Norwegian OM606 build
Norwegian OM606 build
10-06-2013, 10:18 AM
#251
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It has a watercooled core, 4" v-band dp, very small light weight turbine, much smaller than the hx35 so it will be fun to se how early it spools
It can handle pressure of pr:5 and flows almost 70 lbs/min. I have the compressormap but that is not for public^^
EDH_Performance
10-06-2013, 10:18 AM #251The HE300WG looks like this:
It has a watercooled core, 4" v-band dp, very small light weight turbine, much smaller than the hx35 so it will be fun to se how early it spools It can handle pressure of pr:5 and flows almost 70 lbs/min. I have the compressormap but that is not for public^^
10-07-2013, 05:30 AM
#254
(10-06-2013, 05:20 PM)Turbo It would be very interesting to compare the HE300WG map to efr 7163
why do you want to inject water /methanol between the LP and HP stage
No after and intercooler?
Nice pump)
Sorry, the compmap isn`t for the public
But i can tell you that it is a bit wider, starting from the same lbs/min and the holset can handle one bar extra... The pr peak is at the same place, but the holset is at pr:5 where the efr is only 4. The holset holds that peak quit long
if this is the compmap:
http://www.turbodriven.com/performancetu.../71x80.jpg
I don`t know if i have room for an intercooler between the stages, but time will tell
This post was last modified: 10-07-2013, 05:31 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
10-07-2013, 05:30 AM #254(10-06-2013, 05:20 PM)Turbo It would be very interesting to compare the HE300WG map to efr 7163
why do you want to inject water /methanol between the LP and HP stage
No after and intercooler?
Nice pump
Sorry, the compmap isn`t for the public
But i can tell you that it is a bit wider, starting from the same lbs/min and the holset can handle one bar extra... The pr peak is at the same place, but the holset is at pr:5 where the efr is only 4. The holset holds that peak quit long
if this is the compmap:
http://www.turbodriven.com/performancetu.../71x80.jpg
I don`t know if i have room for an intercooler between the stages, but time will tell
10-08-2013, 01:25 AM
#255
The efr 7163 has a mass ratio about 6 if we consider 0,08kg/s to 0,45kg/s from pr2 to pr 3, as what I have seen that wide is quite good but I have not seen the HX300W so I can not say anything about that one. The back side to efr 7163 is it poor capability to handle surge but it has titanium turbine wheel and diagonal turbine construction so back pressure is less going to be affected by the turbos rpm and ball bering will aslo help spool time. for om606.962 13psi at 1600rpm and goes by it self up to 4000rpm at 40psi so by suitable LP turbo it has no problem to come along up to 7000-8000rpm with a flow of 100lbs/min if it is desired without need to be shut down before.
If you are going to run the turbo quite by them self I can understand you need for high pressure ratio for HP unit but a high pressure compressor design is going to have trade of in other areas. if we consider constant polytropical efficiency for the compressor design is-entropic efficiency is always going to drop from best efficiency point with increasing presser ratio. The really hard part is that no manufacturer, that I know of, show openly there turbine map, and holset is even hard to find the compressor maps as well. If you have enough information on the unit in hand you can put it in borg warners matchbot to play to see how it comes out to make an early prediction of performance for the engine, of course the program have some limitation but it is quite fun to see the difference of different setups
It is going to be very interesting to follow you build, keep up the good work
(10-07-2013, 05:30 AM)EDH_Performance(10-06-2013, 05:20 PM)Turbo It would be very interesting to compare the HE300WG map to efr 7163
why do you want to inject water /methanol between the LP and HP stage
No after and intercooler?
Nice pump
Sorry, the compmap isn`t for the public
But i can tell you that it is a bit wider, starting from the same lbs/min and the holset can handle one bar extra... The pr peak is at the same place, but the holset is at pr:5 where the efr is only 4. The holset holds that peak quit long
if this is the compmap:
http://www.turbodriven.com/performancetu.../71x80.jpg
I don`t know if i have room for an intercooler between the stages, but time will tell
Yes, to fit intercooler is a real challenge specially if one is to use an aftercooler as well with is quite good in point to gain some efficiency or less need of drive pressure depending how you want to put it.
