Which turbo om606 Mercedes G dieselmeken 7,5mm 140cc
Which turbo om606 Mercedes G dieselmeken 7,5mm 140cc
08-06-2013, 06:36 PM
#52
Regarding the gasket - it's not it for sure.. have checked the coolant
If it comes to ignition timing, timing was slowed down, but not by turning the screw, because there was no screw!! sic! My mechanic told me that he couln't find the screw so he has done it (the settings) "due-to-his-magic-abilities-of-sight-and-hearing"
by how much did we slow it down - hard to say. He promissed to reassemble the screw back at it's place set the ignition properly.. maybe that is when I should try the Drip Method?Done so, I went for a test drive..
It was a test drive, so we didn't put the air intake pipe that connects the turbo and airbox + snorkel. In total it's 77mm in thinnest spot. Just to let the turbo to breath freely.
On the road.. second gear acceleration, pedal to the metal, engine reaches about 3K RPM, boost starts to appear waaay much qicker, but when it reaches 1,3Bar, boost drops down immediately and even reaches minus values. RPM drops down, I try it again and again - the same thing happens..
Got back to the workshop and disassembled the wastegate as a first suspect, but it seems pretty fine...
tried low idle screw - didn't work too..
Suprisingly, the temp didn't go up..
But than I thought, that maybe that got something to do with that connection pipe, reassembled.. boom! it got back to normal.. which means now 1,9 Bar Max pressure and overheating problem appears again.. Engine seems to get a bit more power.. - that might be connected to the timing adjustment.
Now that is one strange mystery
This post was last modified: 08-07-2013, 03:26 AM by Domino81.
I have spent the whole evening in the workshop..
Regarding the gasket - it's not it for sure.. have checked the coolant
If it comes to ignition timing, timing was slowed down, but not by turning the screw, because there was no screw!! sic! My mechanic told me that he couln't find the screw so he has done it (the settings) "due-to-his-magic-abilities-of-sight-and-hearing" by how much did we slow it down - hard to say. He promissed to reassemble the screw back at it's place set the ignition properly.. maybe that is when I should try the Drip Method?
Done so, I went for a test drive..
It was a test drive, so we didn't put the air intake pipe that connects the turbo and airbox + snorkel. In total it's 77mm in thinnest spot. Just to let the turbo to breath freely.
On the road.. second gear acceleration, pedal to the metal, engine reaches about 3K RPM, boost starts to appear waaay much qicker, but when it reaches 1,3Bar, boost drops down immediately and even reaches minus values. RPM drops down, I try it again and again - the same thing happens..
Got back to the workshop and disassembled the wastegate as a first suspect, but it seems pretty fine...
tried low idle screw - didn't work too..
Suprisingly, the temp didn't go up..
But than I thought, that maybe that got something to do with that connection pipe, reassembled.. boom! it got back to normal.. which means now 1,9 Bar Max pressure and overheating problem appears again.. Engine seems to get a bit more power.. - that might be connected to the timing adjustment.
Now that is one strange mystery
08-31-2013, 07:35 AM
#54
(08-30-2013, 04:08 PM)krashappy Has your mechanic come back yet?
Yes, he is back, I am going to work on the car in late september.
I bought different wastegate springs, a 14 inch additional fan, egt and oiltemp gauges, air filter to mount on top of turbo...
I'll get back with results..
10-02-2013, 01:18 PM
#55
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Perhaps one of the air inlet hoses feeding the turbo are collapsing under negative pressure, this is a common problem on soft inlet pipe work on turbo diesel Landrovers with snorkels.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
10-02-2013, 02:22 PM
#56
(10-02-2013, 01:18 PM)Hario Perhaps one of the air inlet hoses feeding the turbo are collapsing under negative pressure, this is a common problem on soft inlet pipe work on turbo diesel Landrovers with snorkels.
been there done that. there is no way - checked that already.
What I did already:
- Put the adjustment screw back on a pump
- removed the pipe that connects snorkel with turbo leaving it with no airfilter
- tried drip method - did not work, it only works on older pumps.
- Installed extra 14 inch front fan on switch
- Installed EGT gauge
- Installed oil temp gauge
- Reinstalled boost controller which was not connected correctly.
- Had to polish the head and replace head gasket as there was oil in the coolant reservoir.
