Intercooler picture thread?
Intercooler picture thread?
06-08-2013, 06:59 PM
#1
I've seen pics of people's setups but they have only been the "At a Glance" sorta of picture. Any pics detailing pipe routing, sizing, etc.? It's tight down there, how can i fit my pipe?
This post was last modified: 08-30-2013, 10:40 AM by winmutt.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-08-2013, 06:59 PM #1I'd like to put an Air to Air in the W123. Behind grill or under bumper, whatever space allows for. I will have all AC stuff removed.
I've seen pics of people's setups but they have only been the "At a Glance" sorta of picture. Any pics detailing pipe routing, sizing, etc.? It's tight down there, how can i fit my pipe?
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
06-10-2013, 02:40 PM
#3
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-10-2013, 02:40 PM #3Its just tough to imagine without going electrical fans. Cutting metal and who knows what else.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
![[Image: 2_zps5b4a1a6a.jpg]](http://s62.photobucket.com/user/a10ruk/media/300TD/2_zps5b4a1a6a.jpg.html)
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06-10-2013, 05:09 PM
#5
(06-10-2013, 02:40 PM)lgreeley83 Its just tough to imagine without going electrical fans. Cutting metal and who knows what else.
And that's why I went with a smaller intercooler. Sure its not ideal, but cutting the bumper support or losing AC.... neither were justifiable. With a 602/605 there is way more room to move things around.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(06-10-2013, 02:40 PM)lgreeley83 Its just tough to imagine without going electrical fans. Cutting metal and who knows what else.
And that's why I went with a smaller intercooler. Sure its not ideal, but cutting the bumper support or losing AC.... neither were justifiable. With a 602/605 there is way more room to move things around.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
![[Image: null_zps7bd81b02.jpg]](http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p677/mfsuper90/mercedes/null_zps7bd81b02.jpg)
06-10-2013, 09:36 PM
#7
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-10-2013, 09:36 PM #7I've got the w115 manifold and have been considering that. Without a crossflow head I'm think it's the best bet. Every pic of a w123 air to air I think has had a non stock radiator and relocated oil cooler thus allowing some space. Maybe I'm wrong.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
06-10-2013, 10:47 PM
#8
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-10-2013, 10:47 PM #8That air water looks like something someone was selling a few months back.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
06-11-2013, 10:26 AM
#9
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
![[Image: IMG_3707.jpg]](http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/volvoturbopower/W201/IMG_3707.jpg)
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![[Image: intercooler_installed2.jpg]](http://www.w124performance.com/images/SuperTurbo/Zeitgeist/intercooler_installed2.jpg)
![[Image: 1.jpg]](http://www.rodionenkin.de/mbdt/w124603-3/1.jpg)
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06-12-2013, 10:18 AM
#13
(06-11-2013, 09:56 PM)MFSuper90 Was it yours originally winmutt?
It was.
I test fitted piping and IC last night. Will get some metal from HD today and start working on the brackets, promise I'll take plenty of pics of routing etc.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(06-11-2013, 09:56 PM)MFSuper90 Was it yours originally winmutt?
It was.
I test fitted piping and IC last night. Will get some metal from HD today and start working on the brackets, promise I'll take plenty of pics of routing etc.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
06-16-2013, 10:02 PM
#14
Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.
This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.
I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d
2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....
This post was last modified: 06-16-2013, 10:51 PM by lgreeley83.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-16-2013, 10:02 PM #14Off topic but in the same realm...
Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.
This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.
I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d
2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
06-21-2013, 02:28 AM
#15
(06-16-2013, 10:02 PM)lgreeley83 Off topic but in the same realm...
Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.
This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.
I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d
2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....
make sure the sides is -kinda airtight- if you opens up, gives better flow throu radiator.
how much power are you planing? got a w123 coupe with om602turbo with dialed up pump and 280E radiator, got heatproblems when making long pushes.
This post was last modified: 06-21-2013, 02:29 AM by swampmonkey.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
06-21-2013, 02:28 AM #15(06-16-2013, 10:02 PM)lgreeley83 Off topic but in the same realm...