The efr 7163 has a mass ratio about 6 if we consider 0,08kg/s to 0,45kg/s from pr2 to pr 3, as what I have seen that wide is quite good but I have not seen the HX300W so I can not say anything about that one. The back side to efr 7163 is it poor capability to handle surge but it has titanium turbine wheel and diagonal turbine construction so back pressure is less going to be affected by the turbos rpm and ball bering will aslo help spool time. for om606.962 13psi at 1600rpm and goes by it self up to 4000rpm at 40psi so by suitable LP turbo it has no problem to come along up to 7000-8000rpm with a flow of 100lbs/min if it is desired without need to be shut down before.
If you are going to run the turbo quite by them self I can understand you need for high pressure ratio for HP unit but a high pressure compressor design is going to have trade of in other areas. if we consider constant polytropical efficiency for the compressor design is-entropic efficiency is always going to drop from best efficiency point with increasing presser ratio. The really hard part is that no manufacturer, that I know of, show openly there turbine map, and holset is even hard to find the compressor maps as well. If you have enough information on the unit in hand you can put it in borg warners matchbot to play to see how it comes out to make an early prediction of performance for the engine, of course the program have some limitation but it is quite fun to see the difference of different setups
It is going to be very interesting to follow you build, keep up the good work
(10-07-2013, 05:30 AM)EDH_Performance(10-06-2013, 05:20 PM)Turbo It would be very interesting to compare the HE300WG map to efr 7163
why do you want to inject water /methanol between the LP and HP stage
No after and intercooler?
Nice pump
Sorry, the compmap isn`t for the public
But i can tell you that it is a bit wider, starting from the same lbs/min and the holset can handle one bar extra... The pr peak is at the same place, but the holset is at pr:5 where the efr is only 4. The holset holds that peak quit long
if this is the compmap:
http://www.turbodriven.com/performancetu.../71x80.jpg
I don`t know if i have room for an intercooler between the stages, but time will tell
10-29-2013, 09:24 AM
#256
Use a couple of hours to tackweld something togheter:
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The manifold needs alot of work, and the two collectors needs alot of work to sort out the gasflow!
The challenge is to make room for 2x50mm wg and keep the flow under control
Stay tuned!
This post was last modified: 10-29-2013, 09:25 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
10-29-2013, 09:24 AM #256Here is the FINAL layout for the manifold. With this manifold everything fits under the hood...Almost!
Use a couple of hours to tackweld something togheter:
The manifold needs alot of work, and the two collectors needs alot of work to sort out the gasflow!
The challenge is to make room for 2x50mm wg and keep the flow under control
Stay tuned!
10-29-2013, 11:32 AM
#257
raysorenson
10-29-2013, 11:32 AM #257I've read that the 6 into 1 collector isn't the best. Good to see someone trying to squeeze 2 collectors under the hood.
10-30-2013, 03:04 AM
#258
(10-29-2013, 11:32 AM)raysorenson I've read that the 6 into 1 collector isn't the best. Good to see someone trying to squeeze 2 collectors under the hood.
Hi, a split collector is the preffered way to go yes! But since the turbo has such a small exhausthousing and it is singel entery it had to be like this
EDH_Performance
10-30-2013, 03:04 AM #258(10-29-2013, 11:32 AM)raysorenson I've read that the 6 into 1 collector isn't the best. Good to see someone trying to squeeze 2 collectors under the hood.
Hi, a split collector is the preffered way to go yes! But since the turbo has such a small exhausthousing and it is singel entery it had to be like this
10-30-2013, 03:24 AM
#259
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
looks good as always, soon to be working now?
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
12-28-2013, 07:31 AM
#260
3 sequential turbo setup!
Custom built bypass-valve:
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Plan is to have a nice torq curve from 1500rpm and full power up to 8000rpm!
EDH_Performance
12-28-2013, 07:31 AM #260Hahah, new route again! But this time i promiss it will be the final setup!
3 sequential turbo setup!
