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(07-11-2013, 05:47 PM)Mark_M Tomnik stopped selling them separately as well and would only supply them to a Diesel shop (PPD on here I think?). To many problems with people thinking it was a DIY install and getting the obvious bad results.
Isn't that what Mercedes entusiast is all about, to get to the point of breaking your own car eventualy, did you guys succeded from the first shot every time ... without getting bad results ?
If somebody sends me elements (that are not Transit ones or China made
))I promise i will not have negative feedback... if this is not enough for convincing, than it's not about saveing peoples pumps but it's about bussiness and rip offs
))Thank you guys anyway i will do it with or without ... i thougt it might be easy this way
))Take care
(07-11-2013, 05:47 PM)Mark_M Tomnik stopped selling them separately as well and would only supply them to a Diesel shop (PPD on here I think?). To many problems with people thinking it was a DIY install and getting the obvious bad results.
Isn't that what Mercedes entusiast is all about, to get to the point of breaking your own car eventualy, did you guys succeded from the first shot every time ... without getting bad results ?
If somebody sends me elements (that are not Transit ones or China made
))I promise i will not have negative feedback... if this is not enough for convincing, than it's not about saveing peoples pumps but it's about bussiness and rip offs
))Thank you guys anyway i will do it with or without ... i thougt it might be easy this way
))Take care
Just send it to Goran (Dieselmechen) & get a pump that is fully capable of snapping your crankshaft a few times, or have him tune it for your specific needs.
Just trying to give the best agvise possible,
Ed
yankneck696
07-12-2013, 06:59 AM #7To get correct results, you need a test bench setup. It would cost more to build one of them than having Dieselmechen go through your whole pump. Too many people tried & failed,. Too many complaints. It got to the point that Tomnick ended up leaving the site partly due to the badmouthing from people trying to install their own elements. I also think he would have been lucky to break even, but most likely lost money in the long run.
Just send it to Goran (Dieselmechen) & get a pump that is fully capable of snapping your crankshaft a few times, or have him tune it for your specific needs.
Just trying to give the best agvise possible,
Ed
(07-12-2013, 06:59 AM)yankneck696 To get correct results, you need a test bench setup. It would cost more to build one of them than having Dieselmechen go through your whole pump. Too many people tried & failed,. Too many complaints. It got to the point that Tomnick ended up leaving the site partly due to the badmouthing from people trying to install their own elements. I also think he would have been lucky to break even, but most likely lost money in the long run.
Just send it to Goran (Dieselmechen) & get a pump that is fully capable of snapping your crankshaft a few times, or have him tune it for your specific needs.
Just trying to give the best agvise possible,
Ed
I totally agree, some things are worth subbing out - i would spend your time solving the other problems high output diesels offer, like snapped drive shafts, slipping clutches, excessive tyre wear etc.
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
07-12-2013, 08:56 AM #8(07-12-2013, 06:59 AM)yankneck696 To get correct results, you need a test bench setup. It would cost more to build one of them than having Dieselmechen go through your whole pump. Too many people tried & failed,. Too many complaints. It got to the point that Tomnick ended up leaving the site partly due to the badmouthing from people trying to install their own elements. I also think he would have been lucky to break even, but most likely lost money in the long run.
Just send it to Goran (Dieselmechen) & get a pump that is fully capable of snapping your crankshaft a few times, or have him tune it for your specific needs.
Just trying to give the best agvise possible,
Ed
I totally agree, some things are worth subbing out - i would spend your time solving the other problems high output diesels offer, like snapped drive shafts, slipping clutches, excessive tyre wear etc.
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
But Dieselmaken and Tomnik warent born with big plungers in theyr hands right (if you know what i mean
)... they devolped that whole life of theyrs by trial and error.Just because the world if full of haters that don't know what they're doing and think the know it all .. and end up with broken engines that doesn't mean i am one of them, doesn mean i will play that game eather.
It only means that the whole concept of the Mercedes diesel engines is form the 60's and i don't understand what the big secret is all about.
My pump is electric .... i don't need all the rings and bells, all i need is retarded edge, not even look for horsepower, i have 240 on the crank with 5.5 right now, and nothing on the car can handle it ... right now.
All i need is to get sooth running engine with bug torque range so i can fool myself that i have CDI. So i figured out i can buy elements, but if i can ... screw it, i will just get BMW 535d or something, because you know what, they made all that we're talking about here right form the factory. If you need more, just put better injectors and better turbos (you can buy them by the way) and you have more, no need to beg anybody.
And for the end
I would like to be part of that forum, and to talk with people and share expirience and so and so ...
but if you just take a look of the topics you'll see that most of them are rotating in circles, such as : My goal is 400hp what shall i do, and from there it goes ...
Important is RANGE ... NOT HP,
Thats why i admireing all the technitians here such as Tomnik Dieselmaken Jeemu etc ... but there is no way in hell i would pay close to 1000Euro for 5 little pices of steel, especialy when i have all the technitians, verry good Mapper and all handy right here in BG.
Thank you for your time and good night
)))
As i said, thaks alot for your help, and i will do it other way, hope i will not live to eat my words
But Dieselmaken and Tomnik warent born with big plungers in theyr hands right (if you know what i mean )... they devolped that whole life of theyrs by trial and error.
Just because the world if full of haters that don't know what they're doing and think the know it all .. and end up with broken engines that doesn't mean i am one of them, doesn mean i will play that game eather.
It only means that the whole concept of the Mercedes diesel engines is form the 60's and i don't understand what the big secret is all about.
My pump is electric .... i don't need all the rings and bells, all i need is retarded edge, not even look for horsepower, i have 240 on the crank with 5.5 right now, and nothing on the car can handle it ... right now.
All i need is to get sooth running engine with bug torque range so i can fool myself that i have CDI. So i figured out i can buy elements, but if i can ... screw it, i will just get BMW 535d or something, because you know what, they made all that we're talking about here right form the factory. If you need more, just put better injectors and better turbos (you can buy them by the way) and you have more, no need to beg anybody.
And for the end
I would like to be part of that forum, and to talk with people and share expirience and so and so ...
but if you just take a look of the topics you'll see that most of them are rotating in circles, such as : My goal is 400hp what shall i do, and from there it goes ...
