m112 supercharger mounting(have i went mad)
m112 supercharger mounting(have i went mad)
i have come back to my supercharger mounting again.
the m112 is too long to fit under the inlet manifold with the engine mount and chassis will be too close to pipework, and i don't want to move my power steering pump.
was toying with this idea, have i went mad. should fit above the steering pump.
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either turn the manifold upside down too leave room for the charger or just put the charger on top, either way something is going to peep out through the bonnet.
hi,
i have come back to my supercharger mounting again.
the m112 is too long to fit under the inlet manifold with the engine mount and chassis will be too close to pipework, and i don't want to move my power steering pump.
was toying with this idea, have i went mad. should fit above the steering pump.
either turn the manifold upside down too leave room for the charger or just put the charger on top, either way something is going to peep out through the bonnet.
If anything is sticking up it better be the supercharger, nothing says mad max quite like that.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
06-27-2013, 07:56 AM #2I would more the power steering pump, or get an alecrtic unit (but that's just me).
If anything is sticking up it better be the supercharger, nothing says mad max quite like that.
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(06-27-2013, 07:56 AM)Simpler=Better I would more the power steering pump, or get an alecrtic unit (but that's just me).like this then.
If anything is sticking up it better be the supercharger, nothing says mad max quite like that.
either on top of the rocker cover or the manifold.
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Is it better to keep the charger flat or on its side for the oil inside?
i know very little about chargers to be honest.
i can rotate it any way up there as i have plenty of room.
(06-27-2013, 07:56 AM)Simpler=Better I would more the power steering pump, or get an alecrtic unit (but that's just me).like this then.
If anything is sticking up it better be the supercharger, nothing says mad max quite like that.
either on top of the rocker cover or the manifold.
Is it better to keep the charger flat or on its side for the oil inside?
i know very little about chargers to be honest.
i can rotate it any way up there as i have plenty of room.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
06-27-2013, 01:32 PM #4I would mount it on the manifold, and add support to the manifold somehow. That way you can get at the injectors/ valve cover if there is a problem
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
06-27-2013, 02:15 PM #5Make a custom intake manifold. I would cut the manifold like 4-6 inches off the head and mount the supercharger directly to the head.
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Just in case you did not know, the air flows in from the back end of the blower and out the bottom.
I think I posed pics of an Eaton M90 that I shortened the drive snout on in a different thread..
Oh, another thing, most likely there is a spring loaded dampener between the input (pulley) shaft and the rotor gear.. They tend to fail as they get old and if you look on e-bay, you can get a rubber coupling to replace the squishy spring one. You can tell if yours has the spring one by holding the rotors and trying to rotate the pulley back and forth, one way will be solid, the other way the pulley will turn and you will feel the torsion spring winding up.
You can mount the blower in any clocking orientation as long as the rotors are horizontal. However, make note of the oil level check screw, depending on the OEM position, (yours was most likely sitting on the outlet), so depending on how you position it, you will have to fill the oil with the blower off, or put a new fill port in the nose cover that allows you to fill and check the gear oil...
Just in case you did not know, the air flows in from the back end of the blower and out the bottom.
I think I posed pics of an Eaton M90 that I shortened the drive snout on in a different thread..
Oh, another thing, most likely there is a spring loaded dampener between the input (pulley) shaft and the rotor gear.. They tend to fail as they get old and if you look on e-bay, you can get a rubber coupling to replace the squishy spring one. You can tell if yours has the spring one by holding the rotors and trying to rotate the pulley back and forth, one way will be solid, the other way the pulley will turn and you will feel the torsion spring winding up.
i am curious why u whant to use a supercharger in a diesel engine?
could u make some light to me?
any how if is your intention to use the super charger to precharge a huge turbo, u still have to make a way of cooling the air, as i see things u could put it anyway where u got space.
Just another question , your oil radiator is OEM or is it a MOD?
FD,
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hy there,
i am curious why u whant to use a supercharger in a diesel engine?
could u make some light to me?
any how if is your intention to use the super charger to precharge a huge turbo, u still have to make a way of cooling the air, as i see things u could put it anyway where u got space.
Just another question , your oil radiator is OEM or is it a MOD?