Custom built bypass-valve:
Plan is to have a nice torq curve from 1500rpm and full power up to 8000rpm!
12-28-2013, 08:40 AM
#261
Great inspiration for us normal people who only work a few hours each day on our projects
With 3 turbos I guess your whole dash will be full of instruments to control everything, and you will need a few buddy's to watch them while you try to keep this thing on the road
You never stop to surprise Great inspiration for us normal people who only work a few hours each day on our projects
With 3 turbos I guess your whole dash will be full of instruments to control everything, and you will need a few buddy's to watch them while you try to keep this thing on the road
12-28-2013, 02:46 PM
#264
(12-28-2013, 01:05 PM)MFSuper90 Holset he221, and what are the other two?
Holset HE221 with custom exhausthousing, Holset HE300 and HX60 with custom housing.
HE221 exhaust housing:
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Just need to weld v-band clamps in both ends of the housing
How they sit in the car:
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This post was last modified: 12-28-2013, 02:49 PM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
12-28-2013, 02:46 PM #264(12-28-2013, 01:05 PM)MFSuper90 Holset he221, and what are the other two?
Holset HE221 with custom exhausthousing, Holset HE300 and HX60 with custom housing.
HE221 exhaust housing:
Just need to weld v-band clamps in both ends of the housing
How they sit in the car:
12-28-2013, 04:42 PM
#265
I have serious problem to fit two two turbos intercooler and aftercooler in a good way and you have three turboskeep up the good work
This post was last modified: 12-28-2013, 04:43 PM by Turbo.
Must say I am very curious about how you are going to fit all that under the hood, and even more how you are going to put it together I have serious problem to fit two two turbos intercooler and aftercooler in a good way and you have three turbos
keep up the good work
12-28-2013, 05:16 PM
#266
(12-28-2013, 04:42 PM)Turbo Must say I am very curious about how you are going to fit all that under the hood, and even more how you are going to put it together
keep up the good work
Hehe, you need some challenges in life^^
Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
I can adjust some with the housing but i can't surge
EDH_Performance
12-28-2013, 05:16 PM #266(12-28-2013, 04:42 PM)Turbo Must say I am very curious about how you are going to fit all that under the hood, and even more how you are going to put it together
keep up the good work
Hehe, you need some challenges in life^^
Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
I can adjust some with the housing but i can't surge
12-28-2013, 06:07 PM
#267
Quote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
Hehe, you need some challenges in life
Quote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
12-28-2013, 06:15 PM
#268
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
I am not the guy that sits inside and calculate when the turbo spools! Waste of time
Build, try and make a good and learnfull experience out of it
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
Hehe, i machined antisurge in mye first setup, and there is alot more ways to remove the surge
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
Hehe, i machined antisurge in mye first setup, and there is alot more ways to remove the surge
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
I am not the guy that sits inside and calculate when the turbo spools! Waste of time
Build, try and make a good and learnfull experience out of it
This post was last modified: 12-28-2013, 06:25 PM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
12-28-2013, 06:15 PM #268(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
I am not the guy that sits inside and calculate when the turbo spools! Waste of time
Build, try and make a good and learnfull experience out of it
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
Hehe, i machined antisurge in mye first setup, and there is alot more ways to remove the surge
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
Hehe, i machined antisurge in mye first setup, and there is alot more ways to remove the surge
(12-28-2013, 06:07 PM)Turbo Hehe, you need some challenges in lifeQuote:" could have not said it better my self
"Will be fun to see when the smallest turbo will spool
You mean you have not calculated when it start to spool?
surge problem can be dealt with, if you just know how to do
I am not the guy that sits inside and calculate when the turbo spools! Waste of time
Build, try and make a good and learnfull experience out of it
12-28-2013, 07:41 PM
#269
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
This post was last modified: 12-28-2013, 07:52 PM by Turbo.