Important is RANGE ... NOT HP,
Thats why i admireing all the technitians here such as Tomnik Dieselmaken Jeemu etc ... but there is no way in hell i would pay close to 1000Euro for 5 little pices of steel, especialy when i have all the technitians, verry good Mapper and all handy right here in BG.
Thank you for your time and good night )))
So why don't you do the same? stop complaining and start making elements yourself? Then YOU can be the nice guy that sell cheap top quality elements to everyone that want to try to build pumps. As you said: you have all the technicians right there in BG.
Tomnik and dieselmeken needed elements and what did they do? They did not complain about the Finns that did not want to sell them elements, they designed new elements and got someone to produce them.
So why don't you do the same? stop complaining and start making elements yourself? Then YOU can be the nice guy that sell cheap top quality elements to everyone that want to try to build pumps. As you said: you have all the technicians right there in BG.
well let´s put some gas on the fire, once i read in this fórum and written by dieselmeken, something like , " i share my knowledge, there is no point on take it to the grave" and far as i´m concerned understood that he was happy to share is ideas and his endeavours, that´s why a PM him to sell me some 6 elements for my M pump, was astonished with the answear" I ONLY SELL TO DIESEL SHOPS" what a good answear it was.
Does he thinks that diesel shops in my coutry dont have 7.5 elements to fit on this pumps? does he thinks that in my country we dont have CNC machines, have u ever stop to think that people in country are or is at this time overhauling diesel pumps.
what a mistery is bollshit of a diesel pump compared with a turbine engine governor??? we do those overhaulings in Portugal!!!!
Along with a lot of tech, for instance have u ever thought that we have at least 20 engeniers and factories working for ESA "european spage agency" and some of them were in the school with us and still live in the same street.
what i mean is that i dont have enough Money to overhaul a diesel pump, or i dont want to spend 1000€ doing it, i just want the elements , ok if u are not willing to sell them , stop posting about that , go do your business to some place else. any overhauling facility in europe can fix a pump for 7.5 7 6.5 , elements , is just the cost of overhauling it.
and by the way, who wants a OM612, or a OM647, or a OM613, 642 , and other alike for less tha a 1000€ ,
do we really need pumps and elements, not sure , what we want is to get the hands dirty and doing by ourselfes, anything besides that for me is Business, for business there a all lot places to go in my street.
the best regards for those who agree with me , for the others the same.
FD,
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hy fine people,
well let´s put some gas on the fire, once i read in this fórum and written by dieselmeken, something like , " i share my knowledge, there is no point on take it to the grave" and far as i´m concerned understood that he was happy to share is ideas and his endeavours, that´s why a PM him to sell me some 6 elements for my M pump, was astonished with the answear" I ONLY SELL TO DIESEL SHOPS" what a good answear it was.
Does he thinks that diesel shops in my coutry dont have 7.5 elements to fit on this pumps? does he thinks that in my country we dont have CNC machines, have u ever stop to think that people in country are or is at this time overhauling diesel pumps.
what a mistery is bollshit of a diesel pump compared with a turbine engine governor??? we do those overhaulings in Portugal!!!!
Along with a lot of tech, for instance have u ever thought that we have at least 20 engeniers and factories working for ESA "european spage agency" and some of them were in the school with us and still live in the same street.
what i mean is that i dont have enough Money to overhaul a diesel pump, or i dont want to spend 1000€ doing it, i just want the elements , ok if u are not willing to sell them , stop posting about that , go do your business to some place else. any overhauling facility in europe can fix a pump for 7.5 7 6.5 , elements , is just the cost of overhauling it.
and by the way, who wants a OM612, or a OM647, or a OM613, 642 , and other alike for less tha a 1000€ ,
do we really need pumps and elements, not sure , what we want is to get the hands dirty and doing by ourselfes, anything besides that for me is Business, for business there a all lot places to go in my street.
the best regards for those who agree with me , for the others the same.
FD,
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(07-13-2013, 04:46 PM)sorin_cel i'm agree with you people(vesopa&barrote).other nations knows to tune m pumps as well, not the just the scandinavians.i like them, they are smart and they are doing nice jobs, but yes, 1000 euros for a pump , is too much.see you on the forum.Around here I'd be paying the equivelent to more than 1000 euros for a standard pump rebuilt so 1000-1200 euro for a super pump is not too bad.
(07-13-2013, 04:46 PM)sorin_cel i'm agree with you people(vesopa&barrote).other nations knows to tune m pumps as well, not the just the scandinavians.i like them, they are smart and they are doing nice jobs, but yes, 1000 euros for a pump , is too much.see you on the forum.Around here I'd be paying the equivelent to more than 1000 euros for a standard pump rebuilt so 1000-1200 euro for a super pump is not too bad.
we are use to pay and have high salary's but in the end there is not so much left.
but why do you think Tomnik left STD and Dieselmeken says like he do?????
because if they sell to everybody, they get tons off problems with people who thinks that changing elements is like changing glow plugs.
After more than 27 years engine remanufacturing I think I could manages to changes element and get them to work but I don't bother trying I just send it to Dieselmeken I even send the injectors with the pump because then I know everything is 100% ok.
remember its a free world everybody can do what they like so stop complaining.
Hansendk
Well prices are different around the world so 1000 euro is not the same for every one, try buy a car in Denmark you have to pay for 3 to get 1 or buy a cucumber I Norway that's how it is when you live in Scandinavia.
we are use to pay and have high salary's but in the end there is not so much left.
but why do you think Tomnik left STD and Dieselmeken says like he do?????
because if they sell to everybody, they get tons off problems with people who thinks that changing elements is like changing glow plugs.
After more than 27 years engine remanufacturing I think I could manages to changes element and get them to work but I don't bother trying I just send it to Dieselmeken I even send the injectors with the pump because then I know everything is 100% ok.
remember its a free world everybody can do what they like so stop complaining.
Hansendk
I have sold elements to workshops, phone & mail, why does it not work? Well you dont have the knowhow in these parts, sorry.
Is it my obligation then to tell everybody how I do?
I understand now why Tom left the board, I will do the same thing soon.
I am a business man, dont forget that, This is part of my living, if you have any problems with that I make money on my investment, you have big problems.
