6mm elements in om602
6mm elements in om602
08-29-2012, 02:44 PM
#1
Long time since I've been here.
My car is the one in my signature a '92 190D with om602 turbo.
Mods are:
Boost controller set to ~17 psi.
1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment.
LPG injection.
So far the car has been running great. No excessive oil consumption (most of it leaks from the low level oil sensor down on the oil pan).
LPG has some issues with one of the electric solenoid valves. It works only when it's cool outside. Have to check that out. When it works it is great with bucket loads of power
.The other issue is shaking/stuttering from the rear when car is WOT, LPG working in 4 or 5th gear. Guess it's the drive shaft.
Now back to the question.
Realistically speaking, how much power can I gain from having 6mm elements instead of stock 5.5mm elements? Stock turbo.
I don't want to invest a lot of money into this car as new laws mean very high yearly taxes and with the fuel costs is not really feasible to keep it for too long.
My brother in law is a mechanic and will check if we can find a very cheap om605/6 pump just for the elements and have them swapped into my pump.
Should I bother? I'm looking for more power and probably better MPG due to the shortening of the fuel injection duration.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
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Hi guys,
Long time since I've been here.
My car is the one in my signature a '92 190D with om602 turbo.
Mods are:
Boost controller set to ~17 psi.
1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment.
LPG injection.
So far the car has been running great. No excessive oil consumption (most of it leaks from the low level oil sensor down on the oil pan).
LPG has some issues with one of the electric solenoid valves. It works only when it's cool outside. Have to check that out. When it works it is great with bucket loads of power .
The other issue is shaking/stuttering from the rear when car is WOT, LPG working in 4 or 5th gear. Guess it's the drive shaft.
Now back to the question.
Realistically speaking, how much power can I gain from having 6mm elements instead of stock 5.5mm elements? Stock turbo.
I don't want to invest a lot of money into this car as new laws mean very high yearly taxes and with the fuel costs is not really feasible to keep it for too long.
My brother in law is a mechanic and will check if we can find a very cheap om605/6 pump just for the elements and have them swapped into my pump.
Should I bother? I'm looking for more power and probably better MPG due to the shortening of the fuel injection duration.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
08-29-2012, 11:37 PM
#2
(08-29-2012, 02:44 PM)Deni Hi guys,
Long time since I've been here.
My car is the one in my signature a '92 190D with om602 turbo.
Mods are:
Boost controller set to ~17 psi.
1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment.
LPG injection.
So far the car has been running great. No excessive oil consumption (most of it leaks from the low level oil sensor down on the oil pan).
LPG has some issues with one of the electric solenoid valves. It works only when it's cool outside. Have to check that out. When it works it is great with bucket loads of power :D.
The other issue is shaking/stuttering from the rear when car is WOT, LPG working in 4 or 5th gear. Guess it's the drive shaft.
Now back to the question.
Realistically speaking, how much power can I gain from having 6mm elements instead of stock 5.5mm elements? Stock turbo.
I don't want to invest a lot of money into this car as new laws mean very high yearly taxes and with the fuel costs is not really feasible to keep it for too long.
My brother in law is a mechanic and will check if we can find a very cheap om605/6 pump just for the elements and have them swapped into my pump.
Should I bother? I'm looking for more power and probably better MPG due to the shortening of the fuel injection duration.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
Deni
Hi I works perfect, I have done some 6 mm pumps to stock 190d 2,5td and those customers are very satisfied.
dieselmeken
08-29-2012, 11:37 PM #2(08-29-2012, 02:44 PM)Deni Hi guys,
Long time since I've been here.
My car is the one in my signature a '92 190D with om602 turbo.
Mods are:
Boost controller set to ~17 psi.
1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment.
LPG injection.
So far the car has been running great. No excessive oil consumption (most of it leaks from the low level oil sensor down on the oil pan).
LPG has some issues with one of the electric solenoid valves. It works only when it's cool outside. Have to check that out. When it works it is great with bucket loads of power :D.