well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
12-28-2013, 08:13 PM
#270
(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
The hx60 will take over in the end in this secound setup. Maybe i will change to a turbo that can support more boost...But first thing first, get this thing to boost^^
EDH_Performance
12-28-2013, 08:13 PM #270(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
The hx60 will take over in the end in this secound setup. Maybe i will change to a turbo that can support more boost...But first thing first, get this thing to boost^^
12-29-2013, 07:37 AM
#272
(12-29-2013, 06:02 AM)erling66 Not many people take new turbos and chop them up into pieces just because they are not satisfied with the way they are build, but this is how progress is made so continue your great work Daniel
Hehe, you should come over soon Erling
EDH_Performance
12-29-2013, 07:37 AM #272(12-29-2013, 06:02 AM)erling66 Not many people take new turbos and chop them up into pieces just because they are not satisfied with the way they are build, but this is how progress is made so continue your great work Daniel
Hehe, you should come over soon Erling
12-29-2013, 08:23 AM
#273
hansebanger77
12-29-2013, 08:23 AM #273Looking awesome ! Keep up that nice work and tripple spool up that crazy thing
12-29-2013, 09:01 AM
#274
In my own project I have doing some calculating for 6 month before I have found something that can start to match that performance I am looking for, and I guess there will still need some tuning in the end, but I have narrow it reasonably close. Perhaps Daniel has some magical powers that are up for reveal, I sure looking forward to see them here
This post was last modified: 12-29-2013, 09:11 AM by Turbo.
Daniel possesses great decisiveness to put things together we have all seen many times like many other here on the forum for that matter, I am just puzzled why he do not calculate more on the turbo part since these things is relative complex and the more turbo you ad the more degrees of freedom will come with them and they do not by nature work by it self that I am sure a lot of has experience in the past. And he is not like some finish meaning that he love secretiveness to obsession, but that is my personal opinion.
In my own project I have doing some calculating for 6 month before I have found something that can start to match that performance I am looking for, and I guess there will still need some tuning in the end, but I have narrow it reasonably close. Perhaps Daniel has some magical powers that are up for reveal, I sure looking forward to see them here
12-29-2013, 09:19 AM
#275
(12-29-2013, 06:02 AM)erling66 Not many people take new turbos and chop them up into pieces just because they are not satisfied with the way they are build, but this is how progress is made so continue your great work Daniel
Hehe, you should come over soon Erling
(12-29-2013, 09:01 AM)Turbo Daniel possesses great decisiveness to put things together we have all seen many times like many other here on the forum for that matter, I am just puzzled why he do not calculate more on the turbo part since these things is relative complex and the more turbo you ad the more degrees of freedom will come with them and they do not by nature work by it self that I am sure a lot of has experience in the past. And he is not like some finish meaning that he love secretiveness to obsession, but that is my personal opinion.
In my own project I have doing some calculating for 6 month before I have found something that can start to match that performance I am looking for, and I guess there will still need some tuning in the end, but I have narrow it reasonably close. Perhaps Daniel has some magical powers that are up for reveal, I sure looking forward to see them here
All three turbos are sized based on their compressormaps.
And all this building don't cost me much, just time...6 months is a long time for me, i would rather spend all that time fabricating my setup based on some small calculations than have it all on paper and nothing in the car.....Just my opinion^^
This post was last modified: 12-29-2013, 09:27 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
12-29-2013, 09:19 AM #275(12-29-2013, 06:02 AM)erling66 Not many people take new turbos and chop them up into pieces just because they are not satisfied with the way they are build, but this is how progress is made so continue your great work Daniel
Hehe, you should come over soon Erling
(12-29-2013, 09:01 AM)Turbo Daniel possesses great decisiveness to put things together we have all seen many times like many other here on the forum for that matter, I am just puzzled why he do not calculate more on the turbo part since these things is relative complex and the more turbo you ad the more degrees of freedom will come with them and they do not by nature work by it self that I am sure a lot of has experience in the past. And he is not like some finish meaning that he love secretiveness to obsession, but that is my personal opinion.
In my own project I have doing some calculating for 6 month before I have found something that can start to match that performance I am looking for, and I guess there will still need some tuning in the end, but I have narrow it reasonably close. Perhaps Daniel has some magical powers that are up for reveal, I sure looking forward to see them here
All three turbos are sized based on their compressormaps.
