OM617 Water injection kit?
OM617 Water injection kit?
I have a 1984 300D turbo. I've done little things to it, always looking for new stuff to try though. I read on peach parts about some people who have set up water injection systems for Turbo OM617's. I've also found a few threads on here about it.
I'm very interested in doing this. I've found a lot of threads about people who have them and what results they get, but I cannot find any good threads about how to put one together or install. I know you need a container for the water, some kind of small water pump, and a nozzle.
That's about as vaugley as I understand it. I've read that some people say the nozzle is pretty basic, and others who say the nozzle needs to be pretty specific. These are the details I could use help with.
I'm not expecting a major performance increase, but I've read that water injection, over time, can really help clean the engine out and get it running a bit better, this is what i'm on for.
Does anyone know of a kit for this that might be useful? Or who can maybe link me up to some stuff that I can buy to do a DIY kit?
Thanks guys! Great to be a part of Super Turbo Diesel!
haromaster87
11-29-2012, 12:47 PM #1Hey guys,
I have a 1984 300D turbo. I've done little things to it, always looking for new stuff to try though. I read on peach parts about some people who have set up water injection systems for Turbo OM617's. I've also found a few threads on here about it.
I'm very interested in doing this. I've found a lot of threads about people who have them and what results they get, but I cannot find any good threads about how to put one together or install. I know you need a container for the water, some kind of small water pump, and a nozzle.
That's about as vaugley as I understand it. I've read that some people say the nozzle is pretty basic, and others who say the nozzle needs to be pretty specific. These are the details I could use help with.
I'm not expecting a major performance increase, but I've read that water injection, over time, can really help clean the engine out and get it running a bit better, this is what i'm on for.
Does anyone know of a kit for this that might be useful? Or who can maybe link me up to some stuff that I can buy to do a DIY kit?
Thanks guys! Great to be a part of Super Turbo Diesel!
my experiences::
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...ction.html
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
11-29-2012, 12:52 PM #2Get a 100psi pump, solenoid ($30) and bozzle(mcmastercarr) and hook er' up.
my experiences::
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...ction.html
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Flexible in price if interested.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-4047.html
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
11-29-2012, 02:57 PM #3I have a couple of window larger capacity window washer tanks that can double as a water/methanol injection tank.
Flexible in price if interested.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-4047.html
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-29-2012, 03:23 PM #4I got a 200psi pump from Devil's Own, as well as a 3gallon/hour nozzle. I ran some tubing under the floor mats to a jug in the the drunk for the reservoir. I just have it connected to a switch in the cab and turn it on when there is boost, but I'm planning on hooking up a pressure sensor so it will automatically kick on under load
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
(11-29-2012, 03:23 PM)sassparilla_kid I got a 200psi pump from Devil's Own, as well as a 3gallon/hour nozzle. I ran some tubing under the floor mats to a jug in the the drunk for the reservoir. I just have it connected to a switch in the cab and turn it on when there is boost, but I'm planning on hooking up a pressure sensor so it will automatically kick on under load
That sounds simple enough. Might be a good way for me to try it out before doing a more complex set up. Where/how did you mount your nozzle?
haromaster87
11-29-2012, 03:34 PM #5(11-29-2012, 03:23 PM)sassparilla_kid I got a 200psi pump from Devil's Own, as well as a 3gallon/hour nozzle. I ran some tubing under the floor mats to a jug in the the drunk for the reservoir. I just have it connected to a switch in the cab and turn it on when there is boost, but I'm planning on hooking up a pressure sensor so it will automatically kick on under load
That sounds simple enough. Might be a good way for me to try it out before doing a more complex set up. Where/how did you mount your nozzle?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-29-2012, 05:41 PM #6I drilled and tapped a hole in the flat spot near the outlet of the compressor housing, I'll try to get a picture after work
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
If you ever decided to remove the Water Injection, would you be able to just put a bolt in place of the nozzle or something?
haromaster87
11-29-2012, 07:19 PM #7That'd be great, thanks! How complex was it to drill and tap that spot? I imagine you had to take great care to ensure you got all metal shavings out.
If you ever decided to remove the Water Injection, would you be able to just put a bolt in place of the nozzle or something?
(11-29-2012, 07:19 PM)haromaster87 That'd be great, thanks! How complex was it to drill and tap that spot? I imagine you had to take great care to ensure you got all metal shavings out.
If you ever decided to remove the Water Injection, would you be able to just put a bolt in place of the nozzle or something?
you take that inlet housing off the turbo and then drill/tap out on a workbench or something.
Need a stubby 13mm wrench to take of 6 bolts that hold it in place. Then drill a 11/32in hole I think, then the 1/4 npt tap.
and yeah if you ever need to you can just put a 1/4in plug in instead of your nozzle.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
(11-29-2012, 07:19 PM)haromaster87 That'd be great, thanks! How complex was it to drill and tap that spot? I imagine you had to take great care to ensure you got all metal shavings out.
If you ever decided to remove the Water Injection, would you be able to just put a bolt in place of the nozzle or something?
you take that inlet housing off the turbo and then drill/tap out on a workbench or something.
Need a stubby 13mm wrench to take of 6 bolts that hold it in place. Then drill a 11/32in hole I think, then the 1/4 npt tap.
and yeah if you ever need to you can just put a 1/4in plug in instead of your nozzle.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
(11-29-2012, 05:41 PM)sassparilla_kid I drilled and tapped a hole in the flat spot near the outlet of the compressor housing, I'll try to get a picture after work
So would you say it was a worth while modification? Would you do it again if you had a chance?
'85 300CD
I think it's a super easy thing to do. And it shows definite results. That extra alcohol as fuel sure made my 617 smooth out and power up at the top end.
And as noted, you can remove the parts and just plug the hole in the housing.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
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I think it's a super easy thing to do. And it shows definite results. That extra alcohol as fuel sure made my 617 smooth out and power up at the top end.
And as noted, you can remove the parts and just plug the hole in the housing.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
So here is where the nozzle went in
And here is the pump
And to the left of the pump you can barely make out my ghetto solution to blocking off the oil drain left over from when I took the stock air cleaner out, it is some heavy duty aluminum foil folded up a bunch of times, squeezed around the drain and held on by a hose clamp.
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
11-29-2012, 09:54 PM #11I didn't even take the compressor housing off, just put the turbo on the driveway and drilled the hole, was just really careful to make sure it was oriented so all shavings would fall out.
So here is where the nozzle went in
And here is the pump
And to the left of the pump you can barely make out my ghetto solution to blocking off the oil drain left over from when I took the stock air cleaner out, it is some heavy duty aluminum foil folded up a bunch of times, squeezed around the drain and held on by a hose clamp.
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
I will post some pictures soon of my set up in "The Sleeper -- Part Deux". I think I found a donor body, so the mods that I have been sitting on will be going on in the next few weeks and the Sleeper will be back into action.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
Even just plain water while cruising on the interstate will produce some results. It really cleans the engine if anything which is a major plus if you burn grease. Water is basically free so its a nice mod.
I will post some pictures soon of my set up in "The Sleeper -- Part Deux". I think I found a donor body, so the mods that I have been sitting on will be going on in the next few weeks and the Sleeper will be back into action.
Ninth Year Anniversary with STD on 1-9-2020
visit: www.dieselfuelinjector.guru
Project 2018: Really get the car finished -- Turbo OM617 greater than 175 MPH goal.
RED W123 - left Germany as 240D in 1982. Full AMG body kit less rear apron, 2:65LSD, five speed Getrag 717.400, manual steering, read leather interior, manual brake conversion, electric water pump (EWP), and a bunch of other goodies ...
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