Anybody know if the w123 240d radiator swaps with the 300d radiator? With a manual trans i wouldnt need the integrated cooler. Could I use the same hoses? Would the 300d oil cooler mount to it? I could delete the overflow tank.
This would allow more room for ic pipes as well as clean up the engine bay even more. I know cooling wouldn't be as great. I'd go electrical fan. The last pic above has a beast motor behind the 240 radiator it looks like.
I am getting lazy and don't feel like fabbing anything. Every one of my projects seems to go way longer than it should.
http://www.greasecar.com/forums/tech-tip...nto-a-300d
2 min on Google. Seems OK I guess.....
make sure the sides is -kinda airtight- if you opens up, gives better flow throu radiator.
how much power are you planing? got a w123 coupe with om602turbo with dialed up pump and 280E radiator, got heatproblems when making long pushes.
---------------------------------
daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
06-21-2013, 09:26 AM
#16
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
06-21-2013, 09:26 AM #16Not too much, maybe 200 HP. I'll have 6mm (90cc fuel) pump on om617. 60 trim in the Garrett turbo.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
![[Image: 2013-07-04%2009.36.22.jpg]](http://winmutt.com/images/benz/w124.1987.300d/intercooler.fitment/2013-07-04%2009.36.22.jpg)
07-07-2013, 07:22 PM
#18
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-07-2013, 07:22 PM #18Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-07-2013, 08:10 PM
#19
(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
At the end of the day, the space issue was still the same with the rad as the a/a intercoler. Then there was the space for the tank and yada yada. Most importantly is that you cant get on many courses (none around here) with a non oem air/water intercooler.
![[Image: fmic.lights.jpg]](http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/w124.1987.300d/intercooler.fitment/fmic.lights.jpg)
I have 4" clearence under the IC, went over some minor speed bumps no issue. I will probably redo the mounts and get it another 1" higher off the ground maybe and with some piping rework get better clearance.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
At the end of the day, the space issue was still the same with the rad as the a/a intercoler. Then there was the space for the tank and yada yada. Most importantly is that you cant get on many courses (none around here) with a non oem air/water intercooler.
I have 4" clearence under the IC, went over some minor speed bumps no issue. I will probably redo the mounts and get it another 1" higher off the ground maybe and with some piping rework get better clearance.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
07-07-2013, 09:24 PM
#20
(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
07-07-2013, 09:24 PM #20(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
07-08-2013, 02:27 PM
#21
(07-07-2013, 09:24 PM)lgreeley83(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)
I'm pretty sure Captain America could fab you one if you sent him your manifold, he is a welder by trade lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
07-08-2013, 02:27 PM #21(07-07-2013, 09:24 PM)lgreeley83(07-07-2013, 07:22 PM)Captain America Air/Water is the most efficient so why not go that route?
I need one like yours. Is that guy still alive? I've got an extra 115 mani for him to mod for me. :-)
I'm pretty sure Captain America could fab you one if you sent him your manifold, he is a welder by trade lol
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
07-08-2013, 02:36 PM
#22
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-08-2013, 02:36 PM #22Yeah I might be able to do that at the new place I'm working at, we are still setting up the shop so I'm at least a few weeks out
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-11-2013, 06:17 PM
#23
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
07-11-2013, 06:17 PM #23I can't really find it right now on my phone, but what about the style FI used, I believe it was A/W and looked like a cylinder that ran parallel to the intake manifold
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
07-11-2013, 07:22 PM
#24
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-292.html
This post was last modified: 07-11-2013, 07:38 PM by lgreeley83.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
07-11-2013, 07:22 PM #24Yeah that would be good too. Allow for work on the turbo without the big old A/W manifold in the way
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-292.html
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
08-30-2013, 10:46 AM
#25
Before:
After:
![[Image: fmic.tuck.part1.jpg]](http://superturbodiesel.com/images/benz/w124.1987.300d/intercooler.fitment/fmic.tuck.part1.jpg)
I accomplished this by cutting into the radiator support about 1" where the plane of the back part of the support ends up at the top and then bent the sides back like wings. Kinda hard to describe without pics (which I should have taken). Doesn't seem like big numbers but the difference is pretty clear! At this point, the top mounts of the IC are about 1/4" off the bumper. I can remove all of the side material on the radiator mount and pound it flat and get the mount points underneath. To mount that I will have to drill a big hole through to top of the bumper support to allow access to a smaller hole for the bolt to go through to mount into the top of the intercooler. At that point the intercooler would almost be vertical and probably gain another 1/2" of clearance on the bottom as well as allow for a spoiler to go over it.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Got a little lift and tuck at the pastic surgeons today.
