3/4/5/6xx which all have different torque ratings.
So there are per example 722.5 transmissions which are rated up to 1080Nm coming in the 12Cylinder AMG engines, and 722.9 transmissions rated up to 735Nm.
The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled. 722.6 is fully electronic controlled without brake bands but friction discs.
722.623 has per example the above stated 580Nm torque handling capacity, but there are also 722.6xx transmissions rated to only 330Nm...
Regards, Alex
up to 405 kw / 550 HP / 760 nm rated.The 722.4 is "-zoom"copy of 722.3
all clutch packs ,bands is smaller in diameter,inner plate career was aluminium,but valve body is same,oil pump is bearing style,governor helical gears plastic.722.3 and 722.4 is all hydraulik controlled only kickdown is activated with solenoid like in THM400,and 722.5 added solenoid for OD. The 722.6 is the best 5 speed in world (its my opinion,like MB is the best),if you want much torque is no need to upgrade you 722.3 for "cost between 4500 and 6000 dollars to actually do it" is very expensive, best way is to add an controller to 722.6 ,you can bolt on all bellhousings without problems(if you have 722.6 from an s500 you can bolt on bellhousing from l6 and bolt to you 606.912 add fuel
).If this trans work with 6.1 hemi with 606 will too.denkoleso
09-18-2011, 04:24 AM #45(09-09-2010, 03:38 AM)majesty78 I´ve talked to an MB Transmission technican today, and must say, that the information posted here is unfortunately false.Hi,sorry for my english,I'm automatic transmission rebuilder and mercedes fanatic.Alex,sorry but your technician is no very good.722.5 never was coupled with V12 only 722.3 and 722.6 .722.5 is no 722.4 with OD,but 722.3 with electronicaly aktivated OD,like chrysler transmissions.Most problems in 722.5 is OD,it is cause why rated torque for 722.5 is smaller when for 722.3. The 722.3 is very best transmission in mercedes,if this transmission was with 6.0 v12 and 7.2 v12 it can handle much power.this year in my shop was an W140 7.2 Koenig all internals frictions,steel,bands,planetary was standart,not tuning ,but this engine is
The torque which those trannys can handle is NOT validated through the last 2 numbers of the W5A/B... numbers.
There are so many different variances of all aof those transmissions, like 722.1/2/3/4/5/6xx which all have different torque ratings.
So there are per example 722.5 transmissions which are rated up to 1080Nm coming in the 12Cylinder AMG engines, and 722.9 transmissions rated up to 735Nm.
The 722.4 per example is an fully hydraulic actuated transmission (besides 2 soleniods), with brake bands, 722.5 is actually an 722.4 but extended with an 5th gear which is electronically controlled. 722.6 is fully electronic controlled without brake bands but friction discs.
722.623 has per example the above stated 580Nm torque handling capacity, but there are also 722.6xx transmissions rated to only 330Nm...
Regards, Alex
up to 405 kw / 550 HP / 760 nm rated.The 722.4 is "-zoom"copy of 722.3
all clutch packs ,bands is smaller in diameter,inner plate career was aluminium,but valve body is same,oil pump is bearing style,governor helical gears plastic.722.3 and 722.4 is all hydraulik controlled only kickdown is activated with solenoid like in THM400,and 722.5 added solenoid for OD. The 722.6 is the best 5 speed in world (its my opinion,like MB is the best),if you want much torque is no need to upgrade you 722.3 for "cost between 4500 and 6000 dollars to actually do it" is very expensive, best way is to add an controller to 722.6 ,you can bolt on all bellhousings without problems(if you have 722.6 from an s500 you can bolt on bellhousing from l6 and bolt to you 606.912 add fuel
).If this trans work with 6.1 hemi with 606 will too.
11-24-2011, 01:42 PM
#46
Just picked up a 722.5 Trans (in need of a rebiuld) was thinking about installing it in my 1987 190DT.
Have plans upon swapping in the diff from a 190e16V. Either the 3.07 or 3.27
I think the lower gear ratio combined with an overdrive gear it should perform much better.
Have the 16v sway bars and front brakes with drilled rotors on all 4 corners with 6X16 AMG Penta wheels (1986 vintage) 205/55/16.
Some issues:
converting trans to a speedo cable and controlling 5 gear lock up (maybe a floor shifter with the "B" gear lock up and a push botton switch for overdrive?)
Any advice?
