My 87 300D Build Plus...
My 87 300D Build Plus...
One set of IP lines on the way, going to pick up a second full set also, also ordered all the needed plastic clips etc for the body molding so should have all that together soon. Depending on temp in the morning I'm going to run out and finish up the shifter swap before I head to work @ 11am
Waiting on the timing of the IP until I get the new lines since I have to take them off anyways and might as well knock it all out at once.
Next job will be swapping over the 94's breaks. The car came with new pads all around still in the box. Still on fence about the front springs, I don't have a spring compressor So I would have to locate or buy one which is a pain. Might be worth it though since I would like to take a coil and a half out of my 85's front springs later.
It will be nice to get it running right so I can start focusing on the upgrades I would like to do. I think the first step should be the IP.
(11-19-2013, 02:20 PM)NGARover One set of IP lines on the way, going to pick up a second full set also, also ordered all the needed plastic clips etc for the body molding so should have all that together soon. Depending on temp in the morning I'm going to run out and finish up the shifter swap before I head to work @ 11amRent the right tool from someone on the forums or have a shop pull them. I don't touch springs unless I have to they scare the crap out of my.
Waiting on the timing of the IP until I get the new lines since I have to take them off anyways and might as well knock it all out at once.
Next job will be swapping over the 94's breaks. The car came with new pads all around still in the box. Still on fence about the front springs, I don't have a spring compressor So I would have to locate or buy one which is a pain. Might be worth it though since I would like to take a coil and a half out of my 85's front springs later.
It will be nice to get it running right so I can start focusing on the upgrades I would like to do. I think the first step should be the IP.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(11-19-2013, 02:20 PM)NGARover One set of IP lines on the way, going to pick up a second full set also, also ordered all the needed plastic clips etc for the body molding so should have all that together soon. Depending on temp in the morning I'm going to run out and finish up the shifter swap before I head to work @ 11amRent the right tool from someone on the forums or have a shop pull them. I don't touch springs unless I have to they scare the crap out of my.
Waiting on the timing of the IP until I get the new lines since I have to take them off anyways and might as well knock it all out at once.
Next job will be swapping over the 94's breaks. The car came with new pads all around still in the box. Still on fence about the front springs, I don't have a spring compressor So I would have to locate or buy one which is a pain. Might be worth it though since I would like to take a coil and a half out of my 85's front springs later.
It will be nice to get it running right so I can start focusing on the upgrades I would like to do. I think the first step should be the IP.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(11-19-2013, 02:30 PM)Simpler=Better Rent the right tool from someone on the forums or have a shop pull them. I don't touch springs unless I have to they scare the crap out of my.
Even with the tool my brother and I were scared shitless. Worth it though.
Replacing my IP lines right now. While doing this, I figured I should route the wire loom correctly... Man I hate when I follow other work. Anyways... I was disconnecting the loom and got to the top of the IP, the one that connects to the left of where the ALDA is (Should be) and I noticed that it loose! not the wire, what the wire connects to... here is video of what I'm talking about.
What is it? Obviously I need to tighten it back down. Plus, I have a sample of ALDAS, whats the best way to test them to make sure they are good and can I use an ALDA form a om617 engine (are they the same?)
Thanks again for the helps.
Ok, cold, but worked all day on the car.
Got the new IP lines installed. Still need a few brackets and some plastic clips but it looks 100% better.
Wimutt informed me that the loose part is the Rack sensor, and that I can delete it.
replaced the "flex joint" in the manifold that was crappy... It of course required the taking out of the turbo, which allows me to also address the issue I think I have with the waste gate. if you look at the pictures you will see what I mean. The rod that controls it is up against metal, I don't see how this would work, or if it's put together wrong or?
On the inside, all I did today was swap the shifter to the 94's since it's a little higher than the 87's. Good thing to know for anyone else wanting to do a swap like this.
Also mounted the lower ground effects. Looking better all the time.
Not sure if you removed it or if it was missing but there's no heat shield between the exhaust manifold and your cyl head. Not sure how important it really is but Mercedes put it there for a reason I suppose.
Didn't look back through the pics to see if it was there at one time, but judging by the ghetto IP lines that were on your car I wonder if the PO had some work done and whoever did the work took that heat shield off.
Most head gasket kits don't include the valve cover gasket. The one I got from the dealer didn't come with it, and all the ones I saw online don't include it? Only exception is a combo I saw on ebay but it was the seller that was packaging them together.
Which reminds me... I still need to order one...
(11-25-2013, 02:42 PM)capflya Most head gasket kits don't include the valve cover gasket. The one I got from the dealer didn't come with it, and all the ones I saw online don't include it? Only exception is a combo I saw on ebay but it was the seller that was packaging them together.
