Where to buy an Om606 or om605?
Where to buy an Om606 or om605?
After playing with some toyota gas burners im looking into these om606 and om605 motors. seems they have some potential. but the cars are hard to come buy. im just interested in the motor and a manual gearbox.
where is a good budget friendly place to pick up one? looking to get 450-500whp out of one.
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Here was a dyno of a 86 supra of mine.
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i was having problem with dwell settings and leaking wastegate. this is all stock NA block with hx35 16lbs (limit now is turbo, or change to higher octane and more boost)![[Image: IMG_20131206_173117_915_zps78e40253.jpg]](http://s1330.photobucket.com/user/agrantz629/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20131206_173117_915_zps78e40253.jpg.html)
Hey fellas,
After playing with some toyota gas burners im looking into these om606 and om605 motors. seems they have some potential. but the cars are hard to come buy. im just interested in the motor and a manual gearbox.
where is a good budget friendly place to pick up one? looking to get 450-500whp out of one.
Here was a dyno of a 86 supra of mine.
i was having problem with dwell settings and leaking wastegate. this is all stock NA block with hx35 16lbs (limit now is turbo, or change to higher octane and more boost)
(12-11-2013, 11:49 AM)aaa car-part.com for a 606. 605 was not sold here. Will it fit?
Ah. Well I should stick to a 606 then just so normal parts are easier to acquire. These 606 came with a mechanical pump right? I'd hate to need the ecu and other electronic bs.
Plan is to stuff it in something Toyota that came with inline 6. Like a cressida. Then adapt a Toyota R154 trans to it and make a one piece DS. Then turn it up and put it on the track. Learning experience really.
What's the recommended things to look for on these motors? What are the value on low miles vs high? What is considered high mileage? Where can I purchase springs retainers bearings forged slugs and rods if I exceed the 500hp mark?
(12-11-2013, 11:49 AM)aaa car-part.com for a 606. 605 was not sold here. Will it fit?
Ah. Well I should stick to a 606 then just so normal parts are easier to acquire. These 606 came with a mechanical pump right? I'd hate to need the ecu and other electronic bs.
Plan is to stuff it in something Toyota that came with inline 6. Like a cressida. Then adapt a Toyota R154 trans to it and make a one piece DS. Then turn it up and put it on the track. Learning experience really.
What's the recommended things to look for on these motors? What are the value on low miles vs high? What is considered high mileage? Where can I purchase springs retainers bearings forged slugs and rods if I exceed the 500hp mark?
Why do you want to put a merc engine Into a Toyota? Seems a backwards step to me? No offence/do what ever you wish etc....
Om606 have electronic pumps so a 603 mechanical pump is needed if you don't want ecu's
Mileage is just like any other well build diesel. How was it maintained?? I have see multiple people running 150% more power on 100,000 mile engines.
But if you plan on a strip and rebuild its not that big of a deal anyway??
Power is up to you. Pump can be modded by a few members on here, you will need a suitable turbo and intercooler set up.
Forged rods are available I believe but can't point the finger at where! Seen them in a build thread.... Have a look at the projects section there is plenty of 606 stuff around!
606 would be your best bet.
Why do you want to put a merc engine Into a Toyota? Seems a backwards step to me? No offence/do what ever you wish etc....
Om606 have electronic pumps so a 603 mechanical pump is needed if you don't want ecu's
Mileage is just like any other well build diesel. How was it maintained?? I have see multiple people running 150% more power on 100,000 mile engines.
But if you plan on a strip and rebuild its not that big of a deal anyway??
Power is up to you. Pump can be modded by a few members on here, you will need a suitable turbo and intercooler set up.
Forged rods are available I believe but can't point the finger at where! Seen them in a build thread.... Have a look at the projects section there is plenty of 606 stuff around!
So to comfirm what i read, the 603 was available in U.S and the 606.
EDH_Performance
12-19-2013, 11:28 AM #6Why put a merc engine in a supra? Why not, you will be the only one in the world!!! Go for it mate
(12-19-2013, 07:34 PM)Gearbound There is plenty on room in engine bay. So anyways I'm looking for a om606 long block and a om603 pump. I wanna get this show on the road
Carpart.com usually has 606.962's for 1k or so. add antoher 1k for a pump
Duncansport
12-20-2013, 03:12 PM #8(12-19-2013, 07:34 PM)Gearbound There is plenty on room in engine bay. So anyways I'm looking for a om606 long block and a om603 pump. I wanna get this show on the road
Carpart.com usually has 606.962's for 1k or so. add antoher 1k for a pump
Google the car auctions and try to see what's up with all that.
https://www.iaai.com/Auctions/AuctionMapView.aspx
there's one to get you started.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Sometimes I see the 606 cars on the auto auctions. Not sure how much hassle that might be but, it might be another place to look.