Before:
After:
I accomplished this by cutting into the radiator support about 1" where the plane of the back part of the support ends up at the top and then bent the sides back like wings. Kinda hard to describe without pics (which I should have taken). Doesn't seem like big numbers but the difference is pretty clear! At this point, the top mounts of the IC are about 1/4" off the bumper. I can remove all of the side material on the radiator mount and pound it flat and get the mount points underneath. To mount that I will have to drill a big hole through to top of the bumper support to allow access to a smaller hole for the bolt to go through to mount into the top of the intercooler. At that point the intercooler would almost be vertical and probably gain another 1/2" of clearance on the bottom as well as allow for a spoiler to go over it.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
09-03-2013, 06:19 AM
#26
While on the Intercooler topic.
Is there any sense in using the free integrated cooler (probably for the transmission) on a 300GD for a A/W intercooler? I know the temp would only cool to water temp of motor if that low. That would make things a lot simpler.
Alan
Hi,
While on the Intercooler topic.
Is there any sense in using the free integrated cooler (probably for the transmission) on a 300GD for a A/W intercooler? I know the temp would only cool to water temp of motor if that low. That would make things a lot simpler.
Alan
09-03-2013, 11:26 AM
#27
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
![[Image: PicMonkeyCollage_zpsc1d9cd5f.jpg]](http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/1911diesel/media/PicMonkeyCollage_zpsc1d9cd5f.jpg.html)
1911diesel
09-03-2013, 11:26 AM #27i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
09-03-2013, 05:03 PM
#29
(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
09-03-2013, 06:38 PM
#30
(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime
well, you can think what you want, but it really depends on the application you are using the intercooler on, besides that. cooler charge air no matter how its cooled it has to be better then hot charge air.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
09-03-2013, 06:38 PM #30(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
But he is right, I would definitely recommend making a seperate cooling system. It's really not that tough to setup a seperate system, I'll post better pics of mine sometime
well, you can think what you want, but it really depends on the application you are using the intercooler on, besides that. cooler charge air no matter how its cooled it has to be better then hot charge air.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
09-04-2013, 08:57 PM
#31
(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
raysorenson
09-04-2013, 08:57 PM #31(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
09-04-2013, 11:05 PM
#32
(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.
Here is mine
Had to make new turnbuckles, Rudolf's were garbage
(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water
This post was last modified: 09-04-2013, 11:06 PM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-04-2013, 11:05 PM #32(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.
Here is mine
Had to make new turnbuckles, Rudolf's were garbage
(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-05-2013, 10:21 AM
#33
(09-04-2013, 11:05 PM)Captain America(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.
Here is mine
Had to make new turnbuckles, Rudolf's were garbage
(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water
Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?
"Rusty" 85 300D
(09-04-2013, 11:05 PM)Captain America(09-03-2013, 11:26 AM)1911diesel i think the idea of the extra cooler system is to keep temps cooler. altho a w/a intercooler will not bring charge air temps lower then "out side" temps unless its hooked up to the ac system or an ice tank. but generally speaking, it wont cool as well as a a/a intercooler. and when you go hooking it to something thats already hot, like engine or tranny cooling fluids, you are just reducing the efficiency. im sure it would work, just not as well as it could.
You dont "hook into" them. If using coolant you use 1mm bleed holes just to keep the levels between the engine cooling system and the A/W cooling system equal. You keep 1 fill point that way instead of having 2... but they are still separate.
Here is mine
Had to make new turnbuckles, Rudolf's were garbage
(09-04-2013, 08:57 PM)raysorenson(09-03-2013, 05:03 PM)MFSuper90 Actually W/A intercoolers are more efficient than A/A.
