Getting rid of the old air cleaner. Any tips, tricks, or warnings?
Getting rid of the old air cleaner. Any tips, tricks, or warnings?
The old cleaner was working fine until I found out the noisy way that it broke a while back (mounting brackets) and is now rattling like a crazed caffeinated monkey and banging the hood etc and its annoying as hell. That's what happens when idiots glue it with wood glue or whatever the hell it is.
So I'm thinking I'll pull it all off and go get a cheap K&N or a knockoff cone filter to elbow into the turbo. Any idea what size or cfm capacities I'm looking for? But here's the issue. I just realized that there's that breather tube going from the head to the air cleaner, and it looks like that tube just goes out a spout in the middle of the airway into the turbo. What should I do about that? I know that it serves as a sort of oil return in some diesels but I don't see any other tubes. There is a little blow-by also. Not bad as of yet.
Kinda need to replace the filter real soon anyway so gotta find out what I'm getting. Thanks!
People do the kn/spectre cone stuff. Some of us have made a fram 8038 or 8037 fit with a section of pvc or abs tube. like a 90 elbow and a bit of rubber/silicone boot is all it needs.
There is a whole thread on it.
I like the 8038 it's a little smaller than the 8037, that one takes up all the room there is
There's a thread on it
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-1306.html
Maybe other threads too idk
They sell those 3 rubber mounts under the air filter assembly for really cheep $5-$10! I would replace those and if you want a free flow air filter get a K&N for the stock housing I did but just so I can clean and reuse it! But the stock paper filter flows more than enough air for that engine! You wont really gain any performance with a cone or K&N over stock it might make the turbo a little nosier which sounds cool.
Well I want to have room to gain some serious hp eventually, but I don't want to stick with something average that might get in the way of power later. I was thinking Spectre. Idk I think its easier to deal with. But what's weird is how the mounting brackets for the air box broke so easy. I could just silver solder or weld it or something but I figure why not go get something that won't take up as much space. Also the sound of the turbo is very much welcome. lol but I just wanted to make sure that those tubes are but I just wanted to make sure there weren't any tubes I was forgetting about like the breather tube. Any ideas as to what I should do about that?
that crank case vent thing? PCV or whatever. Run draft tube down to the road or make up a custom oil/air separator and send the air part back in the intake.
I dont miss that stock setup one bit. But some people say it is just fine and a great filter.
i used a couple elbos and booties , i picked up at Auto zone . 3" -21/2 reducer . i coated it all with aluminum tape cause i diddnt like the des of rubber next to the manifold . i will get some nice silicone down the road. Ted the breather lines from crank and head ran them to a catch can i made with a big wegmans peanut tin . put a VC breather filter on it and used some clear fuel tube on the side for a level site. it all nestled in to the pas front corner of my sd nicely.
although , theres plenty of alloy breather cans out the that are Pretty with 1-3 threaded inlets etc.
Here's my solution to the problem.
I built a catch can to condense the oil vapors and return them to the sump.
Here's a link to the build thread, as well as a pretty interesting discussion on different catch can and oil separator strategies and technologies.
Built a Catch Can - PeachParts Mercedes ShopForum
I needed to do a custom air cleaner and oil separator solution because I don't have any room for a stock MB air cleaner in my swap project (OM617 -> 107).
Here's the final configuration with the paper element air cleaner setup.
As you can see, not a lot of room to play with. But I still get the effect of a cold air intake because the filter housing is 90% outside the arc of the fan shroud.
That air intake looks totally boss, like the nacelle of a jet engine, what's it from?
Turbo sits way high, are you using the OM617a California exhaust manifold?
(02-23-2013, 11:16 PM)JustPassinThru That air intake looks totally boss, like the nacelle of a jet engine, what's it from?
Turbo sits way high, are you using the OM617a California exhaust manifold?
(02-23-2013, 11:16 PM)JustPassinThru That air intake looks totally boss, like the nacelle of a jet engine, what's it from?
Turbo sits way high, are you using the OM617a California exhaust manifold?
Very cool work , that looks like the housing on alot of ford trucks as well . on the portion you trimmed was there a snorkel that went to a sound suppression box?
i will read the other thread , but if its quick how did you recirculate back to the crank case ? via the intake ?
