OM606 pointers on building one.
OM606 pointers on building one.
06-22-2013, 04:57 AM
#1
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
just got done building a turbo gas engine(3liter 16psi,hx35,398rwhp,445ftlbs), but it doesnt suffice when you miss that diesel knock and whistle all the time.
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
06-22-2013, 01:59 PM
#2
(06-22-2013, 04:57 AM)Gearbound just got done building a turbo gas engine(3liter 16psi,hx35,398rwhp,445ftlbs), but it doesnt suffice when you miss that diesel knock and whistle all the time.engine will be fine, you will need exhaust manifold, turbo and modified injector pump.
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
(06-22-2013, 04:57 AM)Gearbound just got done building a turbo gas engine(3liter 16psi,hx35,398rwhp,445ftlbs), but it doesnt suffice when you miss that diesel knock and whistle all the time.engine will be fine, you will need exhaust manifold, turbo and modified injector pump.
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
06-22-2013, 02:07 PM
#3
(06-22-2013, 01:59 PM)mantahead(06-22-2013, 04:57 AM)Gearbound just got done building a turbo gas engine(3liter 16psi,hx35,398rwhp,445ftlbs), but it doesnt suffice when you miss that diesel knock and whistle all the time.engine will be fine, you will need exhaust manifold, turbo and modified injector pump.
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
I love that it's this simple! It's like owning a 2JZ...so you want 600whp? well all you need is this this and this and its done..
I remember when everyone at MB was saying how the 606 is junk and will never hold up compared tot the 603..
Duncansport
06-22-2013, 02:07 PM #3(06-22-2013, 01:59 PM)mantahead(06-22-2013, 04:57 AM)Gearbound just got done building a turbo gas engine(3liter 16psi,hx35,398rwhp,445ftlbs), but it doesnt suffice when you miss that diesel knock and whistle all the time.engine will be fine, you will need exhaust manifold, turbo and modified injector pump.
i want to build the om606 for 400hp or near it. ive been out of the diesel scene for quite some time, didnt know if there has been new discovers on more US parts readliy avalabile? and how can i go about getting 300-400hp from these motors? what kind of engine work?
I love that it's this simple! It's like owning a 2JZ...so you want 600whp? well all you need is this this and this and its done..
I remember when everyone at MB was saying how the 606 is junk and will never hold up compared tot the 603..
06-23-2013, 06:35 AM
#5
(06-22-2013, 10:29 PM)Gearbound Hmm 2jz is actually what I just built. Simple project really. So just slap a hx35 on and intercooler then where do I send the pump? Stock injectors? How about a manual transmission? I want to put this in my 86 300td
yea, standard injectors are fine, i use Dieselmeken on here for pumps.
you will need to do something about clutch.
(06-22-2013, 10:29 PM)Gearbound Hmm 2jz is actually what I just built. Simple project really. So just slap a hx35 on and intercooler then where do I send the pump? Stock injectors? How about a manual transmission? I want to put this in my 86 300td
yea, standard injectors are fine, i use Dieselmeken on here for pumps.
you will need to do something about clutch.
01-10-2014, 06:29 AM
#12
I don't plan on making it complicated right from the start. Just interested in what it takes and where can parts be found. I'm not sure of the engines capabilities in stock form. I'm looking for more build threads on them to see what others do and how it turns out.
EDH_Performance
01-10-2014, 06:57 AM #13the cyprus guys dynoed 600hp with stock engine and 180cc+garret turbo
01-10-2014, 07:46 AM
#15
(01-10-2014, 07:23 AM)Gearbound Measured at crank or chassis Dyno? Either way its still very impressive.
it must be on the flywheel...600 whp, then you need alot more fuel and hx52/hx55
EDH_Performance
01-10-2014, 07:46 AM #15(01-10-2014, 07:23 AM)Gearbound Measured at crank or chassis Dyno? Either way its still very impressive.
it must be on the flywheel...600 whp, then you need alot more fuel and hx52/hx55
01-12-2014, 03:16 PM
#16
(01-08-2014, 08:57 PM)Gearbound were can upgraded cams,springs,retainers,big end bearing be bought at or is it strong enough to turn 7k stock?
a local guy with om606NA and dieselmekens 8mm pushed the engine (by accident) to what he estimated to be 8000rpm
not funny to see this when taking the engine apart
![[Image: 1521517_10151915565353230_1699542924_n-500x666.jpg]](http://media.mbturbo.com/2014/01/1521517_10151915565353230_1699542924_n-500x666.jpg)
This post was last modified: 01-12-2014, 03:32 PM by swampmonkey.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-12-2014, 03:16 PM #16(01-08-2014, 08:57 PM)Gearbound were can upgraded cams,springs,retainers,big end bearing be bought at or is it strong enough to turn 7k stock?
a local guy with om606NA and dieselmekens 8mm pushed the engine (by accident) to what he estimated to be 8000rpm
not funny to see this when taking the engine apart
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-13-2014, 04:11 AM
#18
This is stock engine were talking about. Higher outputs will require other camshafts. Some rods and pistons would be a good investment also.
Stock valve springs can cope with 6k rpm. To rev 7k rpm you'll need tougher springs. We are currently building a om605 for 700hp, that's a 242cc Dieselmeken pump with a 7250rpm rev limiter. We also build a more moderate om604 with a 8mm Dieselmeken 180cc pump that we hope can deliver close to 400hp.