Google the car auctions and try to see what's up with all that.
https://www.iaai.com/Auctions/AuctionMapView.aspx
there's one to get you started.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
I use searchtempest.com to help me search
here is an NA I just found in under 5min
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/4256026736.html
They are not easiest to find and not easy to find real cheap. Trying to help give you search tips.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
I have seen some om606 turbo and na on craigslist listed for lower than that $5k maybe even under $3k.
I use searchtempest.com to help me search
here is an NA I just found in under 5min
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/4256026736.html
They are not easiest to find and not easy to find real cheap. Trying to help give you search tips.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/4236372933.html
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
here's an NA one in TN
http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/4236372933.html
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
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There are some scattered all over the US.
Maybe you could watch to see when they auction and see what those junk cars sell for.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
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There are some scattered all over the US.
Maybe you could watch to see when they auction and see what those junk cars sell for.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Has anyone been able to buy from Iaai.com? if so whats the process?1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
mike-81-240d
01-05-2014, 09:38 PM #19Justpassinthru has a OM606 with low miles for sale.
1981 Mercedes 300TD Lowered 4 speed manual Holset HX30
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-05-2014, 11:48 PM #20True, and I *might* have just found the oil pan. I'll have to check it tomorrow.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
i really do pity you guys in america, if you look on UK ebay we are literally falling over the e300td around 100k for pennys £250 is a very easy buy, my 606 purchase actually made me money by the time i had scrapped the shell and sold some bits on i didnt need
then someone build mk4 supra with a built om606 and make 10sec pass. get in a magazine article and a video with 1320. then sell hundreds of om606 to the states. boom millionaires.but seriously I wish om606 motors where like 2jz motors as far as price and avaliablity.
Take a cargo container and fill it with om606 motors and send it to the east coast of the states. like charleston port then someone build mk4 supra with a built om606 and make 10sec pass. get in a magazine article and a video with 1320. then sell hundreds of om606 to the states. boom millionaires.
but seriously I wish om606 motors where like 2jz motors as far as price and avaliablity.
For comparison, there is some US company selling those new suburu 2.5L boxer diesels in the usa for like $2k or more.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
There was serious talk about that idea a while ago but it never happened. Some members were talking about 5 or 10 motors on pallets shipped and all that jazz. I think it is just no capitol and anyone filling out the business of it. Though that plan is rock solid.
For comparison, there is some US company selling those new suburu 2.5L boxer diesels in the usa for like $2k or more.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Also lets say i find a NA block cheap. where can i get forged rods and pistons and springs from?
done some quick research, seems that the NA head isnt designed as well as the turbo with the pre chamber and strength against cracking.
well thats a shame. the 2.5 diesel boxers dont hold up well in stock form do they?
Also lets say i find a NA block cheap. where can i get forged rods and pistons and springs from?
done some quick research, seems that the NA head isnt designed as well as the turbo with the pre chamber and strength against cracking.
Also, have seen this with vw motors. But sadly there is no warehouse full of 605/606 in USA.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Well, I hadn't known those motors were shiat. I was just talking about the whole scheme of crating up motors in europe and then reselling them in USA.
Also, have seen this with vw motors. But sadly there is no warehouse full of 605/606 in USA.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
I think there was some tremec transmissions from cadillac cts and corvettes people have used. Maybe try and search this site or use google to search and you maybe find the thread(s) about all that.
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
01-08-2014, 10:49 AM #33I pretty sure the Subaru diesels are a 2.0 flat 4 never heard of any problems with them in stock form. they make impressive numbers seen several VW Vanagons running them over here.
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
HaavardPYA
01-09-2014, 10:58 AM #34I got a 220cdi 6-speed tranny for sale. Spec stage 4 clutch and pressureplate. Biggest outputflange from gearbox.
(01-07-2014, 08:31 PM)larsalan There was serious talk about that idea a while ago but it never happened. Some members were talking about 5 or 10 motors on pallets shipped and all that jazz. I think it is just no capitol and anyone filling out the business of it. Though that plan is rock solid.
For comparison, there is some US company selling those new suburu 2.5L boxer diesels in the usa for like $2k or more.
I would ship 605's and 606's spare pumps etc etc enough to fill a container to the USA.