And all this building don't cost me much, just time...6 months is a long time for me, i would rather spend all that time fabricating my setup based on some small calculations than have it all on paper and nothing in the car.....Just my opinion^^
12-29-2013, 12:01 PM
#276
Some go try&error, some do science, some do a little of both - the result is what matters
DiseaselWeasel
12-29-2013, 12:01 PM #276Many ways lead to Rome Some go try&error, some do science, some do a little of both - the result is what matters
12-29-2013, 01:27 PM
#277
(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
EDH_Performance
12-29-2013, 01:27 PM #277(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
12-30-2013, 02:38 PM
#279
(12-29-2013, 01:27 PM)EDH_Performance(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
everything do not show on a dyno, simply when you let go of of the gas and push on again how fast the boost will build up again never shows on the dyno, that crisp responess is great for a daily driver.
(12-29-2013, 01:27 PM)EDH_Performance(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
12-30-2013, 07:13 PM
#280
(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
He is from norway, he is made of money
Is the goal with trippelturbos more hp and more boost or just better driveability?
Do you think the stenparner rods will hold?
Holset power!
(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
He is from norway, he is made of money
Is the goal with trippelturbos more hp and more boost or just better driveability?
Do you think the stenparner rods will hold?
Holset power!
01-01-2014, 09:19 AM
#282
(12-30-2013, 02:38 PM)Turbo everything do not show on a dyno, simply when you let go of of the gas and push on again how fast the boost will build up again never shows on the dyno, that crisp responess is great for a daily driver.
(12-29-2013, 01:27 PM)EDH_Performance(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
If that little 60mm he221 not spools fast i must have done something really wrong
(12-30-2013, 07:13 PM)john(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
He is from norway, he is made of money
Is the goal with trippelturbos more hp and more boost or just better driveability?
Do you think the stenparner rods will hold?
Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
This post was last modified: 01-01-2014, 09:21 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
01-01-2014, 09:19 AM #282(12-30-2013, 02:38 PM)Turbo everything do not show on a dyno, simply when you let go of of the gas and push on again how fast the boost will build up again never shows on the dyno, that crisp responess is great for a daily driver.
(12-29-2013, 01:27 PM)EDH_Performance(12-29-2013, 12:01 PM)DiseaselWeasel Many ways lead to Rome
Totally true mate, the dyno graph shows it all in the end^^ And along the way, have fun building it
If that little 60mm he221 not spools fast i must have done something really wrong
(12-30-2013, 07:13 PM)john(12-28-2013, 07:41 PM)Turbo well some calculations for me can save a lot of time and money and the ability to better performance predicate to retch your goals, but we are all different
I like to build and develop things, it comes a time for all of us when repair is not that fun any more, at least so it has been for me. Simply I am just a poor bastard and need to maximise my resources so I can get something nice ...
Very interesting how you going to make them work, are you going to use them together all the way or shall your HX60 take all in the end?
He is from norway, he is made of money
Is the goal with trippelturbos more hp and more boost or just better driveability?
Do you think the stenparner rods will hold?
Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
01-01-2014, 10:35 AM
#283
http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-adds-four-trip...ars/21227/
Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
^ surely not one of a kind. BMW had the same idea
http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-adds-four-trip...ars/21227/
Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
01-01-2014, 10:40 AM
#284
(01-01-2014, 10:35 AM)larsalan ^ surely not one of a kind. BMW had the same idea
http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-adds-four-trip...ars/21227/
I know, i meant a one of a kind om606
EDH_Performance
01-01-2014, 10:40 AM #284(01-01-2014, 10:35 AM)larsalan ^ surely not one of a kind. BMW had the same idea
http://www.gizmag.com/bmw-adds-four-trip...ars/21227/
I know, i meant a one of a kind om606
01-01-2014, 03:08 PM
#285
If that little 60mm he221 not spools fast i must have done something really wrong
Well when out going to hit higher rpm and go of the throttle and go back on again there you going to notice that the smallets turbo is out of the way there and can not help you any thing, I have not seen your maps so I can not see exactly where this two areas specially noticeable is going to be for you, believe me they are very well noticeably, this can easy be experienced in a BMW 535D with R2S system
If that little 60mm he221 not spools fast i must have done something really wrong
01-03-2014, 03:49 PM
#286
(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Looks sickNever heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
Holset power!