- head was revised, all the hoses cleaned, radiator checked with pressure
- the pump likeage was messy and we found additional 1cm travel
..and.. it reached 2 bar easily, didnt wanto to push until engine oil heated enough to begin measurement... but the first seroius acceleration killed the third gear... before that I had a feeling that the car is way much faster
.. from what I've manage to see, egt reaches 790-800 cellsius under pressure. Surely we will have to play with external ALDA settings as I think they are lean...
(10-02-2013, 01:18 PM)Hario Perhaps one of the air inlet hoses feeding the turbo are collapsing under negative pressure, this is a common problem on soft inlet pipe work on turbo diesel Landrovers with snorkels.
been there done that. there is no way - checked that already.
What I did already:
- Put the adjustment screw back on a pump
- removed the pipe that connects snorkel with turbo leaving it with no airfilter
- tried drip method - did not work, it only works on older pumps.
- Installed extra 14 inch front fan on switch
- Installed EGT gauge
- Installed oil temp gauge
- Reinstalled boost controller which was not connected correctly.
- Had to polish the head and replace head gasket as there was oil in the coolant reservoir.
- head was revised, all the hoses cleaned, radiator checked with pressure
- the pump likeage was messy and we found additional 1cm travel
..and.. it reached 2 bar easily, didnt wanto to push until engine oil heated enough to begin measurement... but the first seroius acceleration killed the third gear... before that I had a feeling that the car is way much faster
.. from what I've manage to see, egt reaches 790-800 cellsius under pressure. Surely we will have to play with external ALDA settings as I think they are lean...
10-03-2013, 05:37 AM
#57
EDH_Performance
10-03-2013, 05:37 AM #57regards the heat problem, is all the water in/outlets connected? Specially the small overflow tube that goes to the expansion chamber?
10-05-2013, 03:54 AM
#59
(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo(10-02-2013, 02:22 PM)Domino81 egt reaches 790-800 cellsius
Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
Boost on!
EDH_Performance
10-05-2013, 03:54 AM #59(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo(10-02-2013, 02:22 PM)Domino81 egt reaches 790-800 cellsius
Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
Boost on!
10-05-2013, 11:23 AM
#60
Sorry could not help my self (10-05-2013, 03:54 AM)EDH_Performance(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo(10-02-2013, 02:22 PM)Domino81 egt reaches 790-800 cellsius
Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
High EGT does not come from unburned fuel it is normally a sign witch going to show EGT or combustion is bad, normally because there is not enough air for sufficient combustion, in that case the heat per kg of gas is very high witch going to show high egt temperature, the same when the air factor is low , but I guess that was you ment Sorry could not help my self
(10-05-2013, 03:54 AM)EDH_Performance(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo(10-02-2013, 02:22 PM)Domino81 egt reaches 790-800 cellsius
Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
10-06-2013, 05:38 AM
#61
(10-05-2013, 11:23 AM)Turbo High EGT does not come from unburned fuel it is normally a sign witch going to show EGT or combustion is bad, normally because there is not enough air for sufficient combustion, in that case the heat per kg of gas is very high witch going to show high egt temperature, the same when the air factor is low , but I guess that was you ment
(10-05-2013, 03:54 AM)EDH_Performance(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
Yes that was what i meant
EDH_Performance
10-06-2013, 05:38 AM #61(10-05-2013, 11:23 AM)Turbo High EGT does not come from unburned fuel it is normally a sign witch going to show EGT or combustion is bad, normally because there is not enough air for sufficient combustion, in that case the heat per kg of gas is very high witch going to show high egt temperature, the same when the air factor is low , but I guess that was you ment
(10-05-2013, 03:54 AM)EDH_Performance(10-03-2013, 11:20 PM)Jambo Isn't that dangerously high already?
I was under the impression one should keep those temps below 720 and the lower the better.
High egt comes from unburnt fuel not lean mixture! So black smoke are no good
Yes that was what i meant
10-09-2013, 04:49 PM
#62
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
Unfortunately turbo blows max 2,1-2,2 Bar, but there is still heat. EGT dropped to around 750-790 celsius degrees. That happens only in the connection pipe between snorkel and turbo is NOT assebled and turbo breathes with no airfilter. Otherwise turbo blows max 1,75 bar. I will probably build another snorkel on the other side with another airbox and connect them somewhere before turbo..
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
10-10-2013, 04:17 AM
#63
(10-09-2013, 04:49 PM)Domino81 Unfortunately turbo blows max 2,1-2,2 Bar, but there is still heat. EGT dropped to around 750-790 celsius degrees. That happens only in the connection pipe between snorkel and turbo is NOT assebled and turbo breathes with no airfilter. Otherwise turbo blows max 1,75 bar. I will probably build another snorkel on the other side with another airbox and connect them somewhere before turbo..