Go ahead and make your own element, I can only sat Good Luck.
dieselmeken
07-13-2013, 10:23 PM #15I Have spendt around 40.000:- USD in developing, testing and producing my elements, still there is not one element that fit 100%, not work 100%, I have to take pumps apart 2-3 times to change elements to get it to work 100%, THATs why I dont like to sell these parts to regular people that think that they can do it yourself. In 100% I need to change rollers because the phasing is of limit, elements that dont keep tight and deliver fuel, elements that are wrong just by 1/2 degree in helix angle, elements that stick when deliveryvalve is tighten with correct tourqe, elements that are wrom in diameter outside so that regulating sleeve stick.
I have sold elements to workshops, phone & mail, why does it not work? Well you dont have the knowhow in these parts, sorry.
Is it my obligation then to tell everybody how I do?
I understand now why Tom left the board, I will do the same thing soon.
I am a business man, dont forget that, This is part of my living, if you have any problems with that I make money on my investment, you have big problems.
Go ahead and make your own element, I can only sat Good Luck.
I apreciate the fact you're in bussines, however it's transparent that your price is overinflated for the average person.
Maybe if i were in TractorPulling things will be different.
They year is 2013, better move those quickly before they go out of stiyle.
With all due respect,
I apreciate the fact you're in bussines, however it's transparent that your price is overinflated for the average person.
Maybe if i were in TractorPulling things will be different.
They year is 2013, better move those quickly before they go out of stiyle.
You could just buy these ones http://www.dieselkontor.de/product_info....ts_id=3271, & get back to us on how that went.
i had some ideas like you one time,
do you know how many times i had the pump off the car?
have you read this??
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...ieselmeken
hi vesopa,
i had some ideas like you one time,
do you know how many times i had the pump off the car?
have you read this??
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...ieselmeken
Wh can't we get a reputable shop in the USA to do these modifications? Because it is very time consuming. 1 person installed his purchased elements in his pump, found a way to basicly tune it & was happy.
THEN, he sent the pump to Dieselmechen, who measured the output & balance. It pretty far out of balance to the point of ANY rreputable diesel shop that put out a pump that far out would have been laughed at. Now, for a person without the right test bench & spare parts, the car owner did a fine job.
Goran took the pump, ran through it, tuned it & it was substantially better. are
Could someone post a link to the post I am referring to?
Lastly, the reason theat Tomnik left, is because of getting harassed by people like YOU. Goran does wonders with these pumps. YOU are liable to drive him & any other future TRUE pump tuners away from this forum. To me, that is CRIMINAL !!!
Why don't you just find some tractor elements & throw them in your pump? In europe, there are many other applications for M pumps that we do not have access to here in the USA.
Goran is in business. He has invested GREATLY in working on our pumps.He has ordered MANY elements & had to discard or further modify them to suit our purpose. I personally own a Cummins with a VP44 IP. If I want a true performance pump, I have to pay close to $2000 !!!! You are complaining about 1000 euros... Pffft.
If you wish to demean a very good pump man and act like this. go fins Lance (Forced Induction) & whine with him.
I am a buisness owner. Sole proprietor. Sometimes, if a person has the right tools , knowledge & abilities, I will advise them in repairs. If they don't, it is MY liability if their home burns down it is MY liability.
1. You DO NOT have the right tools
2. you MOST LIKELY do not have enough spares to balance correctly.
3. You DO NOT have the right expensive machine to measure the balance.
4. You may have no idea how to adjust the governor.
You would most likely fail miserably & blame the supplier of the elements.
THAT is why Tomnick has left us.
None of this is an attack. I am just trying to help you understand WHY Goran will not sell them.
He still hasn't found even 1 competent & willing pump shop in the USA to deal with & there are 3-4 in each major city.
Good day.
Ed
yankneck696
07-14-2013, 07:21 AM #19OK, for all the naysayers,
Wh can't we get a reputable shop in the USA to do these modifications? Because it is very time consuming. 1 person installed his purchased elements in his pump, found a way to basicly tune it & was happy.
THEN, he sent the pump to Dieselmechen, who measured the output & balance. It pretty far out of balance to the point of ANY rreputable diesel shop that put out a pump that far out would have been laughed at. Now, for a person without the right test bench & spare parts, the car owner did a fine job.
Goran took the pump, ran through it, tuned it & it was substantially better. are
Could someone post a link to the post I am referring to?
Lastly, the reason theat Tomnik left, is because of getting harassed by people like YOU. Goran does wonders with these pumps. YOU are liable to drive him & any other future TRUE pump tuners away from this forum. To me, that is CRIMINAL !!!
Why don't you just find some tractor elements & throw them in your pump? In europe, there are many other applications for M pumps that we do not have access to here in the USA.
Goran is in business. He has invested GREATLY in working on our pumps.He has ordered MANY elements & had to discard or further modify them to suit our purpose. I personally own a Cummins with a VP44 IP. If I want a true performance pump, I have to pay close to $2000 !!!! You are complaining about 1000 euros... Pffft.
If you wish to demean a very good pump man and act like this. go fins Lance (Forced Induction) & whine with him.
I am a buisness owner. Sole proprietor. Sometimes, if a person has the right tools , knowledge & abilities, I will advise them in repairs. If they don't, it is MY liability if their home burns down it is MY liability.
1. You DO NOT have the right tools
2. you MOST LIKELY do not have enough spares to balance correctly.
3. You DO NOT have the right expensive machine to measure the balance.
4. You may have no idea how to adjust the governor.
You would most likely fail miserably & blame the supplier of the elements.
THAT is why Tomnick has left us.
None of this is an attack. I am just trying to help you understand WHY Goran will not sell them.
He still hasn't found even 1 competent & willing pump shop in the USA to deal with & there are 3-4 in each major city.
Good day.
Ed
link is in my last post, i agree it would make some good reading.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...ieselmeken
hi yankneck696
link is in my last post, i agree it would make some good reading.
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thre...ieselmeken
(07-14-2013, 07:21 AM)yankneck696 Lastly, the reason theat Tomnik left, is because of getting harassed by people like YOU. Goran does wonders with these pumps. YOU are liable to drive him & any other future TRUE pump tuners away from this forum. To me, that is CRIMINAL !!!