(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Looks sickNever heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
Holset power!
01-06-2014, 03:39 AM
#287
(01-03-2014, 03:49 PM)john(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Never heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
The problem with those rods are the upper part, they are very thin around the bushing...So the stretch when revving too high^^
The last picture with the turbos was wrong, this is how the needs to sit! had a few buddies in the workshop to plan and look for problems...All turbos are mounted to the engine block so all the pipe work can be done while the engine is on a enginestand
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![[Image: 20140104_173012_zps22244b5a.jpg]](http://s3.photobucket.com/user/volvoturbopower/media/20140104_173012_zps22244b5a.jpg.html)
![[Image: 20140104_173037_zps5b9a18de.jpg]](http://s3.photobucket.com/user/volvoturbopower/media/20140104_173037_zps5b9a18de.jpg.html)
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This post was last modified: 01-06-2014, 03:47 AM by EDH_Performance.
EDH_Performance
01-06-2014, 03:39 AM #287(01-03-2014, 03:49 PM)john(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Never heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
The problem with those rods are the upper part, they are very thin around the bushing...So the stretch when revving too high^^
The last picture with the turbos was wrong, this is how the needs to sit! had a few buddies in the workshop to plan and look for problems...All turbos are mounted to the engine block so all the pipe work can be done while the engine is on a enginestand
01-06-2014, 08:18 AM
#289
(01-06-2014, 05:23 AM)Turbo nice intercooler made it your self?
No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
EDH_Performance
01-06-2014, 08:18 AM #289(01-06-2014, 05:23 AM)Turbo nice intercooler made it your self?
No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
01-07-2014, 02:56 AM
#291
(01-06-2014, 03:03 PM)Turbo manufacturer?I have no clue, sorry! But what about klracing.se?
(01-06-2014, 08:18 AM)EDH_Performance(01-06-2014, 05:23 AM)Turbo nice intercooler made it your self?
No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
EDH_Performance
01-07-2014, 02:56 AM #291(01-06-2014, 03:03 PM)Turbo manufacturer?I have no clue, sorry! But what about klracing.se?
(01-06-2014, 08:18 AM)EDH_Performance(01-06-2014, 05:23 AM)Turbo nice intercooler made it your self?
No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
01-07-2014, 07:38 AM
#292
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
lgreeley83
01-07-2014, 07:38 AM #2923 turbos! I can't wait!
" straighten up that star on the grill, assholes."
01-07-2014, 09:15 AM
#293
raysorenson
01-07-2014, 09:15 AM #293CXracing is an American (likely chinese mfg) company that makes tons of cheap IC's and that looks just like one they sell.
01-07-2014, 09:57 AM
#294
I need to fit both after, intercooler and radiator and the cooler after LP turbo need to to have connection from up to down to make the piping reasonably. and it will be at least 5" thick because of pressure losses, total area available is 500*780 and it need to be able to cool the boosted air of about 250kw and the heat from the cooling liquid for cooing the engine. Your looked quite thick there of my interest.
If you just have basic heat transfer and pressure drop characteristics it is easy to calculate your performance for the intercooler or any onther heat exchanger, but that kind of calculation seams for most people that sell intercoolers to be science fiction
(01-07-2014, 02:56 AM)EDH_Performance(01-06-2014, 03:03 PM)Turbo manufacturer?I have no clue, sorry! But what about klracing.se?
(01-06-2014, 08:18 AM)EDH_Performance No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
klracing is most china intercooler but most significant all of those I have found have wrong measurement.
I need to fit both after, intercooler and radiator and the cooler after LP turbo need to to have connection from up to down to make the piping reasonably. and it will be at least 5" thick because of pressure losses, total area available is 500*780 and it need to be able to cool the boosted air of about 250kw and the heat from the cooling liquid for cooing the engine. Your looked quite thick there of my interest.