FD,
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(06-28-2013, 07:05 AM)barrote hy there,
i am curious why u whant to use a supercharger in a diesel engine?
could u make some light to me?
any how if is your intention to use the super charger to precharge a huge turbo, u still have to make a way of cooling the air, as i see things u could put it anyway where u got space.
Just another question , your oil radiator is OEM or is it a MOD?
hi,
yea to help spool the turbo.
not sure about what swecias' oil cooler is off, looks bigger than oem.
(06-28-2013, 07:05 AM)barrote hy there,
i am curious why u whant to use a supercharger in a diesel engine?
could u make some light to me?
any how if is your intention to use the super charger to precharge a huge turbo, u still have to make a way of cooling the air, as i see things u could put it anyway where u got space.
Just another question , your oil radiator is OEM or is it a MOD?
hi,
yea to help spool the turbo.
not sure about what swecias' oil cooler is off, looks bigger than oem.
Recently i had to "change " one oil filter assy in order to bolt in pipes instead of having the oil to water cooler, it was easy doing. i just couldn´t find oil filter assy for oil to air coller conections in Portugal, even in old merc. all i found was water to oil coolers , that was my question.
Now that i understand the charger issue, i would put it right above the turbo, built a base for it . it wold discharge right to the turbo inlet , more less curve and u still have place for a buterfly valve once the charger mass limit is reached, open a hole in the hood for charger breading
if u look at the principle of a low ratio turbofan engine , (thats what we call aviation engines) the compressor usually benefits from "ram" efect, this hapens when the inlet pressure is above 1. well the thing is an airplane moves through the air with the compressor inlet exposed to this "ram" effect once the A/P reaches a certain speed.
So u will benefit from pressurizing the turbo with the charger at low rev , but what are u inteding to do when this inlet pressure drops below 1? that will happen from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
we should never forguet that air is a compressible fluid.
regards
FD
FD,
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Hy there,
Recently i had to "change " one oil filter assy in order to bolt in pipes instead of having the oil to water cooler, it was easy doing. i just couldn´t find oil filter assy for oil to air coller conections in Portugal, even in old merc. all i found was water to oil coolers , that was my question.
Now that i understand the charger issue, i would put it right above the turbo, built a base for it . it wold discharge right to the turbo inlet , more less curve and u still have place for a buterfly valve once the charger mass limit is reached, open a hole in the hood for charger breading
if u look at the principle of a low ratio turbofan engine , (thats what we call aviation engines) the compressor usually benefits from "ram" efect, this hapens when the inlet pressure is above 1. well the thing is an airplane moves through the air with the compressor inlet exposed to this "ram" effect once the A/P reaches a certain speed.
So u will benefit from pressurizing the turbo with the charger at low rev , but what are u inteding to do when this inlet pressure drops below 1? that will happen from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
we should never forguet that air is a compressible fluid.
regards
FD
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i would need to get a turbo to see how much room i have.
is there a crank pulley available with extended piece for another belt, i want to run the charger off its own belt or will i have to make one?
(06-27-2013, 02:48 PM)OM616 You can mount the blower in any clocking orientation as long as the rotors are horizontal. However, make note of the oil level check screw, depending on the OEM position, (yours was most likely sitting on the outlet), so depending on how you position it, you will have to fill the oil with the blower off, or put a new fill port in the nose cover that allows you to fill and check the gear oil...
Just in case you did not know, the air flows in from the back end of the blower and out the bottom.
I think I posed pics of an Eaton M90 that I shortened the drive snout on in a different thread..
Oh, another thing, most likely there is a spring loaded dampener between the input (pulley) shaft and the rotor gear.. They tend to fail as they get old and if you look on e-bay, you can get a rubber coupling to replace the squishy spring one. You can tell if yours has the spring one by holding the rotors and trying to rotate the pulley back and forth, one way will be solid, the other way the pulley will turn and you will feel the torsion spring winding up.
yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
hi,
i would need to get a turbo to see how much room i have.
is there a crank pulley available with extended piece for another belt, i want to run the charger off its own belt or will i have to make one?
(06-27-2013, 02:48 PM)OM616 You can mount the blower in any clocking orientation as long as the rotors are horizontal. However, make note of the oil level check screw, depending on the OEM position, (yours was most likely sitting on the outlet), so depending on how you position it, you will have to fill the oil with the blower off, or put a new fill port in the nose cover that allows you to fill and check the gear oil...