When you say "more efficient", are you speaking in terms of thermal capacity, the rate at which the system sheds heat to the air or restriction?
I would say capacity is much more and rate of change is much less with water
Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?
"Rusty" 85 300D
09-05-2013, 02:13 PM
#34
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
09-05-2013, 02:13 PM #34He has a stock Garrett rebuilt with a .60 trim compressor housing
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
09-06-2013, 02:39 AM
#36
(09-05-2013, 10:21 AM)85-300D Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?
Thank you. And yeah, haha, super badass Garrett T3 with the 60 trim comp wheel lol. You can find the detailed infor on it in the turbo sticky thread. Its the second post
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...l#pid28225
This post was last modified: 09-06-2013, 02:41 AM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
09-06-2013, 02:39 AM #36(09-05-2013, 10:21 AM)85-300D Nice looking setup. What turbo are you running?
Thank you. And yeah, haha, super badass Garrett T3 with the 60 trim comp wheel lol. You can find the detailed infor on it in the turbo sticky thread. Its the second post
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...l#pid28225
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
09-06-2013, 02:32 PM
#37
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”
Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."
That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.
My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
![[Image: null_zps0a3939db.jpg]](http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p677/mfsuper90/mercedes/null_zps0a3939db.jpg)
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
"What ranges of efficiency can be expected from an intercooler?
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”
Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."
That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.
My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
09-06-2013, 07:47 PM
#39
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
sassparilla_kid
09-06-2013, 07:47 PM #39Mist?
-1982 300D Turbo, 280k miles, ALDA apparently maxxed, fram 8038, 12 lbs boost, non-egr manifolds, W/M injection, 4 brake light mod, Gen II w126 front rotors/calipers, 4-speed swap
In the works: A/W IC, adjust pump, turbo rebuild (w/60 trim comp wheel)
-1980 300SD, 110k, project car. Goal is to get it lookin' like it did on the showroom floor (body and interior wise, not necessarily under the hood )
-1974 240D, FRESH PAINT!!!!!!
09-07-2013, 02:57 PM
#41
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
09-07-2013, 03:22 PM
#42
(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.
(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.
This post was last modified: 09-07-2013, 03:23 PM by 1911diesel.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
1911diesel
09-07-2013, 03:22 PM #42(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.
(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
well i dont know about on a benz, but on the 7.3 idi a fellow FTE board member has 3 nozzles one pre turbo ( yes pre turbo) one pre cooler and one just before the intake. and he runs no meth, just water. and he says it dropped his egts by a lot. take that for what you will. but i plan on running one nozzle pre cooler and one post cooler. but be careful, too much water can cause pinging and damage the tops of pistons. i saw pics of the damage it has caused ill see if i can dig up the thread or the pics on FTE.
82 300SD-this engine may go in the 78...-Mary Jane
78 300CD-may be getting a new engine and rear end...-Brunhilde
82 300CD-uhhh race car project???-Gerda
85 300SD- the womans daily ITS F**KING PINK!-Tsybil
92 F350 CC LB dually-back up/tow pig/long haul land yacht.-Betsey
JarrusJenkins
Unregistered
09-08-2013, 07:20 AM
#43
(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,
Where did you get the core for your intercooler?
JarrusJenkins
09-08-2013, 07:20 AM #43(09-07-2013, 02:57 PM)MFSuper90 How would you mist a w/a?
And I've been thinking about running a w/m setup to clean up my ports (they are grimy as hell from egr), probably not a good idea to shoot before the cooler is it?
Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,
Where did you get the core for your intercooler?
09-08-2013, 09:41 AM
#44
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Right so there is water injection in the intake (preturbo / pre & postintercooler and also misting on the intercooler itself, which can improve efficiency 20-30% of the intercooler. Injecting directly into the intake is more efficient of course (20% more efficiency at the intercooler will not yield the same results). I already plan on doing direct in the intake. I hit 105 in 4th yesterday and my egts were 1050 or so, my care is loving this cooler climate. In the summer we are 90+ all summer long usually and into the hundreds for a few weeks.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
09-08-2013, 10:59 AM
#45
(09-08-2013, 07:20 AM)JarrusJenkins Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,
Where did you get the core for your intercooler?