Which reminds me... I still need to order one...
(11-25-2013, 02:42 PM)capflya Most head gasket kits don't include the valve cover gasket. The one I got from the dealer didn't come with it, and all the ones I saw online don't include it? Only exception is a combo I saw on ebay but it was the seller that was packaging them together.
Which reminds me... I still need to order one...
Ok, engine sounds 100% better now.
But, zero boost. Checked the turbo again, it spins free, there is no play, I must be missing something.
I have 2 ALDAs sitting here, tested them both and both seem to be leaking. one worse than the other, so I my try to put it on and see if I can cut down on the idle smoke.
Also there is a pump on the drivers side rear (under the seat) I be leave it's the pump for the head rests etc. it's making a lot of noise. I'm going to looking into swapping in the one from the 94, it's different but should work.
Here is a longer video...
Also, I got the remaining plastic tabs etc for the trim, so I should have all that finished tomorrow.
(11-29-2013, 08:36 PM)NGARover Got to take the car for a drive today. Way under powered. The most boost I saw was 4 at about 4k rpms.. sad...
Double check the vacuum lines... my friend got a 190D 2.5Turbo that "must need a new engine because it's so slow". Figured out the vacuum spaghetti on it and then it was actually making boost.
Another angle if you haven't already is gutting the cat (DOC for diesel but at any rate). Mine was clogged so bad the backpressure in the exhaust kept blowing the EGR delete cap off of the exhaust manifold. Gutted that and I got tons of power. Possible if your car was running poorly before it could have blown lots of soot and clogged up the exhaust .
Ok, was able to get a lot done over the last few days.
Was having continued issues with no boost, smoking...
-Change fuel filter, no help.
-Found large vacuum pressure in tank, fixed tank vent.
-found nicked hard line, fixed with compression fitting.
-replace all the rubber fuel line. replaced all the clamps.
and finally removed the cat.
Car is back up to factory speed specs almost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6bXSoXGq...e=youtu.be
Here is what the cat looked like inside... almost fully plugged.
well... crap. looks like my engine is toast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX28fQ9WIjo
That's no good... I guess you have an excuse for a 606a now
JustPassinThrough has one up for 2k in the for sale section. Shipping might be pricey though.
(12-14-2013, 11:22 AM)capflya JustPassinThrough has one up for 2k in the for sale section. Shipping might be pricey though.
(12-14-2013, 11:22 AM)capflya JustPassinThrough has one up for 2k in the for sale section. Shipping might be pricey though.
Advice you didn't ask for: Get a 602. They're available in these parts, it's easy to make power with one, they have the good injector nozzles, angled prechambers, an exhaust manifold that's not a total turd like the 603's, no known problems with head castings, they leave more room up front for intercooler options if you move the condenser/radiator package back and they lose weight in a place where the W124 needs it the most.
(12-15-2013, 07:10 PM)raysorenson Advice you didn't ask for: Get a 602. They're available in these parts, it's easy to make power with one, they have the good injector nozzles, angled prechambers, an exhaust manifold that's not a total turd like the 603's, no known problems with head castings, they leave more room up front for intercooler options if you move the condenser/radiator package back and they lose weight in a place where the W124 needs it the most.
(12-15-2013, 07:10 PM)raysorenson Advice you didn't ask for: Get a 602. They're available in these parts, it's easy to make power with one, they have the good injector nozzles, angled prechambers, an exhaust manifold that's not a total turd like the 603's, no known problems with head castings, they leave more room up front for intercooler options if you move the condenser/radiator package back and they lose weight in a place where the W124 needs it the most.
There's a 603 sitting in an '87 300d at the Bham pull a part. I grabbed the crank pulley and it turned.
After looking into it more seeing another engine posted today with almost the exact same damage (resulting in the parts falling down into the piston and horking up the block) It looks like my best money and time will be spend putting in a new engine. Found one about 5 hours away so going to pick it up.
Oh well. I'll pull the head on this one later after I get the new engine installed and the car driving again and see the full extent of damage. If I'm lucky maybe the bock is savable, but going by the other one I saw I'm now holding much hope. The new engine is complete with IP and intake, so I'll get a few extra parts out of the deal. The extra intake for converting for inter-cooler... and an extra IP to send away...
If the valve didn't fall in to the cylinder it may just need a new lifter bucket?
from the picture it looks look's the valve and spring are still there in good shape just replace the bucket and check the cam lobe for damage
That kind of damage, if timing chain is not broken, indicates piston striking valve in open position.