Just in case you did not know, the air flows in from the back end of the blower and out the bottom.
I think I posed pics of an Eaton M90 that I shortened the drive snout on in a different thread..
Oh, another thing, most likely there is a spring loaded dampener between the input (pulley) shaft and the rotor gear.. They tend to fail as they get old and if you look on e-bay, you can get a rubber coupling to replace the squishy spring one. You can tell if yours has the spring one by holding the rotors and trying to rotate the pulley back and forth, one way will be solid, the other way the pulley will turn and you will feel the torsion spring winding up.
yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
Ed
yankneck696
07-01-2013, 07:28 AM #14Look up "Crazy Carl Whipple " for how it was done on a 24 valve Cummins. His wild creations should give you some inspiration & palpatations...
Ed
(07-01-2013, 04:32 AM)mantahead yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eaton-GM-Ford-Me...409wt_1137
There are also some listed that come with the oil, and some with bearings and the oil.
(07-01-2013, 04:32 AM)mantahead yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eaton-GM-Ford-Me...409wt_1137
There are also some listed that come with the oil, and some with bearings and the oil.
(06-28-2013, 10:08 AM)barrote from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
this is worth looking into!
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(06-28-2013, 10:08 AM)barrote from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
this is worth looking into!
english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates
(07-01-2013, 07:28 AM)yankneck696 Look up "Crazy Carl Whipple " for how it was done on a 24 valve Cummins. His wild creations should give you some inspiration & palpatations...yea,
Ed
i was talking to this guy on competition diesel, seems to have tried everything with superchargers and turbos. nice guy.
(07-01-2013, 07:33 PM)OM616thanks for that om616.(07-01-2013, 04:32 AM)mantahead yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eaton-GM-Ford-Me...409wt_1137
There are also some listed that come with the oil, and some with bearings and the oil.
(07-02-2013, 12:57 AM)bricktronyea,(06-28-2013, 10:08 AM)barrote from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
this is worth looking into!
i will make a divertor flap.
(07-01-2013, 07:28 AM)yankneck696 Look up "Crazy Carl Whipple " for how it was done on a 24 valve Cummins. His wild creations should give you some inspiration & palpatations...yea,
Ed
i was talking to this guy on competition diesel, seems to have tried everything with superchargers and turbos. nice guy.
(07-01-2013, 07:33 PM)OM616thanks for that om616.(07-01-2013, 04:32 AM)mantahead yea, there seems to be that spring loaded dampener on mine.
any links to a rubber coupler?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eaton-GM-Ford-Me...409wt_1137
There are also some listed that come with the oil, and some with bearings and the oil.
(07-02-2013, 12:57 AM)bricktronyea,(06-28-2013, 10:08 AM)barrote from 2/3 k on , i m sure the turbo will suck a lot more air than the charger will be able to pressurize.
this is worth looking into!
i will make a divertor flap.
, i think is easy for u to do that.keep us updated on the progresso.
regards
FD
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(07-02-2013, 05:04 AM)barrote yep, maybe u should consider finding an air conditioner puley clutch to kill the compressor when u reach the value of one at the compressor inletyea,
keep us updated on the progresso.
regards
FD
would be a good idea but that pulley is so small and can't make it bigger or charger would be slower.
anyone know if there is a 3 inch clutch pulley available, or smaller?
(07-02-2013, 05:04 AM)barrote yep, maybe u should consider finding an air conditioner puley clutch to kill the compressor when u reach the value of one at the compressor inletyea,
keep us updated on the progresso.
regards
FD
would be a good idea but that pulley is so small and can't make it bigger or charger would be slower.
anyone know if there is a 3 inch clutch pulley available, or smaller?
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
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willbhere4u
07-02-2013, 09:33 AM #20check this out a small pulley with a clutch http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=59&p=180988
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
(07-02-2013, 09:33 AM)willbhere4u check this out a small pulley with a clutch http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=59&p=180988thanks for that.
(07-02-2013, 09:33 AM)willbhere4u check this out a small pulley with a clutch http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=59&p=180988thanks for that.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
07-03-2013, 10:13 AM #22Saw that awhile back while building a WRX and thought that was a nifty idea
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
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(01-01-2014, 12:31 PM)mantahead cheers for that, i have mine made also.
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you dont thing that belt will slip with that belt ?
how much rows is it ?
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