F-tune Performance
![[Image: V-band_om606.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/V-band_om606.jpg)
![[Image: GTX3582R.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GTX3582R.jpg)
![[Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]](http://www.f-tune.se/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg)
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
The general rule of thumb is a little more than 100hp/cylinder for the turbocharged om605/om606. Say 550hp for a om605 and close to 700hp in a om606. So 600whp will be doable in a om606.
This is stock engine were talking about. Higher outputs will require other camshafts. Some rods and pistons would be a good investment also.
Stock valve springs can cope with 6k rpm. To rev 7k rpm you'll need tougher springs. We are currently building a om605 for 700hp, that's a 242cc Dieselmeken pump with a 7250rpm rev limiter. We also build a more moderate om604 with a 8mm Dieselmeken 180cc pump that we hope can deliver close to 400hp.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-13-2014, 07:37 AM
#19
(01-12-2014, 11:26 PM)MFSuper90 Ouch, did he have any valve spring upgrades?
Or just stock?
stock...
apperantly he missed a gear,
gave it WOT and apperantly the IP didnt stop untill way to late...
Dont know if its a pump fault or actualy how it do work, but it makes one kinda worried, better make shure the gear will stick before giving the engine WOT or WOT in first gear.
will try to stick to the 5500rpm and rarely 6k.
but makes you wonder weather or not the revlimiter works properly on these modded pump (if he estimated that 8k correctly) but way over his "regular" 6k atleast.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-13-2014, 07:37 AM #19(01-12-2014, 11:26 PM)MFSuper90 Ouch, did he have any valve spring upgrades?
Or just stock?
stock...
apperantly he missed a gear,
gave it WOT and apperantly the IP didnt stop untill way to late...
Dont know if its a pump fault or actualy how it do work, but it makes one kinda worried, better make shure the gear will stick before giving the engine WOT or WOT in first gear.
will try to stick to the 5500rpm and rarely 6k.
but makes you wonder weather or not the revlimiter works properly on these modded pump (if he estimated that 8k correctly) but way over his "regular" 6k atleast.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-13-2014, 09:01 AM
#20
you just need a magnetic pick up and the wire for the stop solenoid and its possible to make it stop if you have low oil pressure also.
well its also possible to put a electronic over speed unit on the engine and set it so it shut down at 6100 rpm I use them all the time on gensets for offshore they are not so expensive compared with the repair costs.
you just need a magnetic pick up and the wire for the stop solenoid and its possible to make it stop if you have low oil pressure also.
01-13-2014, 12:18 PM
#21
(01-13-2014, 09:01 AM)hansendk well its also possible to put a electronic over speed unit on the engine and set it so it shut down at 6100 rpm I use them all the time on gensets for offshore they are not so expensive compared with the repair costs.
you just need a magnetic pick up and the wire for the stop solenoid and its possible to make it stop if you have low oil pressure also.
stop solenoid i already got, the question is if that will be sufficient to stop the reving in time...
the oilpart is probably sweet thou
(aswell as overheating protection
)
This post was last modified: 01-13-2014, 12:22 PM by swampmonkey.
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
swampmonkey
01-13-2014, 12:18 PM #21(01-13-2014, 09:01 AM)hansendk well its also possible to put a electronic over speed unit on the engine and set it so it shut down at 6100 rpm I use them all the time on gensets for offshore they are not so expensive compared with the repair costs.
you just need a magnetic pick up and the wire for the stop solenoid and its possible to make it stop if you have low oil pressure also.
stop solenoid i already got, the question is if that will be sufficient to stop the reving in time...
the oilpart is probably sweet thou
(aswell as overheating protection
)
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daily driver
w115 240d 72hp 3.07 rearend
w123 om602 turbo 200whp 7.5mm pump fivespeed 3.07 rearend
+ a few more.
mbturbo.com
01-13-2014, 04:52 PM
#23
(01-13-2014, 03:22 PM)erling66 It would be very interesting to see a build thread of your 604 project
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
If I just get the time a thread will come.
(01-13-2014, 03:22 PM)erling66 It would be very interesting to see a build thread of your 604 project
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-13-2014, 10:47 PM
#24
if it isn't fast enough that the engine stops the same way as if you turn the key you can also build in an air shut down valve but they are expensive to buy, so you have to fabricate your self to keep the price down
try and look here www.ecu-engine-controls.com they have all you can think off
if it isn't fast enough that the engine stops the same way as if you turn the key you can also build in an air shut down valve but they are expensive to buy, so you have to fabricate your self to keep the price down
01-14-2014, 06:15 PM
#26
So there might be some rods and pistons available soon =)
(01-14-2014, 12:53 AM)Gearbound So where can cams,springs,and rods be bought? Ebay has nothing for om606 parts besides stock parts
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
We are currently looking in to this for a record breaking +1000hp om606. If it's possible I don't know. But one thing is for sure. If you don't try you'll never know.
So there might be some rods and pistons available soon =)
(01-14-2014, 12:53 AM)Gearbound So where can cams,springs,and rods be bought? Ebay has nothing for om606 parts besides stock parts
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
01-15-2014, 11:13 AM
#28
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
I believe 1000hp is a goal that can be reached. It might take some custom parts and a good bit of money, but I think it can be done
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
01-15-2014, 01:48 PM
#29
1980 Mercedes Benz 300GD (Gelandewagen)
OM617 n/a
4-speed manual
Front/Rear hydraulic lockers
I believe I read on a translated Finnish site that some of the hardcore 606 tuners are using aftermarket valve train components for the 2JZ-GTE... so if that's true, you already have a good knowledge base. Sorry, I can't find it at the moment.
1980 Mercedes Benz 300GD (Gelandewagen)
OM617 n/a
4-speed manual
Front/Rear hydraulic lockers
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