Very coool work .
(02-24-2013, 12:45 PM)lpumb3 Very cool work , that looks like the housing on alot of ford trucks as well . on the portion you trimmed was there a snorkel that went to a sound suppression box?Here is what the complete donor unit looks like.
i will read the other thread , but if its quick how did you recirculate back to the crank case ? via the intake ?
Very coool work .
(02-24-2013, 12:45 PM)lpumb3 Very cool work , that looks like the housing on alot of ford trucks as well . on the portion you trimmed was there a snorkel that went to a sound suppression box?Here is what the complete donor unit looks like.
i will read the other thread , but if its quick how did you recirculate back to the crank case ? via the intake ?
Very coool work .
(03-01-2013, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 thanks , i see , my drain is tied into my vapors to my catch . its ghetto fab . but ive wanted to plum it back , so i wont smell it . how clean it your compressor wheel after a couple oil changes ?
(03-01-2013, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 thanks , i see , my drain is tied into my vapors to my catch . its ghetto fab . but ive wanted to plum it back , so i wont smell it . how clean it your compressor wheel after a couple oil changes ?
I got out to the junk yard today and picked up a new air cleaner housing to fit the larger CFM air filter.
It's not a huge noticeable difference, but I feel a lot better about the flow rating.
Also picked up one of these off a truck... now just have to figure out where to mount it.
(03-01-2013, 11:40 AM)mach4If i remember correctly , the triton series had big housings and the cold air tubes were about 3 inches or so(03-01-2013, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 thanks , i see , my drain is tied into my vapors to my catch . its ghetto fab . but ive wanted to plum it back , so i wont smell it . how clean it your compressor wheel after a couple oil changes ?
The compressor wheel stays clean. I do get a few drops that collect on the adapter plate that I just wipe off from time to time.
As a result of a thread going over on BW I've determined that my air filter is probably too small. It's good for 250cfm. The stock Cali filter is good for 450cfm. The good news is that there is a filter with the exact same base and height dimensions that will work with my custom backing plate, but not with the Escort housing. I'm off to the junk yard this weekend to source one off a Ranger or Mazda P/U. Mine obviously works just fine, but a bigger one will be a lot better.
(03-01-2013, 11:40 AM)mach4If i remember correctly , the triton series had big housings and the cold air tubes were about 3 inches or so(03-01-2013, 10:32 AM)lpumb3 thanks , i see , my drain is tied into my vapors to my catch . its ghetto fab . but ive wanted to plum it back , so i wont smell it . how clean it your compressor wheel after a couple oil changes ?
The compressor wheel stays clean. I do get a few drops that collect on the adapter plate that I just wipe off from time to time.
As a result of a thread going over on BW I've determined that my air filter is probably too small. It's good for 250cfm. The stock Cali filter is good for 450cfm. The good news is that there is a filter with the exact same base and height dimensions that will work with my custom backing plate, but not with the Escort housing. I'm off to the junk yard this weekend to source one off a Ranger or Mazda P/U. Mine obviously works just fine, but a bigger one will be a lot better.
Quote: If i remember correctly , the triton series had big housings and the cold air tubes were about 3 inches or so
(03-02-2013, 11:20 AM)mach4Quote: If i remember correctly , the triton series had big housings and the cold air tubes were about 3 inches or so
That's correct, however in my case I've got hood clearance issues and turbo-inlet-to-radiator-shroud constraints that prevent going larger.
(03-02-2013, 11:20 AM)mach4Quote: If i remember correctly , the triton series had big housings and the cold air tubes were about 3 inches or so
That's correct, however in my case I've got hood clearance issues and turbo-inlet-to-radiator-shroud constraints that prevent going larger.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Plumb the filter minder between the filter and the turbo. When the filter plugs, it will pull a vacuum on the filter minder and let you know it's time for a element. Another OCD option would be on install a vacuum gauge between the filter and the turbo, so you can monitor it live in the car
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(03-05-2013, 03:04 PM)Simpler=Better Another OCD option would be on install a vacuum gauge between the filter and the turbo, so you can monitor it live in the car
(03-05-2013, 03:04 PM)Simpler=Better Another OCD option would be on install a vacuum gauge between the filter and the turbo, so you can monitor it live in the car
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ASHCROF...auge-2C639
At that price, I think I would just install the filter moniter...
