1991 300D
1991 300D
09-11-2013, 07:03 PM
#51
(09-11-2013, 03:51 PM)Jetmugg Very cool project. I have an OM602 turbo in a 190D.
I would like to have Dieselmeken rework my pump in the near future. I had him/them do a VW injection pump for me, and it is top notch.
The worst part is the shipping cost to and from Sweden, however. For my VW pump, Goran sourced a pump for me over there, built it, and shipped it to the USA.
It was cheaper for him to find a donor pump in Sweden than it was to ship my pump from the USA to Sweden.
How was the shipping cost for your 602 pump to and from the USA to Sweden?
Steve.
So shipper was'nt horrible from here. I used the USPS and it was around $100. Best of it was there in less then 4 days
Duncansport
09-11-2013, 07:03 PM #51(09-11-2013, 03:51 PM)Jetmugg Very cool project. I have an OM602 turbo in a 190D.
I would like to have Dieselmeken rework my pump in the near future. I had him/them do a VW injection pump for me, and it is top notch.
The worst part is the shipping cost to and from Sweden, however. For my VW pump, Goran sourced a pump for me over there, built it, and shipped it to the USA.
It was cheaper for him to find a donor pump in Sweden than it was to ship my pump from the USA to Sweden.
How was the shipping cost for your 602 pump to and from the USA to Sweden?
Steve.
So shipper was'nt horrible from here. I used the USPS and it was around $100. Best of it was there in less then 4 days
09-17-2013, 11:24 AM
#54
(09-11-2013, 11:56 AM)raysorenson Did you go with a red plate? What disc?
Clutchnet's website stinks, so dont rely on their red, blue purple listings. Just call them, they always need to make the stuff from OE parts or full custom.
I sent them a 16V pressure plate and disc that they are modifying.They are building a custom friction disc with a HD organic material, don't get caught up in Kevlar or carbon Kevlar as they do not last long and offer only marginal holding power over HD organic, also they glaze very easly is slipped to much. I ran a 6 puk on my old Starion and it held great but was mostly undrivable, so hopefully i don't need to go that route..
Duncansport
09-17-2013, 11:24 AM #54(09-11-2013, 11:56 AM)raysorenson Did you go with a red plate? What disc?
Clutchnet's website stinks, so dont rely on their red, blue purple listings. Just call them, they always need to make the stuff from OE parts or full custom.
I sent them a 16V pressure plate and disc that they are modifying.They are building a custom friction disc with a HD organic material, don't get caught up in Kevlar or carbon Kevlar as they do not last long and offer only marginal holding power over HD organic, also they glaze very easly is slipped to much. I ran a 6 puk on my old Starion and it held great but was mostly undrivable, so hopefully i don't need to go that route..
09-23-2013, 10:54 AM
#55
(09-15-2013, 05:32 PM)raysorenson Care to share the wire diameter of these springs?
Rear is 14mm
Front is 14.5mm
Duncansport
09-23-2013, 10:54 AM #55(09-15-2013, 05:32 PM)raysorenson Care to share the wire diameter of these springs?
Rear is 14mm
Front is 14.5mm
10-24-2013, 07:22 PM
#56
For those who follow you may have know my car clattered to an end the other night. Brand new valve broke at the top.... Hence my search for a 605 now.
Duncansport
10-24-2013, 07:22 PM #56:::SIGH::::
For those who follow you may have know my car clattered to an end the other night. Brand new valve broke at the top.... Hence my search for a 605 now.
10-24-2013, 09:39 PM
#58
Any guesses as to the cause?
raysorenson
10-24-2013, 09:39 PM #58I'm following. I was gonna do all your valvetrain mods to my motor :-(
Any guesses as to the cause?
10-25-2013, 09:23 AM
#59
(10-24-2013, 09:39 PM)raysorenson I'm following. I was gonna do all your valvetrain mods to my motor :-(
Any guesses as to the cause?
Shitty AE (Federal Mogul) valves. No reason that should have happened to a valve. No sing of overheating, the car doesn't see much time at 6000RPM. The M103 springs are only 20% stiffer then the OM602 springs so i don't believe that there is to much spring tension on them. Besides M103's use larger valves ( read heavier ) and rev higher with the same keepers, retainers ect.
Duncansport
10-25-2013, 09:23 AM #59(10-24-2013, 09:39 PM)raysorenson I'm following. I was gonna do all your valvetrain mods to my motor :-(
Any guesses as to the cause?
Shitty AE (Federal Mogul) valves. No reason that should have happened to a valve. No sing of overheating, the car doesn't see much time at 6000RPM. The M103 springs are only 20% stiffer then the OM602 springs so i don't believe that there is to much spring tension on them. Besides M103's use larger valves ( read heavier ) and rev higher with the same keepers, retainers ect.