Ask winmutt, he built it
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(09-08-2013, 07:20 AM)JarrusJenkins Best after the your W/A intercooler, else the water will condense on the charge cooler elements,
Where did you get the core for your intercooler?
Ask winmutt, he built it
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
10-02-2013, 04:23 PM
#46
Damn it.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Totally thought I was breaking new ice with my Evo6 intercooler swap into my W210 until I saw the one fitted to the poo brown squaredy Merc in winmutts post further up.
Damn it.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
10-03-2013, 01:11 PM
#47
![[Image: null_zpsfc53fd27.jpg]](http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj544/Titotyfus/null_zpsfc53fd27.jpg)
![[Image: 04B7AD10-054F-4367-AA26-B1D5D8158E3F-747...1380740995]](http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj544/Titotyfus/04B7AD10-054F-4367-AA26-B1D5D8158E3F-747-00000207B39116D1_zps0cf79be5.jpg?t=1380740995)
![[Image: 474740EA-1F45-4F13-AC89-93159D833ABA-747...1380740986]](http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj544/Titotyfus/474740EA-1F45-4F13-AC89-93159D833ABA-747-00000207A3E5FDF5_zpsd1d4d2e8.jpg?t=1380740986)
Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great
This post was last modified: 10-03-2013, 01:12 PM by Tito.
here's some (crappy) pictures of my intercooler setup. I wanted a clean and stealth look. The hoses fit really tight under the headlamp units. There's some adjustment needed. Essentially, everything that stick out under the unit needs to be removed.
Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great
10-03-2013, 05:01 PM
#48
(09-06-2013, 02:32 PM)MFSuper90 "What ranges of efficiency can be expected from an intercooler?
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”
Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."
That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.
My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face annoyed.
(10-03-2013, 01:11 PM)Tito here's some (crappy) pictures of my intercooler setup. I wanted a clean and stealth look. The hoses fit really tight under the headlamp units. There's some adjustment needed. Essentially, everything that stick out under the unit needs to be removed.Looks good
Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great
This post was last modified: 10-03-2013, 05:02 PM by lgreeley83.
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
10-03-2013, 05:01 PM #48(09-06-2013, 02:32 PM)MFSuper90 "What ranges of efficiency can be expected from an intercooler?
A typical air-to-air intercooler for a street application achieves between 60% and 70% efficiency, an excellent/optimum design for road racing can approach close to 90% efficiency, but requires an adequate "budget!”
Typically, a liquid-to-air intercooler achieves higher efficiencies than an air-to-air intercooler, starting at 75% efficiency and reaching peaks of 95% efficiency. Another advantage is the optional use of ice as a coolant, which is the only way to reduce the charge-air temperature below the ambient air temperature."
That quote is from Bell's website. But I also found some of the frequently ask questions contradicting sometimes.
My intercooler. Winmutts old setup
I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face annoyed.
(10-03-2013, 01:11 PM)Tito here's some (crappy) pictures of my intercooler setup. I wanted a clean and stealth look. The hoses fit really tight under the headlamp units. There's some adjustment needed. Essentially, everything that stick out under the unit needs to be removed.Looks good
Just got the car up and running a hour ago. Sounds great
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
10-05-2013, 10:24 AM
#49
(10-03-2013, 05:01 PM)lgreeley83 I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face
Believe it or not, they weren't that bad. But I am not a very big guy, so I Can fit my little arms and hands in places most guys can't
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(10-03-2013, 05:01 PM)lgreeley83 I imagine the manifold nuts were horrible to get at. Like punch yourself in the face
Believe it or not, they weren't that bad. But I am not a very big guy, so I Can fit my little arms and hands in places most guys can't
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
10-11-2013, 07:01 PM
#50
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
10-11-2013, 07:01 PM #50I like the in front of radiator placement, but some of us still have A/C. Maybe delete the mechanical fan and make it go A/A intercooler -> A/C exchanger ->Radiator -> spal. Deleting the fan in exchange for a spal would make more room to move the radiator closer to the engine. Hmm
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
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