Most likely valve was bend or prevented from closing by foreign object preventing valve to be seated in the pocket.
Easy way to check it. See if you can open the valve take a stick or punch and hit the top of the valve steam with a hammer. if it bounce's it ok. if it did not move at all it probably shot. But remember the valve springs have a good amount of force. It should move a little bit. Second TEST pull a glow plug turn the engine until both valves are closed and see if you can put air pressure in the engine if you hear air escaping from the intake or exhaust you have a damaged valve. If the engine try's to turn over the valves are probably fine. I have seen lifter buckets fail before. If the hydraulic part of the lifter was plugged and the lifter collapsed the cam slaps the lifter bucket every time it turns hitting it and can cause damage like this.
I'll do a quick check in later today. I bought a new engine for the car and plan on heading up Saturday to bring it home and hope to install it this coming week. The new engine has 114k on it and a #17 on it. So less than half the miles and a better head...
(12-19-2013, 02:25 AM)NGARover I'll do a quick check in later today. I bought a new engine for the car and plan on heading up Saturday to bring it home and hope to install it this coming week. The new engine has 114k on it and a #17 on it. So less than half the miles and a better head...
(12-19-2013, 02:25 AM)NGARover I'll do a quick check in later today. I bought a new engine for the car and plan on heading up Saturday to bring it home and hope to install it this coming week. The new engine has 114k on it and a #17 on it. So less than half the miles and a better head...
(12-17-2013, 04:08 PM)willbhere4u If the valve didn't fall in to the cylinder it may just need a new lifter bucket?
from the picture it looks look's the valve and spring are still there in good shape just replace the bucket and check the cam lobe for damage
(12-17-2013, 04:08 PM)willbhere4u If the valve didn't fall in to the cylinder it may just need a new lifter bucket?
from the picture it looks look's the valve and spring are still there in good shape just replace the bucket and check the cam lobe for damage
As I said in #76!
(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!
(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!
If that was my car I would file it down and use a brake hone to smooth it out then install a new bucket as long as the new bucket moves smoothly it should be fine for many more miles. I bet the screw hit the bucket and cam and broke the bucket. bet it would run just fine after that fix.
I did once rebuild 602 which died due to broken chain at highway speed. Out of 10, 9 valves where
either bent or broken. Hydraulic cam followers looked like the one in your pictures. Initialy I thought that entire engine is a scrap. After careful examination and pressure test it was rebuild. Car is on the road with original head and works just fine. The reason of broken chain after 353 000 km was
wear on camshaft sprocket. It was so bad that chain first jump the teeth and then when pistons
started to hit valves it broke. And that is a testimony how tought those engines are!
(12-27-2013, 10:18 PM)anjay I did once rebuild 602 which died due to broken chain at highway speed. Out of 10, 9 valves where
either bent or broken. Hydraulic cam followers looked like the one in your pictures. Initialy I thought that entire engine is a scrap. After careful examination and pressure test it was rebuild. Car is on the road with original head and works just fine. The reason of broken chain after 353 000 km was
wear on camshaft sprocket. It was so bad that chain first jump the teeth and then when pistons
started to hit valves it broke. And that is a testimony how tought those engines are!
(12-27-2013, 10:18 PM)anjay I did once rebuild 602 which died due to broken chain at highway speed. Out of 10, 9 valves where
either bent or broken. Hydraulic cam followers looked like the one in your pictures. Initialy I thought that entire engine is a scrap. After careful examination and pressure test it was rebuild. Car is on the road with original head and works just fine. The reason of broken chain after 353 000 km was
wear on camshaft sprocket. It was so bad that chain first jump the teeth and then when pistons
started to hit valves it broke. And that is a testimony how tought those engines are!
Alright.
So today was a balmy 45... Tomorrow looks like it might hit 50 then down to the 30's and wet for the following 7 days.... sigh. So busted my ass on the car today and will again tomorrow.
Got the engine out.
Cleaned everything up so it's nicer to work. I hate working on a greasy engine. Cleaned up the engine bay and scraped off most of the caulk some PO put over the seam. You can see the damage the caulk holding moister has caused. This is not OEM. Anyways, I'll remove everything from around the area first thing in the mooring and wire brush it, then tack what I can. I could cut that section out of the 94 and weld the metal together.
You know that old saying out of sight out of mind? Well I dropped the heat shield that covers the hanger bearing for the drive shaft and the rubber is all but gone, literally the bottom inch is still intact. Some other pieces fell out of the front mount of the drive shaft, I'll get some pictures tomorrow, but I'm going to need a diagram of what should be there.