What I'm not prepared to do is sink thousands of pounds into a container filled with old engines that I'm not definite will sell. If enough people signed on the dotted line getting hold of these engines would only be a small matter of time.
There are loads of US gas engine people would pay good money for over here! Plus parts!!
Ls v8 engines sell for double if not more here in the uk than in the US just like the merc desiel engines.
If anyone in the USA is really serious then pm me.
But at least 20 engines would need to go to and from the states to make it worth while!
(01-07-2014, 08:31 PM)larsalan There was serious talk about that idea a while ago but it never happened. Some members were talking about 5 or 10 motors on pallets shipped and all that jazz. I think it is just no capitol and anyone filling out the business of it. Though that plan is rock solid.
For comparison, there is some US company selling those new suburu 2.5L boxer diesels in the usa for like $2k or more.
I would ship 605's and 606's spare pumps etc etc enough to fill a container to the USA.
What I'm not prepared to do is sink thousands of pounds into a container filled with old engines that I'm not definite will sell. If enough people signed on the dotted line getting hold of these engines would only be a small matter of time.
There are loads of US gas engine people would pay good money for over here! Plus parts!!
Ls v8 engines sell for double if not more here in the uk than in the US just like the merc desiel engines.
If anyone in the USA is really serious then pm me.
But at least 20 engines would need to go to and from the states to make it worth while!
maybe an admin could organize and group buy? Im 100% in if the price is cheaper that finding locally.
If its not inline its out of line
20 engines is a lot of people to organize. and over here ls1 motors can be found with computer and harness with all the parts needed to swap for $1000 to $2500 if it comes with manual transmission. Then the import toyota 2jzgte have been selling for $1300-$2300 depending on if it is vvti motor or with transmission.
maybe an admin could organize and group buy? Im 100% in if the price is cheaper that finding locally.
If its not inline its out of line
Transmission there are a lot of options, but the Supra (2jz) gearbox is tough and easy to acquire in the states. So go with that. Otherwise a Tremec t56 is a good tranny. Or the BMW diesel gearboxes. Like 325/525tds (for 5spd) or 530d (for 6spd) the later also super, super tough. Mercedes gearboxes are harder to find. The 6spd 230 kompressor is a strong one though and fits bolt on.
Clutch then. Use a singel mass flywheel from the old 190-cars (w201) and make it like this
pictures... Using a Sachs (ZF) 765 pressure plate and a 240mm clutch plate. That will work for most power applications, Need more, use a tilton.F-tune Performance
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Just to get back on track. You'll need a om606 engine right. Then you need a mechanical pump with high RS-number, but someone has to build the pump for you to make some power. That guy is probably Dieselmeken. So why not let him find the right pump to modify, that would be easier and cheaper than you find a pump, sending that bad boy to Sweden, get it rebuilt and then shipped over the pond again.
Transmission there are a lot of options, but the Supra (2jz) gearbox is tough and easy to acquire in the states. So go with that. Otherwise a Tremec t56 is a good tranny. Or the BMW diesel gearboxes. Like 325/525tds (for 5spd) or 530d (for 6spd) the later also super, super tough. Mercedes gearboxes are harder to find. The 6spd 230 kompressor is a strong one though and fits bolt on.
Clutch then. Use a singel mass flywheel from the old 190-cars (w201) and make it like this pictures... Using a Sachs (ZF) 765 pressure plate and a 240mm clutch plate. That will work for most power applications, Need more, use a tilton.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
And when you mean make the flywheel like the one in the picture that's where I have seen in build threads where you have turned it on a lathe and added the new pressure plate pattern to it?
If its not inline its out of line
Awesome! This is exactly what I'm looking for! I've heard about dieselmeken when I had the om617 and wanted to build it for power then learned more about it and decided the om606 would be better option.
And when you mean make the flywheel like the one in the picture that's where I have seen in build threads where you have turned it on a lathe and added the new pressure plate pattern to it?
If its not inline its out of line
Yes, this is a w201 Mercedes 190 carburator car from the mid 80's flywheel that we have put in the lathe and then made the pin-pattern and bolt pattern on it to fit the Sachs 765 pressure plate.Solid, stable and can cope with most peoples desire of power. This setup (this picture) is from our om604 build. But we are using a stock organic clutch plate from the om605 (that's 240mm). On the om605 we have same type of flywheel and the same pressure plate but a 6-point sinter clutch plate.
(01-15-2014, 09:44 AM)Gearbound Awesome! This is exactly what I'm looking for! I've heard about dieselmeken when I had the om617 and wanted to build it for power then learned more about it and decided the om606 would be better option.