Very well said!!! Tomnik and Dieselmeken are treasures that should be guarded from warren less attacks like this. For some one to pop up and drive away another member that has contributed to the forum, (and I personally think offering professional services at a profitable price is contributing, as there are not many places to consider), is just wrong, may be even a moderation issue.. .
I have been beaten up about how much I would charge to do a pump, I have even had a lawsuit brought against me, after not telling someone how to adjust their governor after they screwed it up trying it themselves!!!
This form, IMOP, is not about charity, the idea that because one member takes it upon himself to invest his time and recourses and develop a product or process that others desire, does not require him to share the results with the world for nothing... Instead of bitching, how about be inspired, and solve your problem as they did! Do not drive away those who have taken up a challenge because they want to recover their investment and compensate their time...
I do not think that anyone's ass should be kissed because of what they can do, but I do think that it is "our" duty to try and shield them from this kind of harassment as much as possible.
I sincerely appreciate what Tomnik and Dieselmeken have done, and understand why they would leave... I agree that it would be a crime against the forum...
(07-14-2013, 07:21 AM)yankneck696 Lastly, the reason theat Tomnik left, is because of getting harassed by people like YOU. Goran does wonders with these pumps. YOU are liable to drive him & any other future TRUE pump tuners away from this forum. To me, that is CRIMINAL !!!
Very well said!!! Tomnik and Dieselmeken are treasures that should be guarded from warren less attacks like this. For some one to pop up and drive away another member that has contributed to the forum, (and I personally think offering professional services at a profitable price is contributing, as there are not many places to consider), is just wrong, may be even a moderation issue.. .
I have been beaten up about how much I would charge to do a pump, I have even had a lawsuit brought against me, after not telling someone how to adjust their governor after they screwed it up trying it themselves!!!
This form, IMOP, is not about charity, the idea that because one member takes it upon himself to invest his time and recourses and develop a product or process that others desire, does not require him to share the results with the world for nothing... Instead of bitching, how about be inspired, and solve your problem as they did! Do not drive away those who have taken up a challenge because they want to recover their investment and compensate their time...
I do not think that anyone's ass should be kissed because of what they can do, but I do think that it is "our" duty to try and shield them from this kind of harassment as much as possible.
I sincerely appreciate what Tomnik and Dieselmeken have done, and understand why they would leave... I agree that it would be a crime against the forum...
(07-14-2013, 07:21 AM)yankneck696 go find Lance (Forced Induction) & whine with him.I remember having an argument with him on what I thought was this forum(but I can't find any evidence of me having an account here back then) where he insisted that it was impossible for a tuned Merc turbo diesel to rev to much past 5000rpm, I pointed out that the N/A stock 602 revs to 5200.
(07-14-2013, 07:21 AM)yankneck696 go find Lance (Forced Induction) & whine with him.I remember having an argument with him on what I thought was this forum(but I can't find any evidence of me having an account here back then) where he insisted that it was impossible for a tuned Merc turbo diesel to rev to much past 5000rpm, I pointed out that the N/A stock 602 revs to 5200.
can tell u that this fellow wich have this page online :http://www.w124performance.com/. has a lot of pertinet info. i thank to this person or group of persons.
second thing i was searching was the Bosch IP repair manual, u know what , couldnt find it here. what i find here is people trying to solve there problems and very often nobody is answearing properly. i try to give advices regarding my experience to thi people.
thats why i say if u are here as business men , why dont u say it and do your own business at your web page, instead of saying that u share your knowledge.
I just want to get my hands dirty , if i want to mess with my governor and in the end it will end up working wrong is my problema and i will not adress conplaint to anyone, the happens if i want to change the elements of my pump. if i can´t get it working thats my problema, but if somebody advertisse that he has this and that for sale, i want to buy is simple comercial relation, if this person is seling me cat instead of rabit , well thats my problema cause i bought it. and his is problema cause probably i´m going to advertisse against him.
thats all i can say , by the way mr dieselmeken why dont u publish a bosch repair manual, and literature about the several kinds of governors that can be fited on our pumps, that is something that i would aprecciate, i and most of people that can understand how a pump works. i believe if u do that and once people understand what Phasing is all about, most of them will stop asking u to sell those elements.
by the way my 605 rev´s a lot beon 6k , and is prety much stock, and u kow someting my M pump has no lift pump on it.
the best regards to all.
FD,
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da da da, u people just missed the point of things , first time i got to this fórum i was searching for a Mercedes benz shop repair manual for engines OM60x , they just prety much the same irespective of being 4 valves 4 cylinder or 2 valves 6 cylinder , and u know something, have read a lot of posts and there is no such a book here. find it out in some personal web pages.
can tell u that this fellow wich have this page online :http://www.w124performance.com/. has a lot of pertinet info. i thank to this person or group of persons.
second thing i was searching was the Bosch IP repair manual, u know what , couldnt find it here. what i find here is people trying to solve there problems and very often nobody is answearing properly. i try to give advices regarding my experience to thi people.
thats why i say if u are here as business men , why dont u say it and do your own business at your web page, instead of saying that u share your knowledge.
I just want to get my hands dirty , if i want to mess with my governor and in the end it will end up working wrong is my problema and i will not adress conplaint to anyone, the happens if i want to change the elements of my pump. if i can´t get it working thats my problema, but if somebody advertisse that he has this and that for sale, i want to buy is simple comercial relation, if this person is seling me cat instead of rabit , well thats my problema cause i bought it. and his is problema cause probably i´m going to advertisse against him.
thats all i can say , by the way mr dieselmeken why dont u publish a bosch repair manual, and literature about the several kinds of governors that can be fited on our pumps, that is something that i would aprecciate, i and most of people that can understand how a pump works. i believe if u do that and once people understand what Phasing is all about, most of them will stop asking u to sell those elements.
by the way my 605 rev´s a lot beon 6k , and is prety much stock, and u kow someting my M pump has no lift pump on it.
the best regards to all.
FD,
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I have been on this forum for around 10 years. If you read back for that long, you will be more confused than educated. Many haave tried internal pump upgrades & adjustments. When adjusting the pumps, I would say that 50% have had success. the rest had to usually pay someone to fix their screwups.
OM616 drafted an excellent paper on MW pump theory. Well written & informitive. Search it out & find out just how difficult an IP can be.