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
3 bars on the hx40 is max on 606, gives around 480hp!
If the muffler is a straight trough type it is ok, but if its a chambermuffler it is not okay
EDH_Performance
10-10-2013, 04:17 AM #63(10-09-2013, 04:49 PM)Domino81 Unfortunately turbo blows max 2,1-2,2 Bar, but there is still heat. EGT dropped to around 750-790 celsius degrees. That happens only in the connection pipe between snorkel and turbo is NOT assebled and turbo breathes with no airfilter. Otherwise turbo blows max 1,75 bar. I will probably build another snorkel on the other side with another airbox and connect them somewhere before turbo..
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
3 bars on the hx40 is max on 606, gives around 480hp!
If the muffler is a straight trough type it is ok, but if its a chambermuffler it is not okay
10-10-2013, 10:24 AM
#64
(10-10-2013, 04:17 AM)EDH_Performance(10-09-2013, 04:49 PM)Domino81 Unfortunately turbo blows max 2,1-2,2 Bar, but there is still heat. EGT dropped to around 750-790 celsius degrees. That happens only in the connection pipe between snorkel and turbo is NOT assebled and turbo breathes with no airfilter. Otherwise turbo blows max 1,75 bar. I will probably build another snorkel on the other side with another airbox and connect them somewhere before turbo..
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
3 bars on the hx40 is max on 606, gives around 480hp!
If the muffler is a straight trough type it is ok, but if its a chambermuffler it is not okay
I'll try with stronger spring for wastegate as well and will remove the muffler to see if that might be the case..
(10-10-2013, 04:17 AM)EDH_Performance(10-09-2013, 04:49 PM)Domino81 Unfortunately turbo blows max 2,1-2,2 Bar, but there is still heat. EGT dropped to around 750-790 celsius degrees. That happens only in the connection pipe between snorkel and turbo is NOT assebled and turbo breathes with no airfilter. Otherwise turbo blows max 1,75 bar. I will probably build another snorkel on the other side with another airbox and connect them somewhere before turbo..
What do you think should be safe boost limit?
What kind of boost should I have to be able to secure good combustion?
What is normal max boost that HX40 can give on an om606?
Can it be turbine itself fault?
Can it be also that the exhaust is too narrow? I have 3 inch downpipe + one muffler.
External alda low fuel is set lean to add on top.. as well as high fuel..
3 bars on the hx40 is max on 606, gives around 480hp!
If the muffler is a straight trough type it is ok, but if its a chambermuffler it is not okay
I'll try with stronger spring for wastegate as well and will remove the muffler to see if that might be the case..
10-14-2013, 07:13 AM
#67
I still do not understand where does the high EGT come from... it can either come from combustion or the backpressure in the exhaust manifold?
I think that 1,7-1,8 bar should be enough for my needs, assuming that the unneccessary exhaust gasses exit via wastegate, I get rid of the smoke setting pump lean, everything should be fine.. but it's not unfortunately. It's about 10 degrees outside right now in PL, It's ok for now, nevertheless I cannot imagine smoking the tires like you all do without overheating engine. Maybe all this G 4X4 constant drive + 33 inch mud terrain tires causes engine to work really hard, it's probably also the aerodynamics of the "wall" that engine has to overcome..
What I have found out is that I need some more air in the intake, that is why I need 2 similar snorkels on each side of the car with simillar diamiter around 77mm.
I still do not understand where does the high EGT come from... it can either come from combustion or the backpressure in the exhaust manifold?
I think that 1,7-1,8 bar should be enough for my needs, assuming that the unneccessary exhaust gasses exit via wastegate, I get rid of the smoke setting pump lean, everything should be fine.. but it's not unfortunately. It's about 10 degrees outside right now in PL, It's ok for now, nevertheless I cannot imagine smoking the tires like you all do without overheating engine. Maybe all this G 4X4 constant drive + 33 inch mud terrain tires causes engine to work really hard, it's probably also the aerodynamics of the "wall" that engine has to overcome..
12-15-2013, 04:25 PM
#72
(12-15-2013, 10:22 AM)offroaddieselhu *<:-) ? What's up?
offroaddieselhu
pump retiming helped. even bigger radiator was mounted, all copper, now cooling water only, Oil radiator is oryginaly with fan on it switched manually from cockpit.
double snorkel with 2 airboxes was mounted. Helped alot with the temps.
exhaust manifold was badly designed. gases from 3 cylinders went thru narrow throat causing lots of backpressure and wastegate leaks as it was mounted prior the narrow point and the reference pressure was inadequate..