And when you mean make the flywheel like the one in the picture that's where I have seen in build threads where you have turned it on a lathe and added the new pressure plate pattern to it?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Yes, this is a w201 Mercedes 190 carburator car from the mid 80's flywheel that we have put in the lathe and then made the pin-pattern and bolt pattern on it to fit the Sachs 765 pressure plate.
Solid, stable and can cope with most peoples desire of power. This setup (this picture) is from our om604 build. But we are using a stock organic clutch plate from the om605 (that's 240mm). On the om605 we have same type of flywheel and the same pressure plate but a 6-point sinter clutch plate.
(01-15-2014, 09:44 AM)Gearbound Awesome! This is exactly what I'm looking for! I've heard about dieselmeken when I had the om617 and wanted to build it for power then learned more about it and decided the om606 would be better option.
And when you mean make the flywheel like the one in the picture that's where I have seen in build threads where you have turned it on a lathe and added the new pressure plate pattern to it?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
700Nm = 516,3 ft-lb
1000Nm = 737,5 ft-lb
And as I said, safe is a little less.
(01-15-2014, 09:24 PM)Gearbound What kind of power does it withstand?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
With organic disc you can do up towards 700Nm (600-650Nm safe). And with a sinter disc you can tap on 4-digit in Nm.
700Nm = 516,3 ft-lb
1000Nm = 737,5 ft-lb
And as I said, safe is a little less.
(01-15-2014, 09:24 PM)Gearbound What kind of power does it withstand?
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Which 230 kompressor? I see a few different models and years.
If its not inline its out of line
Insane190d
01-16-2014, 06:07 AM #46Make that 3 people for an om606 or 605.. I'm looking to build something mean. How much power can the w201 5 speed trannys hold? I have 2 of them and plan on using them..?
Anyhow here is a list of the gearing if that's interesting. 716.66 is the strongest of them all.
The cars that have strong gearboxes are:
e270cdi, e290tdt, 230.kompressor and e320cdi (straight six). These bolt on pretty straight away.
![[Image: mb6spdmanualgearskmm0.png]](http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/WaernE/Mercedes%20grejer/mb6spdmanualgearskmm0.png)
(01-16-2014, 05:42 AM)Gearbound 1000nm sounds like a good goal. The 6spd 230 kompressor transmission you said is the stronger one to get and it bolts on right?
Which 230 kompressor? I see a few different models and years.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Typical, I can't find the list... But I reccon there is only one 6spd gearbox for the 230-kompressor cars. But I can be wrong. It should be the 716.64.
Anyhow here is a list of the gearing if that's interesting. 716.66 is the strongest of them all.
The cars that have strong gearboxes are:
e270cdi, e290tdt, 230.kompressor and e320cdi (straight six). These bolt on pretty straight away.
(01-16-2014, 05:42 AM)Gearbound 1000nm sounds like a good goal. The 6spd 230 kompressor transmission you said is the stronger one to get and it bolts on right?
Which 230 kompressor? I see a few different models and years.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Why not use the Toyota W58 or R154 transmission behind the Benz motor? You might be able to get an adapter bellhousing from Dellow or Conversion components.
1987 Mercedes 190TD
That's a beautiful Supra. I owned an '88 from new. It was a terrific car in many respects, but the chassis was as limber as a wet noodle. The targa roof version had scary scuttle shake if you popped the roof off. A strut brace would help a bit. Do you still have the TEMS struts? I eventually upgraded to a much firmer set of fixed resistance struts...Tokico if I remember right. If I still had that car, I'd install a set of Koni's. I think these cars have good investment potential.
Why not use the Toyota W58 or R154 transmission behind the Benz motor? You might be able to get an adapter bellhousing from Dellow or Conversion components.
1987 Mercedes 190TD
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
JustPassinThru
01-21-2014, 06:36 PM #49The oil pan for the OM606.962 I found is cracked and holed. However, the oilpan on the OM606.912 I have, has the same 606 014 08 02 part number. I have both engines for sale together with an RS 178 OM603 IP, all three items for $1600, local pickup in Renton, Washington. The .962 is missing the manifolds, crankshaft pulley, and IP. The .912 is essentially complete and I believe the manifolds and crankshaft pulley as well as the oil pan will transfer over. Flywheels have gotten a bit rusty on both, sitting six months in a damp garage.
Gone but not forgotten: two W123 sedans and two W124 wagons.
W124 1987 300TD wagon, for sale, $1000 (some assembly required).
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