Read Mantahead's thread that he posted about his trials & how it all ended up.
These are people that have been at it for a decade or so.
OM616, how much do you have invested in your test bench project so far & how much more to complete it?
Ed
Also, Dieselmechen, if you dare leave this forum, I will fly to sweeden & put you in an IV drip of Akvavit until you come to your senses or fall on the floor.... Peace.
Ed
yankneck696
07-15-2013, 06:41 AM #24Barrote, you can call Bosch & surely buy a service manual. It won't be cheap.
I have been on this forum for around 10 years. If you read back for that long, you will be more confused than educated. Many haave tried internal pump upgrades & adjustments. When adjusting the pumps, I would say that 50% have had success. the rest had to usually pay someone to fix their screwups.
OM616 drafted an excellent paper on MW pump theory. Well written & informitive. Search it out & find out just how difficult an IP can be.
Read Mantahead's thread that he posted about his trials & how it all ended up.
These are people that have been at it for a decade or so.
OM616, how much do you have invested in your test bench project so far & how much more to complete it?
Ed
Also, Dieselmechen, if you dare leave this forum, I will fly to sweeden & put you in an IV drip of Akvavit until you come to your senses or fall on the floor.... Peace.
Ed
You're paying for R&D on the elements, the special shop equipment, and on the skilled labor to install and tweak them. $200 per element installed is cheap as hell if you ask me.
It's partially a labor of love..Tomnik, Dieselmenken, OM616...they're just like us, doing it because they like it. I'm sure all 3 could go off on their own and run other work that's happy to pay for it. So stop bitching.
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larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-15-2013, 08:03 AM #25I don't understand why everyone is bitching so much about the price.....$1000 to double your power is cheap in the car world. Yes a cummins or gas v8 can be doubled in output for less than $1000, but your buy in on the motor is going to be well over $1000.
You're paying for R&D on the elements, the special shop equipment, and on the skilled labor to install and tweak them. $200 per element installed is cheap as hell if you ask me.
It's partially a labor of love..Tomnik, Dieselmenken, OM616...they're just like us, doing it because they like it. I'm sure all 3 could go off on their own and run other work that's happy to pay for it. So stop bitching.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
by the way a 1000€ is the price of a overhaul in a bosch repair center, but correct me if i´m wrong, junk yard pump 300€ , shipment to dieselmeken in sweden i think , lets say 100 each trip , the man job plus elements 1000€ considering is asking this amount, end up with a 1500 € pump plus. for a 500€ engine??? in a 300€ car, and the fact is that i dont need 180cc or what ever he is puting there, just improving the injection.
i´ll tell u something , when i finish my software to run the electrical ones, maybe i´ll go after that element swap, and u know what i will sell the pump ECU with soft uploaded, by 3000€. well i wouldnt do such a thing , belive me when its done i will publish it here.
from now on i will stay still, best regards to all.
FD,
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hy , yep buying a bosch repair manual is something i´d never remembered.........daaaaa........... if one day i buy one i will put it here for everybody to read.
by the way a 1000€ is the price of a overhaul in a bosch repair center, but correct me if i´m wrong, junk yard pump 300€ , shipment to dieselmeken in sweden i think , lets say 100 each trip , the man job plus elements 1000€ considering is asking this amount, end up with a 1500 € pump plus. for a 500€ engine??? in a 300€ car, and the fact is that i dont need 180cc or what ever he is puting there, just improving the injection.
i´ll tell u something , when i finish my software to run the electrical ones, maybe i´ll go after that element swap, and u know what i will sell the pump ECU with soft uploaded, by 3000€. well i wouldnt do such a thing , belive me when its done i will publish it here.
from now on i will stay still, best regards to all.
FD,
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(07-15-2013, 06:41 AM)yankneck696 OM616, how much do you have invested in your test bench project so far & how much more to complete it?
Ed
So far I have:
A new 3PH 5HP motor,
A Variable Frequency Drive Controller (you can only use the variable phase control on 3ph motors, and because I only have 1ph, I had to get a 10hp controller and have it act as a phase converter... Much more expensive!!),
A set of Master injectors and lines,
A proper stroke counter / controller / Tachometer.
I still need to get a high pressure pump, control solenoids, delivered fuel indicators, material to fab up the machine, time making all the custom parts and fab up the machine, linear transducer for fuel delivery recording, TPS sensor, build mother board and have a program generated to record and plot out the fueling curve.
So to date I am at about $2500.00 and have another easy $2500.00 to go, and that is not counting my time. It would be a lot cheaper to send a pump out to the other side of the planet! lol.
Switching gears here so to speak, Mr. Barrote, have you not seen the videos that Dieselmeken has made that show him assembling the RSF governor and making adjustments to it? That is the information I believe you are looking for in the manual?? Bosch would be very upset if they saw that video! He has also made some videos of assembling some inline pumps, but he makes it look easy because he has all the proper tools and has forgotten more tricks to put them together than any of us will every know...
Any Bosch documentation will be of little use to you regarding performance tuning because Bosch only wants the OEM settings to be used. They do not get into how to keep the governor in balance after making and adjustment.
I have heard " it will be my fault if I mess it up and I will not complain" before, and that holds until you do mess it up and the reality that you spent $500.00 on elements, and what ever else it cost you to put them in hits you, and if you did not damage the engine, it will still cost you $700-$1000 to have a pump shop fix your pump and set it to stock settings.... plus as an added bonus, our wife will be bitching up a storm about, 1, you broke the car, and 2, all the mess and money you wasted!! This causes you to start to want to assign blame and start bitching that the elements were no good... The fact that you are bitching right now sets a strong precedent!!
If you want a 7mm element buy one from china, they are cheap. Then send them to a grind shop and have them mod the helix to deliver the fuel you want, (you will need to make a blue print to give them) and have them grind a retard notch ( where you want it) as well. Install them your self in the kitchen sink and let her rip!!!
We all get that you are not happy... Different countries have different views about distribution of stuff. You have expressed you opinion, and I think the majority of the core membership disagrees with you, and, you are driving a member away that the majority really appreciate and value, in this situation you are loosing nothing, but the majority is loosing a great resource and great member. I respectfully ask you to stop pushing you philosophies of sharing and business on the majority that has rejected it. This is not the proper section to do that in, there is a general discussion section that is for bitching about such philosophical views and opinions.