Now new manifold is beeing designed with equal lenght of pipes.. will see soon about the results..
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(12-15-2013, 10:22 AM)offroaddieselhu *<:-) ? What's up?
offroaddieselhu
pump retiming helped. even bigger radiator was mounted, all copper, now cooling water only, Oil radiator is oryginaly with fan on it switched manually from cockpit.
double snorkel with 2 airboxes was mounted. Helped alot with the temps.
exhaust manifold was badly designed. gases from 3 cylinders went thru narrow throat causing lots of backpressure and wastegate leaks as it was mounted prior the narrow point and the reference pressure was inadequate..
Now new manifold is beeing designed with equal lenght of pipes.. will see soon about the results..
12-15-2013, 04:28 PM
#73
(12-15-2013, 04:25 PM)Domino81(12-15-2013, 10:22 AM)offroaddieselhu *<:-) ? What's up?
offroaddieselhu
pump retiming helped. even bigger radiator was mounted, all copper, now cooling water only, Oil radiator is oryginaly with fan on it switched manually from cockpit.
double snorkel with 2 airboxes was mounted. Helped alot with the temps.
exhaust manifold was badly designed. gases from 3 cylinders went thru narrow throat causing lots of backpressure and wastegate leaks as it was mounted prior the narrow point and the reference pressure was inadequate..
Now new manifold is beeing designed with equal lenght of pipes.. will see soon about the results..
offroaddiesehu
offroaddieselhu
12-15-2013, 04:28 PM #73(12-15-2013, 04:25 PM)Domino81(12-15-2013, 10:22 AM)offroaddieselhu *<:-) ? What's up?
offroaddieselhu
pump retiming helped. even bigger radiator was mounted, all copper, now cooling water only, Oil radiator is oryginaly with fan on it switched manually from cockpit.
double snorkel with 2 airboxes was mounted. Helped alot with the temps.
exhaust manifold was badly designed. gases from 3 cylinders went thru narrow throat causing lots of backpressure and wastegate leaks as it was mounted prior the narrow point and the reference pressure was inadequate..
Now new manifold is beeing designed with equal lenght of pipes.. will see soon about the results..
offroaddiesehu
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02-01-2014, 02:35 PM
#76
Also EGT went down. I have maxed out the hi fuel in the pump as well, so it should give the whole 140ccm dieselmeken provided. No smoke behind thow. Here are the pics how it has been welded, I think the guy did a good job taking limited G space under the hood.
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I do not however if Alda works properly and if I got the max i could have gotten. Take a look at third gear, it looks like It's missing fuel in higher RPMs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bjADu03tQ
Ok, so the manifold is done. I have pushed 100% boost to top port of wastegate to max it out. ot goes for 2,5 bar now Also EGT went down. I have maxed out the hi fuel in the pump as well, so it should give the whole 140ccm dieselmeken provided. No smoke behind thow.
Here are the pics how it has been welded, I think the guy did a good job taking limited G space under the hood.
I do not however if Alda works properly and if I got the max i could have gotten. Take a look at third gear, it looks like It's missing fuel in higher RPMs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bjADu03tQ
05-05-2014, 09:25 AM
#77
HX40 died, due to some piece of metal that got into exhaust manifold, I bought used HX40Super with some 10tkm on it, seems to stand-up earlier than the old one.
Pump went back on the table and my mechanics managed to squeeze 160ccm out of it with manageable idle.
Pump linkage was redesigned so that now it can provide all 80mm pump lever travel
exchanged boost controller, that allowed to limit turbo a bit to the level of 2,3bar boost..
This setup lets me to aroud 400ish HP, at least from my feeling, because the car hasn't been dynoed yet.
take a look at the acceleration...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5laQj4I74i4
My essential problem that came back is high EGT...
It reaches even 850-900 cellsius degrees which is clearly too high..
Boost is 2,3 bar and the pump is maxed out on external ALDA.
Cooling setup:
- Chineese fat intercooler that can be seen on pics earlier in the post
- behind intercooler there is a big custom radiator made of copper - larger than the OEM one, cooled by wisco standard fan
- standard oil radiator with additional fan on it switched on and off manually from the cabin by the switch.
Before i do more mods, can you pls take a look at a short video describing situation? maybe you have any more ideas than I do?
I think 100 cellsius degrees in the water and oil can be a head killer..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdtBZTBsYs
Nevertheless this car is now fun to ride!!