The other issue is shaking/stuttering from the rear when car is WOT, LPG working in 4 or 5th gear. Guess it's the drive shaft.
Now back to the question.
Realistically speaking, how much power can I gain from having 6mm elements instead of stock 5.5mm elements? Stock turbo.
I don't want to invest a lot of money into this car as new laws mean very high yearly taxes and with the fuel costs is not really feasible to keep it for too long.
My brother in law is a mechanic and will check if we can find a very cheap om605/6 pump just for the elements and have them swapped into my pump.
Should I bother? I'm looking for more power and probably better MPG due to the shortening of the fuel injection duration.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
Deni
Hi I works perfect, I have done some 6 mm pumps to stock 190d 2,5td and those customers are very satisfied.
08-30-2012, 02:14 AM
#3
Did you have the chance to dyno the car? How much power can I expect? Is it worth doing with stock turbo?
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
Thanks for the reply.
Did you have the chance to dyno the car? How much power can I expect? Is it worth doing with stock turbo?
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
09-01-2012, 03:00 AM
#4
(08-30-2012, 02:14 AM)Deni Thanks for the reply.
Did you have the chance to dyno the car? How much power can I expect? Is it worth doing with stock turbo?
Deni
No dyno on these cars, they drive stock turbo. I did adjust them to 65cc of fuel with good result. power increase? 20-30 hp maybee.
Cars is in Denmark btw
dieselmeken
09-01-2012, 03:00 AM #4(08-30-2012, 02:14 AM)Deni Thanks for the reply.
Did you have the chance to dyno the car? How much power can I expect? Is it worth doing with stock turbo?
Deni
No dyno on these cars, they drive stock turbo. I did adjust them to 65cc of fuel with good result. power increase? 20-30 hp maybee.
Cars is in Denmark btw
09-01-2012, 06:52 AM
#5
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
09-01-2012, 09:45 AM
#6
(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
dieselmeken
09-01-2012, 09:45 AM #6(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
09-01-2012, 11:17 AM
#7
(09-01-2012, 09:45 AM)dieselmeken(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
Understand what you mean.
What's the max the stock turbo can supply and what's the max 6mm elements can supply with another turbo?
What other turbo can be used as a drop-in this car? IIRC this one uses a gt25 flange.
Thanks for being patient, hope someone else will also find this info useful.
I don't want to spend a lot of money in this car, even though I love it. It is not feasible in the long run to maintain it with the high fuel costs and government taxes.
This is why I'm trying to understand what sort of power I can get with minimum possible costs/alternations to the car.
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
(09-01-2012, 09:45 AM)dieselmeken(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
Understand what you mean.
What's the max the stock turbo can supply and what's the max 6mm elements can supply with another turbo?
What other turbo can be used as a drop-in this car? IIRC this one uses a gt25 flange.
Thanks for being patient, hope someone else will also find this info useful.
I don't want to spend a lot of money in this car, even though I love it. It is not feasible in the long run to maintain it with the high fuel costs and government taxes.
This is why I'm trying to understand what sort of power I can get with minimum possible costs/alternations to the car.
Deni
1992 Mercedes 190D 2.5 turbo 5sp manual. EGT+boost gauges. Boost controller set to ~14.5 psi. 1 1/4 turns on full load adjustment. LPG injection.
09-02-2012, 06:12 AM
#8
(09-01-2012, 11:17 AM)Deni(09-01-2012, 09:45 AM)dieselmeken(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
Understand what you mean.
What's the max the stock turbo can supply and what's the max 6mm elements can supply with another turbo?
What other turbo can be used as a drop-in this car? IIRC this one uses a gt25 flange.
Thanks for being patient, hope someone else will also find this info useful.
I don't want to spend a lot of money in this car, even though I love it. It is not feasible in the long run to maintain it with the high fuel costs and government taxes.
This is why I'm trying to understand what sort of power I can get with minimum possible costs/alternations to the car.