To Dieselmeken... I know we had a spirited debate of recent where I was indeed incorrect, and acknowledged as such. I also acknowledge that I was the "spirited" one lol... I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and do hope that you will think about truly leaving because of some nitwitches bitching that you will not take a great deal of time to divulge technical information that you have spent a great deal of time and money on to acquire, and do so for nothing, just because some one wants it and thinks because you have it, you should give it to him instead of him going though the same process you did to get that information. Thank you for what you have done and shared…. Even at a profit lol.
(07-15-2013, 06:41 AM)yankneck696 OM616, how much do you have invested in your test bench project so far & how much more to complete it?
Ed
So far I have:
A new 3PH 5HP motor,
A Variable Frequency Drive Controller (you can only use the variable phase control on 3ph motors, and because I only have 1ph, I had to get a 10hp controller and have it act as a phase converter... Much more expensive!!),
A set of Master injectors and lines,
A proper stroke counter / controller / Tachometer.
I still need to get a high pressure pump, control solenoids, delivered fuel indicators, material to fab up the machine, time making all the custom parts and fab up the machine, linear transducer for fuel delivery recording, TPS sensor, build mother board and have a program generated to record and plot out the fueling curve.
So to date I am at about $2500.00 and have another easy $2500.00 to go, and that is not counting my time. It would be a lot cheaper to send a pump out to the other side of the planet! lol.
Switching gears here so to speak, Mr. Barrote, have you not seen the videos that Dieselmeken has made that show him assembling the RSF governor and making adjustments to it? That is the information I believe you are looking for in the manual?? Bosch would be very upset if they saw that video! He has also made some videos of assembling some inline pumps, but he makes it look easy because he has all the proper tools and has forgotten more tricks to put them together than any of us will every know...
Any Bosch documentation will be of little use to you regarding performance tuning because Bosch only wants the OEM settings to be used. They do not get into how to keep the governor in balance after making and adjustment.
I have heard " it will be my fault if I mess it up and I will not complain" before, and that holds until you do mess it up and the reality that you spent $500.00 on elements, and what ever else it cost you to put them in hits you, and if you did not damage the engine, it will still cost you $700-$1000 to have a pump shop fix your pump and set it to stock settings.... plus as an added bonus, our wife will be bitching up a storm about, 1, you broke the car, and 2, all the mess and money you wasted!! This causes you to start to want to assign blame and start bitching that the elements were no good... The fact that you are bitching right now sets a strong precedent!!
If you want a 7mm element buy one from china, they are cheap. Then send them to a grind shop and have them mod the helix to deliver the fuel you want, (you will need to make a blue print to give them) and have them grind a retard notch ( where you want it) as well. Install them your self in the kitchen sink and let her rip!!!
We all get that you are not happy... Different countries have different views about distribution of stuff. You have expressed you opinion, and I think the majority of the core membership disagrees with you, and, you are driving a member away that the majority really appreciate and value, in this situation you are loosing nothing, but the majority is loosing a great resource and great member. I respectfully ask you to stop pushing you philosophies of sharing and business on the majority that has rejected it. This is not the proper section to do that in, there is a general discussion section that is for bitching about such philosophical views and opinions.
To Dieselmeken... I know we had a spirited debate of recent where I was indeed incorrect, and acknowledged as such. I also acknowledge that I was the "spirited" one lol... I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and do hope that you will think about truly leaving because of some nitwitches bitching that you will not take a great deal of time to divulge technical information that you have spent a great deal of time and money on to acquire, and do so for nothing, just because some one wants it and thinks because you have it, you should give it to him instead of him going though the same process you did to get that information. Thank you for what you have done and shared…. Even at a profit lol.
(07-15-2013, 05:48 AM)barrote da da da, u people
So - if this place is so bad and useless - why do still come back?
Don't expect people who invest SH!TLOADS of time, blood, sweat and money into developing something to give away all theyr knowledge for free just because you shout at them - that's - weird, to put it freindly. What do you expect!?!?
Go in the shed, do something instead of miming the keyboard warrior. ;-)
DiseaselWeasel
07-15-2013, 01:51 PM #28(07-15-2013, 05:48 AM)barrote da da da, u people
So - if this place is so bad and useless - why do still come back?
Don't expect people who invest SH!TLOADS of time, blood, sweat and money into developing something to give away all theyr knowledge for free just because you shout at them - that's - weird, to put it freindly. What do you expect!?!?
Go in the shed, do something instead of miming the keyboard warrior. ;-)
Goran I can only apologise and hope your not seriously contemplating doing something we will regret :-(
I also hope you will reply to the PM I am about to send with a serious enquiry.
I can't belive what I am reading here. Stop running your mouth off and go do it yourself if you think you can. Go buy Chinese elements or Bosch 7mm and get them recut since you know what your doing. No they aren't as good but since you have just alienated two people who were willing to give you an insight into their craft by being too tight to pay a craftsman for his trade you don't have any choice. Why don't you go crying to Bosch because they didn't make the pump you want in the first place?
Goran I can only apologise and hope your not seriously contemplating doing something we will regret :-(
I also hope you will reply to the PM I am about to send with a serious enquiry.
I know a thing or 2 about diesel engines, and I am fairly well equipped, but believe me... I wil be contacting dieselmenken to swap elements and do a complete overhaul of one of my pumps.
People who ask for elements to be sold separately for DIY installation are just the same type of people who sometimes call my help because their engine develloped a strange symptom. The world (and specially Portugal) is full of too much optimistic people that think that they can cut a shortcut on someone else who spent most of their lives doing developp ment work.
We have a saying over here that translates to something like this: NO MONEY... NO PLAY
If some posters do not have 1000 euros to upgrade their pumps... just shut up and suck it up...
I do not subscribe to the opinion of my fellow countryman barrote.
I know a thing or 2 about diesel engines, and I am fairly well equipped, but believe me... I wil be contacting dieselmenken to swap elements and do a complete overhaul of one of my pumps.