I was able to "do" an Audi TT from a rolling start with enduro bike on a trailer behind me
Hi Guys, after some break here is an update of what is going on with the car..
HX40 died, due to some piece of metal that got into exhaust manifold, I bought used HX40Super with some 10tkm on it, seems to stand-up earlier than the old one.
Pump went back on the table and my mechanics managed to squeeze 160ccm out of it with manageable idle.
Pump linkage was redesigned so that now it can provide all 80mm pump lever travel
exchanged boost controller, that allowed to limit turbo a bit to the level of 2,3bar boost..
This setup lets me to aroud 400ish HP, at least from my feeling, because the car hasn't been dynoed yet.
take a look at the acceleration...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5laQj4I74i4
My essential problem that came back is high EGT...
It reaches even 850-900 cellsius degrees which is clearly too high..
Boost is 2,3 bar and the pump is maxed out on external ALDA.
Cooling setup:
- Chineese fat intercooler that can be seen on pics earlier in the post
- behind intercooler there is a big custom radiator made of copper - larger than the OEM one, cooled by wisco standard fan
- standard oil radiator with additional fan on it switched on and off manually from the cabin by the switch.
Before i do more mods, can you pls take a look at a short video describing situation? maybe you have any more ideas than I do?
I think 100 cellsius degrees in the water and oil can be a head killer..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXdtBZTBsYs
Nevertheless this car is now fun to ride!!
I was able to "do" an Audi TT from a rolling start with enduro bike on a trailer behind me
05-05-2014, 09:53 AM
#78
Are you sure your pump timing is ok? On the other video it looks like it almost stalls when coming back to idle. No leaking/bend delivery valves or something? I would definably say this is a pump problem. Seen the high egt/oil/coolant temp. My engines doesn't come above 90 degrees after some full throttle.
Wow. Yeah thats way to hot. When I'm cruising at highway speeds (140km/h) my egt is lower than 250 degrees Celsius. And I have a smaller and more restrictive turbo manifold setup.
Are you sure your pump timing is ok? On the other video it looks like it almost stalls when coming back to idle. No leaking/bend delivery valves or something? I would definably say this is a pump problem. Seen the high egt/oil/coolant temp. My engines doesn't come above 90 degrees after some full throttle.
05-05-2014, 10:12 AM
#79
(05-05-2014, 09:53 AM)Tito Wow. Yeah thats way to hot. When I'm cruising at highway speeds (140km/h) my egt is lower than 250 degrees Celsius. And I have a smaller and more restrictive turbo manifold setup.
Are you sure your pump timing is ok? On the other video it looks like it almost stalls when coming back to idle. No leaking/bend delivery valves or something? I would definably say this is a pump problem. Seen the high egt/oil/coolant temp. My engines doesn't come above 90 degrees after some full throttle.
Well, the timing on the engine was changed several times, and we have tried different angles based on how it idles...
The pump timing itself wasn't changed... it worries me big time.
On top of that, please remember that the engine have to deal with constant 4x4 and aerodynamics of a house.
(05-05-2014, 09:53 AM)Tito Wow. Yeah thats way to hot. When I'm cruising at highway speeds (140km/h) my egt is lower than 250 degrees Celsius. And I have a smaller and more restrictive turbo manifold setup.
Are you sure your pump timing is ok? On the other video it looks like it almost stalls when coming back to idle. No leaking/bend delivery valves or something? I would definably say this is a pump problem. Seen the high egt/oil/coolant temp. My engines doesn't come above 90 degrees after some full throttle.
Well, the timing on the engine was changed several times, and we have tried different angles based on how it idles...
The pump timing itself wasn't changed... it worries me big time.
On top of that, please remember that the engine have to deal with constant 4x4 and aerodynamics of a house.
05-05-2014, 10:48 AM
#80
With that much fuel, do you think 2.3bar is enough?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
900C is pretty hot, but not insanely hot for short periods of time of wide open throttle. It definitely isn't good for the engine.
With that much fuel, do you think 2.3bar is enough?
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
05-05-2014, 02:44 PM
#82
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
What is injection timing set to?
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
05-06-2014, 12:42 AM
#84
dieselmeken
05-06-2014, 12:42 AM #84A G-wagen did an Audi TT from a rolling start with enduro bike on a trailer behind ? Think its time to reduce the fuel a bit, from what I did see the watertemperature was quite high after that acceleration. Remember that you have around 2-2,5times Moore Power than a stock Engine, take it easy with that Power.