If you just have basic heat transfer and pressure drop characteristics it is easy to calculate your performance for the intercooler or any onther heat exchanger, but that kind of calculation seams for most people that sell intercoolers to be science fiction
(01-07-2014, 02:56 AM)EDH_Performance(01-06-2014, 03:03 PM)Turbo manufacturer?I have no clue, sorry! But what about klracing.se?
(01-06-2014, 08:18 AM)EDH_Performance No, bought it from USA...It is to be mounted on my 18 feet OM606 flat bottom dragster boat^^
02-23-2014, 05:46 AM
#295
(01-06-2014, 03:39 AM)EDH_Performance(01-03-2014, 03:49 PM)john(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Never heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
The problem with those rods are the upper part, they are very thin around the bushing...So the stretch when revving too high^^
The last picture with the turbos was wrong, this is how the needs to sit! had a few buddies in the workshop to plan and look for problems...All turbos are mounted to the engine block so all the pipe work can be done while the engine is on a enginestand
How did you deal with Oil pressure???
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2002. 09 Ssangyong Musso SUT
OM662STP + 7.5mm + TD06-25G with customized 84mm compressor(2.4Bar)
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2002. 12 Ssangyong Korando
OM662LA 2.9ltr + RS191 5.5mm stock
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(01-06-2014, 03:39 AM)EDH_Performance(01-03-2014, 03:49 PM)john(01-01-2014, 09:19 AM)EDH_Performance Not made of money, just have good acsess to cheap materials and have things laying around^^
The point of trippel turbo is to have full boost from very low rpm up to high rpm...And at the same time be one of a kind
The sten parner motor rods are shit and will be replaced with som beefy rods...Rods are under manufacturing
You will most defenetly be a one of
Never heard of anyone braking those rods but everyone says they are crap
The problem with those rods are the upper part, they are very thin around the bushing...So the stretch when revving too high^^
The last picture with the turbos was wrong, this is how the needs to sit! had a few buddies in the workshop to plan and look for problems...All turbos are mounted to the engine block so all the pipe work can be done while the engine is on a enginestand
How did you deal with Oil pressure???
-------------------------------------------
2002. 09 Ssangyong Musso SUT
OM662STP + 7.5mm + TD06-25G with customized 84mm compressor(2.4Bar)
-------------------------------------------
2002. 12 Ssangyong Korando
OM662LA 2.9ltr + RS191 5.5mm stock
-------------------------------------------
02-25-2014, 12:48 PM
#297
(02-24-2014, 10:37 PM)EDH_Performance Only one way to go, custom drysump system
Please take pictures
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-25-2014, 12:48 PM #297(02-24-2014, 10:37 PM)EDH_Performance Only one way to go, custom drysump system
Please take pictures
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
02-28-2014, 02:36 PM
#298
Can I ask what mounts and arms you're using, or what you were originally using to squeeze the 606 in? And what radiator are you using? And what's the depth of the intercooler?
Reason I ask is because i'm having trouble getting my engine in. Im using 602 arms but the gearbox is interfering with the tunnel and not allowing the engine to go further back.
Do you have the power steering connected? I didnt notice the pump, unless you've moved it? I can see this causing a problem with clearance, which is why you may have gotten rid of it altogether.
If I could direct your attention to this thread, please take a look and feel free to make a suggestion or two
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...8#pid61398
This post was last modified: 02-28-2014, 02:37 PM by hooblah.
Love the build! I'd love to attempt something crazy like this if I had the skill, time and space
Can I ask what mounts and arms you're using, or what you were originally using to squeeze the 606 in? And what radiator are you using? And what's the depth of the intercooler?
Reason I ask is because i'm having trouble getting my engine in. Im using 602 arms but the gearbox is interfering with the tunnel and not allowing the engine to go further back.
Do you have the power steering connected? I didnt notice the pump, unless you've moved it? I can see this causing a problem with clearance, which is why you may have gotten rid of it altogether.
If I could direct your attention to this thread, please take a look and feel free to make a suggestion or two
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/Thre...8#pid61398
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