(03-06-2013, 01:06 PM)MFSuper90 http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ASHCROF...auge-2C639Or just change the filter when it looks dirty. Believe it or not, the filter on the right checked just fine with the filter monitor, and it's undersized by almost half for the engine.
At that price, I think I would just install the filter moniter...
(03-06-2013, 01:06 PM)MFSuper90 http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ASHCROF...auge-2C639Or just change the filter when it looks dirty. Believe it or not, the filter on the right checked just fine with the filter monitor, and it's undersized by almost half for the engine.
At that price, I think I would just install the filter moniter...
(03-06-2013, 03:42 PM)mach4(03-06-2013, 01:06 PM)MFSuper90 http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ASHCROF...auge-2C639Or just change the filter when it looks dirty. Believe it or not, the filter on the right checked just fine with the filter monitor, and it's undersized by almost half for the engine.
At that price, I think I would just install the filter moniter...
(03-06-2013, 03:42 PM)mach4(03-06-2013, 01:06 PM)MFSuper90 http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ASHCROF...auge-2C639Or just change the filter when it looks dirty. Believe it or not, the filter on the right checked just fine with the filter monitor, and it's undersized by almost half for the engine.
At that price, I think I would just install the filter moniter...
here's my solution for getting rid of the "trash can" air filter with a parts list and step by step construction:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/dies...e-how.html
I was looking at the specs of the WIX equivalent of the CA8037 and CA8038 and puts the flow at 250 CFM's. Much lower than the stock 300d/sd 450 CFM's.
CA8037
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46441
CA8038
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46440
These filters are made the HD and standard Chevy/GMC pickups, so I think this spec is pretty accurate.
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We went kind of crazy with our set up and put the air filter where the battery used to be. Great location... lots of air pressure there. Also added an intercooler which really helped reduce EGTs.
Battery is now approximately where the back seat used to be.
(04-05-2013, 09:01 AM)Torkey We went kind of crazy with our set up and put the air filter where the battery used to be. Great location... lots of air pressure there. Also added an intercooler which really helped reduce EGTs.Very nice...and clean too! Like it. What are you doing with your oil vapor from the valve cover? It heads off toward the drivers side but out of the picture.
Battery is now approximately where the back seat used to be.
(04-05-2013, 09:01 AM)Torkey We went kind of crazy with our set up and put the air filter where the battery used to be. Great location... lots of air pressure there. Also added an intercooler which really helped reduce EGTs.Very nice...and clean too! Like it. What are you doing with your oil vapor from the valve cover? It heads off toward the drivers side but out of the picture.
Battery is now approximately where the back seat used to be.
Nice Torkey! Very clean, neat looking setup.
How did you fit an intercooler? Cut the bumper?
I have always been a fan of the gay&N Apollo setup using the factory ram intake. Can't find the thread it was on!
(04-05-2013, 12:58 AM)DeliveryValve I was looking at the specs of the WIX equivalent of the CA8037 and CA8038 and puts the flow at 250 CFM's. Much lower than the stock 300d/sd 450 CFM's.
CA8037
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46441
CA8038
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46440
These filters are made the HD and standard Chevy/GMC pickups, so I think this spec is pretty accurate.
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(04-05-2013, 12:58 AM)DeliveryValve I was looking at the specs of the WIX equivalent of the CA8037 and CA8038 and puts the flow at 250 CFM's. Much lower than the stock 300d/sd 450 CFM's.
CA8037
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46441
CA8038
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDet...Part=46440
These filters are made the HD and standard Chevy/GMC pickups, so I think this spec is pretty accurate.
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The intercooler is where the headlight used to be. Doesn't work too well for a street car. You can see it in the picture below
The crankcase breather goes to an oil catch can that we made out of stuffing an aluminum vodka bottle with steel wool. Much less crankcase pressure than using the stock separator.
Freakin love that car. And love your racing team for being different and choosing a Benz.
Keep on keepin on!