05-06-2014, 02:54 AM
#85
(05-06-2014, 12:42 AM)dieselmeken A G-wagen did an Audi TT from a rolling start with enduro bike on a trailer behind ? Think its time to reduce the fuel a bit, from what I did see the watertemperature was quite high after that acceleration. Remember that you have around 2-2,5times Moore Power than a stock Engine, take it easy with that Power.
Timing is standard 15 degrees.
From a logic point of view, 220 cc would blow up the engine.. if 160cc boils it.
The thing is that pump activates ALDA from 1,5 bar up, 550 cellsius degrees EGT with no pressure and lean low fuel is normal on the highway?
Yes, I will limit the fuel for the timebeeing, but I will have to find some solution locally, if not, the only thing I can do is to send the pump back to you for readjustment in timing, I want to have 350-400hp for daily driving. I think things might get worse during the summer when the air temps get to around 30 cellsius.
(05-06-2014, 12:42 AM)dieselmeken A G-wagen did an Audi TT from a rolling start with enduro bike on a trailer behind ? Think its time to reduce the fuel a bit, from what I did see the watertemperature was quite high after that acceleration. Remember that you have around 2-2,5times Moore Power than a stock Engine, take it easy with that Power.
Timing is standard 15 degrees.
From a logic point of view, 220 cc would blow up the engine.. if 160cc boils it.
The thing is that pump activates ALDA from 1,5 bar up, 550 cellsius degrees EGT with no pressure and lean low fuel is normal on the highway?
Yes, I will limit the fuel for the timebeeing, but I will have to find some solution locally, if not, the only thing I can do is to send the pump back to you for readjustment in timing, I want to have 350-400hp for daily driving. I think things might get worse during the summer when the air temps get to around 30 cellsius.
05-06-2014, 06:06 AM
#86
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
offroaddieselhu
05-06-2014, 06:06 AM #86Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
05-06-2014, 07:47 AM
#87
(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
05-06-2014, 08:02 AM
#88
(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
offroaddieselhu
05-06-2014, 08:02 AM #88(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
05-07-2014, 05:01 AM
#89
(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 06:06 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
I tink according to the video (I'v watched) it could be only 260280 HP max.
10 sec 0-100 km/h is not 400 Hp.
400 Hp is 6... sec
On this power (0-100 km/h for 10 sec) must not bee any warming (increase of engine warm), and any boost.
(like an stopnig and don't working engine petrolcar)
And don't need such turbine pressure for this power!
Offroaddieselhu
Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
05-07-2014, 05:46 AM
#90
(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81 Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
dieselmeken
05-07-2014, 05:46 AM #90(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu(05-06-2014, 07:47 AM)Domino81 Hey Mate, I do not want to destroy the tranny like that, It's not a drag car, it will never be fast 0-100 km/h. See that I am pushing on second, third and fourth gear. 80-140 should tell you more than just measuring 0-100. Besides that, It's a tranny from CLK AMG with a short reductor comming from W461, so the gears are relatively short.
I will surely go for dyno, to measure the results properly.
Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
05-07-2014, 05:52 AM
#91
(05-07-2014, 05:46 AM)dieselmeken(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
No, on the crank, on wheels it was 180hp less, as there are losses on the driveshaft and 33 inch Mud Terrain tyres. I do not know exact algorythm that measures losses by the dyno software.
(05-07-2014, 05:46 AM)dieselmeken(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
No, on the crank, on wheels it was 180hp less, as there are losses on the driveshaft and 33 inch Mud Terrain tyres. I do not know exact algorythm that measures losses by the dyno software.
05-07-2014, 03:23 PM
#92
(05-07-2014, 05:46 AM)dieselmeken(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
Beschleunigung 0–100 km/h (s) (6,1) G500 388 HP
Offroaddieselhu
offroaddieselhu
05-07-2014, 03:23 PM #92(05-07-2014, 05:46 AM)dieselmeken(05-07-2014, 05:01 AM)Domino81(05-06-2014, 08:02 AM)offroaddieselhu Hi,
0-100 km/h it's tells evrything. If this weight car accelerate 10 sec than it must pull a very heavy trailer
Offroaddieselhu
Aj aj aj, you must be mistaken!!
In general I suggest to use "IMHO" when you put statements.
Here is how the dyno went..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE18YVrxfbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaZaP8VstU4
Awsome!! Is it WHP?
Beschleunigung 0–100 km/h (s) (6,1) G500 388 HP
Offroaddieselhu
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