People who ask for elements to be sold separately for DIY installation are just the same type of people who sometimes call my help because their engine develloped a strange symptom. The world (and specially Portugal) is full of too much optimistic people that think that they can cut a shortcut on someone else who spent most of their lives doing developp ment work.
We have a saying over here that translates to something like this: NO MONEY... NO PLAY
If some posters do not have 1000 euros to upgrade their pumps... just shut up and suck it up...
Its always the same. I give a finger people try To take My hand. If idid a video. WHO wants To pay for it and how little would you think its worth.
Im not going To do it.
Pricerange of My pumps is set so i can make a few bucks on it. No one. I repeat no one have had anytjing To say about the price.
In the beginning i charged moore but i have reduced the price now. Also i put in the alda new deliveryvalves if needed and son on. Fixed price. Thanks alot everybody. Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
dieselmeken
07-15-2013, 02:29 PM #31You can all be cool. Im not leaving because of someone that not like the way i handle these things I had have a couple of beers when i read this topic for the first time and Maybee i overreacted?
Its always the same. I give a finger people try To take My hand. If idid a video. WHO wants To pay for it and how little would you think its worth.
Im not going To do it.
Pricerange of My pumps is set so i can make a few bucks on it. No one. I repeat no one have had anytjing To say about the price.
In the beginning i charged moore but i have reduced the price now. Also i put in the alda new deliveryvalves if needed and son on. Fixed price. Thanks alot everybody. Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
keep up the good work, you are a good example.you didn't invented the world and we didn't either!
All the best.
rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
nobody blamed you.the people did said that they don't afford the fully pumps, just the elements, of course lots of us didn't know how much money you invested in your equipment.congratulations.don't feel yourself attacked, cause nobody attacked you.the pure truth is that other people don't afford a custom pump, cause of the shit economy, were in some countries is "tight".
keep up the good work, you are a good example.you didn't invented the world and we didn't either!
All the best.
rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
(07-15-2013, 05:02 PM)sorin_cel nobody blamed you.the people did said that they don't afford the fully pumps, just the elements, of course lots of us didn't know how much money you invested in your equipment.congratulations.don't feel yourself attacked, cause nobody attacked you.the pure truth is that other people don't afford a custom pump, cause of the shit economy, were in some countries is "tight".
keep up the good work, you are a good example.you didn't invented the world and we didn't either!
All the best.
rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
x2 gotta pay to play
aaand Goran's pumps are well priced
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617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-15-2013, 09:25 PM #33(07-15-2013, 05:02 PM)sorin_cel nobody blamed you.the people did said that they don't afford the fully pumps, just the elements, of course lots of us didn't know how much money you invested in your equipment.congratulations.don't feel yourself attacked, cause nobody attacked you.the pure truth is that other people don't afford a custom pump, cause of the shit economy, were in some countries is "tight".
keep up the good work, you are a good example.you didn't invented the world and we didn't either!
All the best.
rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
x2 gotta pay to play
aaand Goran's pumps are well priced
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(07-15-2013, 02:29 PM)dieselmeken ....Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
Are you in California right now? If so, go visit the wineries in Paso Robles for some great wine.
And maybe, while you are in the area and have some time, forge some relationships with the Diesel injection shops somewhat near there in Bakersfield and Santa Maria.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
DeliveryValve
07-15-2013, 10:12 PM #34(07-15-2013, 02:29 PM)dieselmeken ....Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
Are you in California right now? If so, go visit the wineries in Paso Robles for some great wine.
And maybe, while you are in the area and have some time, forge some relationships with the Diesel injection shops somewhat near there in Bakersfield and Santa Maria.
.
Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
.
(07-15-2013, 10:12 PM)DeliveryValveYes, Tonight im in Morrow bay, tomorrow I go to LA. Im on a bus trip, and I dont think the other 32 in the bus appreciate that. I have sent a mail to one that was recomended to me here on STD in San Jose, but as always, no answer. The shops are really scared to go outside the box in these case.(07-15-2013, 02:29 PM)dieselmeken ....Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
Are you in California right now? If so, go visit the wineries in Paso Robles for some great wine.
And maybe, while you are in the area and have some time, forge some relationships with the Diesel injection shops somewhat near there in Bakersfield and Santa Maria.
.
As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
dieselmeken
07-15-2013, 10:48 PM #35(07-15-2013, 10:12 PM)DeliveryValveYes, Tonight im in Morrow bay, tomorrow I go to LA. Im on a bus trip, and I dont think the other 32 in the bus appreciate that. I have sent a mail to one that was recomended to me here on STD in San Jose, but as always, no answer. The shops are really scared to go outside the box in these case.(07-15-2013, 02:29 PM)dieselmeken ....Now i is on My way up To hearst castle
Are you in California right now? If so, go visit the wineries in Paso Robles for some great wine.
And maybe, while you are in the area and have some time, forge some relationships with the Diesel injection shops somewhat near there in Bakersfield and Santa Maria.
.
As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
Ed
yankneck696
07-16-2013, 07:24 AM #36Goran, if you come to Utah, we have Zion & Bryce right near us. I live in Kanab. Most of the old westerns were filmed here from the Lone Ranger to Gunsmoke. It's Beautiful. We have a spare room, too.
Ed
HaavardPYA
07-16-2013, 07:30 AM #37Im glad Gøran is in this branch. So when i need a superpump i can just send it to him and get a great superpump back. Cheap in my opion and working like a damn nuclear powerplant!:-)
Quote:rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
Although I did not understand anything that you wrote, I presume that you need to relax and stop using "poor economy" as an excuse.
Besides that, the presence of the word "sweared" is completely out of hand here.
If people cannot afford something, please don't do it on the cheap and then start publicising that the parts that they receive are to blame. Saw that many many times before.
Best regards,
Quote:rallyus that care what you talking about, and don't swear people if they didn't sweared you. also you can became one of them as well.don't ever forget that!
Although I did not understand anything that you wrote, I presume that you need to relax and stop using "poor economy" as an excuse.
Besides that, the presence of the word "sweared" is completely out of hand here.
If people cannot afford something, please don't do it on the cheap and then start publicising that the parts that they receive are to blame. Saw that many many times before.
Best regards,
(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
(07-16-2013, 04:30 PM)OM616(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
Shipping for me was less then 300 both ways, including my boo boo of the declared value. Which drove up the tax.