At some point in the cars life, a PO used about 25 zip ties to mount the oil cooler... going to need to locate the correct brackets for that. Also the A/C line from the compressor to the condenser, at some point or for some reason the line was cut in half, and someone connected the two pieces with a piece of pipe inside and 4 cheap hose clamps. Good sign is that the compressor is free and about a cup of clean oil poured out of the line when I cut it again. I have to look but I might even get lucky and be able to use the stuff from the 94.
took some pictures of the engines showing the VIN in the new engine,
the Vac pumps on both (the one with the screws in the cover is the new engine) I'm guessing that must be a new style pump?
Hands hurt. Back hurts. Going to go a soak in my jacuzzi for an hour....
Those wheels sure do look purty on there! I am pretty much recovered today but am now busy tomorrow and wed. I could possibly come up Thur but Sat/Sun would be better for me. You still gonna be working on it then? Sorry I havent been up to help, I hate getting sick . On the bright side I've caught up on an untold number of b rated action flicks.
I wouldnt get too attached to the oil cooler mounts, even with 2.5" piping, you are gonna need to tilt it back some if you run it the same way I do (vs cutting into the bumper).
Double check on the vac pump, you will def want the newer model. I transfered the old one to my new engine when I swapped it. Also check the idler pulley arm, mine needs to be replace .
Got up this morning and thought hmmm... I should deal with that rust.
Looked around for some sheet metal and the solution seemed obvious the 94 e320! Lots of free sheet metal there.
Now disclaimer I'm NOT a welder. I'm not even a body repair guy.... I'm just a hack who want this issue fixed and I want to do it myself... so on with the show...
First thing I did was take everything away from the damaged area, then used a wire wheel on my drill to clean it up. First issue became painfully obvious. This car has been in a hard front end wreck in the past, bad enough that part of the front frame was replaced. Poorly. I'm guessing that this was the same job that caked all the caulk around (to hide their crappy work). Good news is that the rusted area didn't effect the spring perch, and only caught one side of the shock mount. Also, this car has always run like it's on rails, so they at least got that much ok.
Once everything was clean, I took my girder and grinder down all the crappy welds, (Now I'm no welder but I'm better than whoever did the work in the past). I welded anything that was still solid metal until I got to areas where the rust had created hole. then cut some metal out of the 94's fender to make patches and welded them into place. I also redid the weld going down the repair of the front frame rail.
At first I was going to grind it all down to make it pretty, then I thought screw that. It's my car and I want to be reminded of all the hell I've been though to make it mine... Besides, it makes for an interesting conversation piece. Very "Road Warrior"
Cleaned up the welds with the wire wheel and painted both sides with Rustolium. I'll revisit the areas again later on when I open this quart Por 15 I have. Got all the little bits put back and called it a day.
Got new oil cooler lines installed today. Except for the cooler part itself. Going to have to run that along with the old lines into town so get the lines removed. There is just no way I see doing it without damaging the cooler. The nut from the lines has all but become one with the threads.
Been doing a lot of little stuff to the car as I wait for parts. more pictures soon.
"Got down to 38f" lol
That'd be damn near tee shirt weather for us, and those crazy people across the pond would probably be sweating!
Hate to see your engine went, but now you can do whatever you want
(01-19-2014, 09:26 PM)MFSuper90 "Got down to 38f" lol
That'd be damn near tee shirt weather for us, and those crazy people across the pond would probably be sweating!
Hate to see your engine went, but now you can do whatever you want
(01-19-2014, 09:26 PM)MFSuper90 "Got down to 38f" lol
That'd be damn near tee shirt weather for us, and those crazy people across the pond would probably be sweating!
Hate to see your engine went, but now you can do whatever you want
(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)NGARover(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!Also, here are a couple shots showing the damage to the heads lifter cylinder.
(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)NGARover(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!Also, here are a couple shots showing the damage to the heads lifter cylinder.
(01-21-2014, 04:01 AM)EDH_Performance(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)NGARover(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!Also, here are a couple shots showing the damage to the heads lifter cylinder.
My chain broke at 6000rpm wot on my 606.
all 24 valves was bent, camshafts broke in many pieces, all cambearings broke.
Just changed 2 valveguides, 24 valves, new camshafts and bearings. Works as a new engine after that little incident
(01-21-2014, 04:01 AM)EDH_Performance(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)NGARover(12-24-2013, 07:21 PM)anjay As I said in #76!Also, here are a couple shots showing the damage to the heads lifter cylinder.
My chain broke at 6000rpm wot on my 606.
all 24 valves was bent, camshafts broke in many pieces, all cambearings broke.