All So:
WTB a set of injectors for the OM602 (with threads on the bottom) and an IP pump (both need to be at a reasonable price I am car poor - have too many of those thangs!!!)
tinchariot
11-24-2011, 01:42 PM #46 HI All
Just picked up a 722.5 Trans (in need of a rebiuld) was thinking about installing it in my 1987 190DT.
Have plans upon swapping in the diff from a 190e16V. Either the 3.07 or 3.27
I think the lower gear ratio combined with an overdrive gear it should perform much better.
Have the 16v sway bars and front brakes with drilled rotors on all 4 corners with 6X16 AMG Penta wheels (1986 vintage) 205/55/16.
Some issues:
converting trans to a speedo cable and controlling 5 gear lock up (maybe a floor shifter with the "B" gear lock up and a push botton switch for overdrive?)
Any advice?
All So:
WTB a set of injectors for the OM602 (with threads on the bottom) and an IP pump (both need to be at a reasonable price I am car poor - have too many of those thangs!!!)
01-11-2012, 04:40 PM
#47
thanks for that info!
so is there any other option for a manual 5 or 6 speed that can hold 750NM of my 606 turbo? i had 3 717.433 that is not a good option
what abaut a 716 6 speed manual? is there a good option that hold more torque?
thx
hansebanger77
01-11-2012, 04:40 PM #47hi denkoleso!
thanks for that info!
so is there any other option for a manual 5 or 6 speed that can hold 750NM of my 606 turbo? i had 3 717.433 that is not a good option
what abaut a 716 6 speed manual? is there a good option that hold more torque?
thx
01-12-2012, 11:12 AM
#48
(11-24-2011, 01:42 PM)tinchariot HI All
Just picked up a 722.5 Trans (in need of a rebiuld) was thinking about installing it in my 1987 190DT.
Have plans upon swapping in the diff from a 190e16V. Either the 3.07 or 3.27
I think the lower gear ratio combined with an overdrive gear it should perform much better.
Have the 16v sway bars and front brakes with drilled rotors on all 4 corners with 6X16 AMG Penta wheels (1986 vintage) 205/55/16.
Some issues:
converting trans to a speedo cable and controlling 5 gear lock up (maybe a floor shifter with the "B" gear lock up and a push botton switch for overdrive?)
Any advice?
All So:
WTB a set of injectors for the OM602 (with threads on the bottom) and an IP pump (both need to be at a reasonable price I am car poor - have too many of those thangs!!!)
which om602 do you have? 2.5 n/a , 2.9 n/a or 2.9 turbo
offroadbakos
01-12-2012, 11:12 AM #48(11-24-2011, 01:42 PM)tinchariot HI All
Just picked up a 722.5 Trans (in need of a rebiuld) was thinking about installing it in my 1987 190DT.
Have plans upon swapping in the diff from a 190e16V. Either the 3.07 or 3.27
I think the lower gear ratio combined with an overdrive gear it should perform much better.
Have the 16v sway bars and front brakes with drilled rotors on all 4 corners with 6X16 AMG Penta wheels (1986 vintage) 205/55/16.
Some issues:
converting trans to a speedo cable and controlling 5 gear lock up (maybe a floor shifter with the "B" gear lock up and a push botton switch for overdrive?)
Any advice?
All So:
WTB a set of injectors for the OM602 (with threads on the bottom) and an IP pump (both need to be at a reasonable price I am car poor - have too many of those thangs!!!)
which om602 do you have? 2.5 n/a , 2.9 n/a or 2.9 turbo
02-02-2013, 08:45 PM
#49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Be...ansmission
But the important part is that it lists the cars the 722.6xx was installed in
1996–1999 Mercedes-Benz W140
2000-2005 Mercedes-Benz W220
2006–Present Mercedes-Benz W221 (V12 Models only)
1997-2002 Mercedes-Benz W210
2002-2004 Mercedes-Benz W211
1997-2000 Mercedes-Benz W202
2000-2004 Mercedes-Benz W203
1998-2005 Mercedes-Benz W163
1997-2004 Mercedes-Benz W168
2004–Present Mercedes-Benz W169
2005–Present Mercedes-Benz B-Class
1998-2005 Mercedes-Benz R170
1990-2001 Mercedes-Benz R129
2001–Present Mercedes-Benz R230 (V12 Model and Earlier, up to 2005)
1998-2002 Mercedes-Benz W208
2003-2005 Mercedes-Benz W209
2000-2006 Mercedes-Benz C215 (V12 Models only)
2007–Present Mercedes-Benz C216 (V12 Models only)
1996–Present Mercedes-Benz W463 (AMG Models only)
2005-2009 Mercedes-Benz SLR
2002–Present Maybach 57 and 62
1998-2002 Jaguar X308 (Supercharged models only)
1998-2002 Jaguar XK (X100) (Supercharged models only)
2004–Present Ssangyong Rexton
2006–Present Ssangyong Kyron
2005–Present Ssangyong Rodius
2005-2008 Dodge Magnum- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent
2005–Present Chrysler 300- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent All pentastar V6 applications
2006–Present Dodge Charger- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent,All pentastar V6 applications
2008–Present Dodge Challenger- All HEMI applications, All pentastar V6 applications
2007-2011 Dodge Nitro- 4.0L V6 Applications
2006-2010 Jeep Commander- 3.7L V6 Applications, 3.0L CRD V6 applications
2005–Present Jeep Grand Cherokee- 3.7L V6 Applications, 3.0L Diesel Applications, SRT8 Applications, all pentastar V6 applications
2011–Present Dodge Durango, 3.6L V6
2011–Present Jeep Wrangler- 2.8L Diesel
2012–Present Jeep Wrangler 3.6L V6
So, my local u pull and pay has about 4 or 5 722.6's in at the moment. Anyone want one
, you pay, I pull.