Duncansport
07-16-2013, 08:12 PM #40(07-16-2013, 04:30 PM)OM616(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
Shipping for me was less then 300 both ways, including my boo boo of the declared value. Which drove up the tax.
Ed
yankneck696
07-17-2013, 06:08 AM #41$300? That's diddlysquat... I thought it'd be more than that, but still well worth it.
Ed
(07-16-2013, 08:12 PM)Duncansport(07-16-2013, 04:30 PM)OM616(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
Shipping for me was less then 300 both ways, including my boo boo of the declared value. Which drove up the tax.
What's up with the declared value? On it's way over there it's a hunk of metal, on the say back it's a hunk of metal. You paid for a service, not for a new pump.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
07-17-2013, 08:31 AM #42(07-16-2013, 08:12 PM)Duncansport(07-16-2013, 04:30 PM)OM616(07-15-2013, 10:48 PM)dieselmeken As I wrote earlyer, someone of you that can take this to USA? A testbench, used is not so many bucks, start up a small business back home.
This is a serious question, not a smart assed one... Is it really that big of a deal to ship to dieselmeken?? Is it the cost of the shipping? or the fact that the pump has to go through customs?
They can get lost, damaged, and what ever else in country, so I am really curious as to bases of the desire for a USA shop?
Shipping for me was less then 300 both ways, including my boo boo of the declared value. Which drove up the tax.
What's up with the declared value? On it's way over there it's a hunk of metal, on the say back it's a hunk of metal. You paid for a service, not for a new pump.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Even with if there was a US shop, they will not be coming out to your house to tune it or anything. At first I was thinking that there was some opportunity in the custom pump work, but quickly learned that it is a very limited market and sporadic. It looks appealing when I am slow with my regular work, but when I am busy, it does not even come close to being worth it.
Dieselmeken does a lot of them because that is what they have over there, over here I doubt one could earn a modest living from them.
Or am I still missing something?
Personally I do not see any advantage from an US source. The cost off everything it would take to stock a shop sufficient to build custom M pumps would be very high, and that cost would have to be passed along to the customer, offsetting any savings on shipping.
Even with if there was a US shop, they will not be coming out to your house to tune it or anything. At first I was thinking that there was some opportunity in the custom pump work, but quickly learned that it is a very limited market and sporadic. It looks appealing when I am slow with my regular work, but when I am busy, it does not even come close to being worth it.
Dieselmeken does a lot of them because that is what they have over there, over here I doubt one could earn a modest living from them.
Or am I still missing something?
The issue in the U.S. that would get on my nerves is the large amount of morons who bought an old Mercedes diesel for pennies who are ready and willing to attack you for any margin of profit you wish to maintain. I don't see how you could do it in this country without having to be a serious dick on a regular basis.
raysorenson
07-17-2013, 08:46 PM #44For Dieselmeken it makes less sense because he's an M pump tuner. If a shop did both M and MW the market would expand greatly.
The issue in the U.S. that would get on my nerves is the large amount of morons who bought an old Mercedes diesel for pennies who are ready and willing to attack you for any margin of profit you wish to maintain. I don't see how you could do it in this country without having to be a serious dick on a regular basis.
Personally, I want to use an OM617 or OM60X engine in a desert buggy/semi rock crawler with an HE351VE turbo.I will just pay Goran to source out a core pump for me on it. I have a line on a 88 300D with a bad trans for cheap. Coupled to a GM or Toyota drivetrain, superpump & VNT turbo, I could really break some stuff !!!!!
Ed
yankneck696
07-18-2013, 07:56 AM #45Raysorensen hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer !!!
Personally, I want to use an OM617 or OM60X engine in a desert buggy/semi rock crawler with an HE351VE turbo.I will just pay Goran to source out a core pump for me on it. I have a line on a 88 300D with a bad trans for cheap. Coupled to a GM or Toyota drivetrain, superpump & VNT turbo, I could really break some stuff !!!!!
Ed
(07-17-2013, 08:46 PM)raysorenson For Dieselmeken it makes less sense because he's an M pump tuner. If a shop did both M and MW the market would expand greatly.
The issue in the U.S. that would get on my nerves is the large amount of morons who bought an old Mercedes diesel for pennies who are ready and willing to attack you for any margin of profit you wish to maintain. I don't see how you could do it in this country without having to be a serious dick on a regular basis.
I have experienced this already just discussing the idea of building some super pumps... To his credit, one member apologized for his reaction to my calling 123 owners one of the cheapest groups of people on the planet... Apparently after dealing with them for a while, he experienced what I was talking about lol...
I am a pay to play kind of guy, and I do not see where a couple of hundred bucks for shipping is enough to make a difference for those who truly want a Super M pump... and why not have it built by someone who has done some R&D on them and a good track record to show for it.
(07-17-2013, 08:46 PM)raysorenson For Dieselmeken it makes less sense because he's an M pump tuner. If a shop did both M and MW the market would expand greatly.
The issue in the U.S. that would get on my nerves is the large amount of morons who bought an old Mercedes diesel for pennies who are ready and willing to attack you for any margin of profit you wish to maintain. I don't see how you could do it in this country without having to be a serious dick on a regular basis.
I have experienced this already just discussing the idea of building some super pumps... To his credit, one member apologized for his reaction to my calling 123 owners one of the cheapest groups of people on the planet... Apparently after dealing with them for a while, he experienced what I was talking about lol...
I am a pay to play kind of guy, and I do not see where a couple of hundred bucks for shipping is enough to make a difference for those who truly want a Super M pump... and why not have it built by someone who has done some R&D on them and a good track record to show for it.
Ed
yankneck696
07-18-2013, 07:36 PM #47123 owners are definitely the cheapest I have ever met in the auto salvage world. They never had matching tires, broke $300 worth of parts with a hammer to pull a $5 switch & we finally had to put them right beside the mechanic, so he could keep watch. 123s had the highest percentage of stolen parts. It was mind boggling.
Ed
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
No doubt, I fight tooth and nail with bloody knuckles, sweat and petroleum distillates in the eyes to try and save a few bucks. Loads of bailing wire and twine. Might well go on and get me a 4banger toyota or honda. God bless a turbo diesel. But I feel the pain of cheapskates spreading their ill will
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
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