Just changed 2 valveguides, 24 valves, new camshafts and bearings. Works as a new engine after that little incident
It's supposed to rain this weekend but only 30% on sunday. Am going to the junkyard on Sunday, a new 95 e320 came in yesterday at Pull A Part North.
(02-04-2014, 08:08 AM)winmutt It's supposed to rain this weekend but only 30% on sunday. Am going to the junkyard on Sunday, a new 95 e320 came in yesterday at Pull A Part North.
(02-04-2014, 08:08 AM)winmutt It's supposed to rain this weekend but only 30% on sunday. Am going to the junkyard on Sunday, a new 95 e320 came in yesterday at Pull A Part North.
Yeah, it's a nasty winter here in the south for working outside.
Going any lower in the front than what you've got pictured will be cosmetic and will not help handling.
Looks awfully green up there . I agree should take springs as is. Will probably be a little lower anyways because of the engine weight. Sucks about the oil cooler. Didn't you just get that off ebay? Id file a complaint.
(02-09-2014, 04:47 PM)NGARover(02-04-2014, 08:08 AM)winmutt It's supposed to rain this weekend but only 30% on sunday. Am going to the junkyard on Sunday, a new 95 e320 came in yesterday at Pull A Part North.
Worked on the car. Got the parts in for the drive train but didn't get to them. Soaked the oil cooler in buster for a week and tried but was still not budging. Not even with an air hammer on the bolts. So I took a cut off wheel and made a cut on each bolt. THEN used the air hammer. The top one came off fine. The bottom one seemed to, but alas, the threads are gone. Going to have to locate a local radiator rep are shop and see if they can retap it for me. Unless you know of one sitting around someplace.
While looking at the oil cooler I discovered that the mount for the front anti sway bar had sheered off right at the frame! I can't believe that during all this I had not noticed that till now. Good news is that the bracket is dirt cheap (like 26 bucks) but also that the 94 had the exact same one for free. Got it on and also used the bushing from the 94 as they where really nice. One issue though, the top bolt on the a arm that holds the bushing thats at the end of the bar broke also... Looks like I'll have to drill it out and find a bolt I can feed though, as its actually a part of the a arm.
Seems that A/C compressor is good from my car. It turns free and seems to pump the oil thats in it. The line had a lot of oil in it when I had to cut it. The one on the 94 seems to be the same unit as well, with just different hoses bolted to it... I know it works cause I ran it when I had the engine running. Going to need to have the bottom A/c hose that goes to the condenser before I run this engine.
Took another look at the drivers spring perch. I think I'm going to go ahead and run a new weld up the seam just to be safe when I swap out the springs from the 94. Still up in the air about cutting the spring. Here is a picture of the 94's stance again as it is now... Seems pretty low as it is.
Looks like snow coming in for the week so project is again on hold. I HATE not having a garage.
(02-09-2014, 04:47 PM)NGARover(02-04-2014, 08:08 AM)winmutt It's supposed to rain this weekend but only 30% on sunday. Am going to the junkyard on Sunday, a new 95 e320 came in yesterday at Pull A Part North.
Worked on the car. Got the parts in for the drive train but didn't get to them. Soaked the oil cooler in buster for a week and tried but was still not budging. Not even with an air hammer on the bolts. So I took a cut off wheel and made a cut on each bolt. THEN used the air hammer. The top one came off fine. The bottom one seemed to, but alas, the threads are gone. Going to have to locate a local radiator rep are shop and see if they can retap it for me. Unless you know of one sitting around someplace.
While looking at the oil cooler I discovered that the mount for the front anti sway bar had sheered off right at the frame! I can't believe that during all this I had not noticed that till now. Good news is that the bracket is dirt cheap (like 26 bucks) but also that the 94 had the exact same one for free. Got it on and also used the bushing from the 94 as they where really nice. One issue though, the top bolt on the a arm that holds the bushing thats at the end of the bar broke also... Looks like I'll have to drill it out and find a bolt I can feed though, as its actually a part of the a arm.
Seems that A/C compressor is good from my car. It turns free and seems to pump the oil thats in it. The line had a lot of oil in it when I had to cut it. The one on the 94 seems to be the same unit as well, with just different hoses bolted to it... I know it works cause I ran it when I had the engine running. Going to need to have the bottom A/c hose that goes to the condenser before I run this engine.
Took another look at the drivers spring perch. I think I'm going to go ahead and run a new weld up the seam just to be safe when I swap out the springs from the 94. Still up in the air about cutting the spring. Here is a picture of the 94's stance again as it is now... Seems pretty low as it is.
Looks like snow coming in for the week so project is again on hold. I HATE not having a garage.