Wikipedia has this document on the 722.6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Be...ansmission
But the important part is that it lists the cars the 722.6xx was installed in
1996–1999 Mercedes-Benz W140
2000-2005 Mercedes-Benz W220
2006–Present Mercedes-Benz W221 (V12 Models only)
1997-2002 Mercedes-Benz W210
2002-2004 Mercedes-Benz W211
1997-2000 Mercedes-Benz W202
2000-2004 Mercedes-Benz W203
1998-2005 Mercedes-Benz W163
1997-2004 Mercedes-Benz W168
2004–Present Mercedes-Benz W169
2005–Present Mercedes-Benz B-Class
1998-2005 Mercedes-Benz R170
1990-2001 Mercedes-Benz R129
2001–Present Mercedes-Benz R230 (V12 Model and Earlier, up to 2005)
1998-2002 Mercedes-Benz W208
2003-2005 Mercedes-Benz W209
2000-2006 Mercedes-Benz C215 (V12 Models only)
2007–Present Mercedes-Benz C216 (V12 Models only)
1996–Present Mercedes-Benz W463 (AMG Models only)
2005-2009 Mercedes-Benz SLR
2002–Present Maybach 57 and 62
1998-2002 Jaguar X308 (Supercharged models only)
1998-2002 Jaguar XK (X100) (Supercharged models only)
2004–Present Ssangyong Rexton
2006–Present Ssangyong Kyron
2005–Present Ssangyong Rodius
2005-2008 Dodge Magnum- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent
2005–Present Chrysler 300- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent All pentastar V6 applications
2006–Present Dodge Charger- All HEMI applications, all AWD applications and some 3.5L RWD V6 applications, year dependent,All pentastar V6 applications
2008–Present Dodge Challenger- All HEMI applications, All pentastar V6 applications
2007-2011 Dodge Nitro- 4.0L V6 Applications
2006-2010 Jeep Commander- 3.7L V6 Applications, 3.0L CRD V6 applications
2005–Present Jeep Grand Cherokee- 3.7L V6 Applications, 3.0L Diesel Applications, SRT8 Applications, all pentastar V6 applications
2011–Present Dodge Durango, 3.6L V6
2011–Present Jeep Wrangler- 2.8L Diesel
2012–Present Jeep Wrangler 3.6L V6
So, my local u pull and pay has about 4 or 5 722.6's in at the moment. Anyone want one , you pay, I pull.
06-10-2013, 06:03 AM
#50
i have an w202 0m605 turbo with a 722.6 gearbox!
My plan is to mount a dieselmeken 8mm mechanical pump and big turbo.
Is there any trix to do this modification and still keep the stock gearbox ecu?
My plan was to keep engine ecu, gearbox ecu and still have the edc guvenor connected and working ( dismantel this from the edc pump, and just have it under the intake)
Will this work? Or do i need a custom ecu for the gearbox?
EDH_Performance
06-10-2013, 06:03 AM #50Hi all,
i have an w202 0m605 turbo with a 722.6 gearbox!
My plan is to mount a dieselmeken 8mm mechanical pump and big turbo.
Is there any trix to do this modification and still keep the stock gearbox ecu?
My plan was to keep engine ecu, gearbox ecu and still have the edc guvenor connected and working ( dismantel this from the edc pump, and just have it under the intake)
Will this work? Or do i need a custom ecu for the gearbox?
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