Deni
I think you never get 200hp with 6mm elements, from om602. I had an om602, but it was 2,9l. with turbo from OM606. It was about 220hp . Bu
But higher rev. the egt was 7--800°c or more. (Once i had hard right leg, and the engine went broke) The IP could 120cc/1000. A friend of mine has same car , his IPp can 95cc/1000 with 6mm elements max.
If you don't want spend a lot of money, leave it actually state. 200hp you have to change the clutch too
Or i suggest the HX25 from iveco, once i tried it and it was good enough.
This post was last modified: 09-02-2012, 06:18 AM by devton.
OM662.910 aftermarket turbo
(09-01-2012, 11:17 AM)Deni(09-01-2012, 09:45 AM)dieselmeken(09-01-2012, 06:52 AM)Deni Is there any possibility to get in 200hp range with the om602 + 6mm elements and everything else stock?
The power will not be used for long periods of time so EGT will be controllable.
Thanks
Deni
No. No car manufactor puts a 200 hp turbocharger on a 120hp engine.
Understand what you mean.
What's the max the stock turbo can supply and what's the max 6mm elements can supply with another turbo?
What other turbo can be used as a drop-in this car? IIRC this one uses a gt25 flange.
Thanks for being patient, hope someone else will also find this info useful.
I don't want to spend a lot of money in this car, even though I love it. It is not feasible in the long run to maintain it with the high fuel costs and government taxes.
This is why I'm trying to understand what sort of power I can get with minimum possible costs/alternations to the car.
Deni
I think you never get 200hp with 6mm elements, from om602. I had an om602, but it was 2,9l. with turbo from OM606. It was about 220hp . Bu
But higher rev. the egt was 7--800°c or more. (Once i had hard right leg, and the engine went broke) The IP could 120cc/1000. A friend of mine has same car , his IPp can 95cc/1000 with 6mm elements max.
If you don't want spend a lot of money, leave it actually state. 200hp you have to change the clutch too
Or i suggest the HX25 from iveco, once i tried it and it was good enough.
OM662.910 aftermarket turbo
09-11-2012, 05:13 AM
#9
(09-02-2012, 06:12 AM)devton I think you never get 200hp with 6mm elements, from om602. I had an om602, but it was 2,9l. with turbo from OM606. It was about 220hp . Bu
But higher rev. the egt was 7--800°c or more. (Once i had hard right leg, and the engine went broke) The IP could 120cc/1000. A friend of mine has same car , his IPp can 95cc/1000 with 6mm elements max.
If you don't want spend a lot of money, leave it actually state. 200hp you have to change the clutch too
Or i suggest the HX25 from iveco, once i tried it and it was good enough.
I want to do same thing with my om602 250turbo. Use 6mm elements, change turbo and install intercooler if it will possible. I am thinking about HX27W, but is it good for that engine, what about turbo lag?
(09-02-2012, 06:12 AM)devton I think you never get 200hp with 6mm elements, from om602. I had an om602, but it was 2,9l. with turbo from OM606. It was about 220hp . Bu
But higher rev. the egt was 7--800°c or more. (Once i had hard right leg, and the engine went broke) The IP could 120cc/1000. A friend of mine has same car , his IPp can 95cc/1000 with 6mm elements max.
If you don't want spend a lot of money, leave it actually state. 200hp you have to change the clutch too
Or i suggest the HX25 from iveco, once i tried it and it was good enough.
I want to do same thing with my om602 250turbo. Use 6mm elements, change turbo and install intercooler if it will possible. I am thinking about HX27W, but is it good for that engine, what about turbo lag?
09-11-2012, 07:26 AM
#10
dieselmeken
09-11-2012, 07:26 AM #10Ofcourse, bigger element is to prefer when chasing power. We dynoed a 605 with 6 mm element to 274hp so 200 hp I think is possible. But as I wrote, bigger element = better and faster injectiontime.
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