10-25-2013, 09:38 AM
#60
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
10-25-2013, 09:38 AM #60That sucks Can OEM valves be obtained from Mercedes? Is the head salvageable the block looks to be ok minus one piston
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
10-25-2013, 10:03 AM
#61
(10-25-2013, 09:38 AM)willbhere4u That sucks Can OEM valves be obtained from Mercedes? Is the head salvageable the block looks to be ok minus one piston
Oh yeah OE valves are in stock in NJ, head the block has a big dent in it..so it's dead. I would need to machine it, press in 1 or 5 liners, new pistons ect... then maybe try to fix the cylinder head. At that point it's cheaper to get a used engine. Pistons are really pricey,
Duncansport
10-25-2013, 10:03 AM #61(10-25-2013, 09:38 AM)willbhere4u That sucks Can OEM valves be obtained from Mercedes? Is the head salvageable the block looks to be ok minus one piston
Oh yeah OE valves are in stock in NJ, head the block has a big dent in it..so it's dead. I would need to machine it, press in 1 or 5 liners, new pistons ect... then maybe try to fix the cylinder head. At that point it's cheaper to get a used engine. Pistons are really pricey,
12-20-2013, 03:17 PM
#63
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
12-20-2013, 03:17 PM #63Assuming the 602 and 606 have the same bell pattern can I have your old block and crank for measurements? I only need the rear few inches of block and crank to get it probed out.
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
12-20-2013, 03:59 PM
#64
(12-20-2013, 03:17 PM)Simpler=Better Assuming the 602 and 606 have the same bell pattern can I have your old block and crank for measurements? I only need the rear few inches of block and crank to get it probed out.
Sure you can have it. The 601,602,603,604,605,606 M111, M102, M103 and M104 all have the same bolt pattern bell housing.
Duncansport
12-20-2013, 03:59 PM #64(12-20-2013, 03:17 PM)Simpler=Better Assuming the 602 and 606 have the same bell pattern can I have your old block and crank for measurements? I only need the rear few inches of block and crank to get it probed out.
Sure you can have it. The 601,602,603,604,605,606 M111, M102, M103 and M104 all have the same bolt pattern bell housing.
01-03-2014, 09:10 AM
#65
Duncansport
01-03-2014, 09:10 AM #65Got the 717.430 all torn down and rebuilt. New syncro's, MB gasket kit and new counter shaft and main shaft bearings.
01-23-2014, 03:48 PM
#68
This post was last modified: 01-23-2014, 03:51 PM by HaavardPYA.
HaavardPYA
01-23-2014, 03:48 PM #68What gauge are you using? Both egt, boost and back pressure? 52mm? Need link
01-23-2014, 04:13 PM
#69
(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
Awesome!
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
01-23-2014, 04:13 PM #69(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
Awesome!
Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
01-23-2014, 06:31 PM
#71
(01-23-2014, 03:48 PM)HaavardPYA What gauge are you using? Both egt, boost and back pressure? 52mm? Need link
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/3in1-dies...auges.aspx
Duncansport
01-23-2014, 06:31 PM #71(01-23-2014, 03:48 PM)HaavardPYA What gauge are you using? Both egt, boost and back pressure? 52mm? Need link
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/3in1-dies...auges.aspx
01-24-2014, 08:30 AM
#72
(01-23-2014, 05:51 PM)Gearbound Just being nosey but how much did the 605 total come out too? Id love to put one in a 190 16v chassis
Bought and shipped it was around 900. Lots of little dumb fees along the way
Duncansport
01-24-2014, 08:30 AM #72(01-23-2014, 05:51 PM)Gearbound Just being nosey but how much did the 605 total come out too? Id love to put one in a 190 16v chassis
Bought and shipped it was around 900. Lots of little dumb fees along the way
01-24-2014, 09:33 AM
#73
(01-23-2014, 06:31 PM)Duncansport(01-23-2014, 03:48 PM)HaavardPYA What gauge are you using? Both egt, boost and back pressure? 52mm? Need link
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/3in1-dies...auges.aspx
Thank you!
HaavardPYA
01-24-2014, 09:33 AM #73(01-23-2014, 06:31 PM)Duncansport(01-23-2014, 03:48 PM)HaavardPYA What gauge are you using? Both egt, boost and back pressure? 52mm? Need link
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/3in1-dies...auges.aspx
Thank you!
01-24-2014, 11:52 AM
#74
(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
I am very curioius what you are gonna do with the oilpump
Longer chain?
EDH_Performance
01-24-2014, 11:52 AM #74(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
I am very curioius what you are gonna do with the oilpump
Longer chain?
01-24-2014, 12:27 PM
#75
(01-24-2014, 11:52 AM)EDH_Performance(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
I am very curioius what you are gonna do with the oilpump
Yeah. Same type of chain as a saab b234, I'll add a link or so.
Duncansport
01-24-2014, 12:27 PM #75(01-24-2014, 11:52 AM)EDH_Performance(01-23-2014, 03:39 PM)Duncansport 605 Girdle being cut this week.
I am very curioius what you are gonna do with the oilpump
Yeah. Same type of chain as a saab b234, I'll add a link or so.
01-24-2014, 01:55 PM
#77
(01-24-2014, 01:30 PM)Gearbound Who do i need to contact to get a 605? and the cost was $900 total to your shop?
I hooked up with a member on here JGS600.. He was very helpful. If your serious PM me and i can explain all the work needed, as there is a lot to be done.
This post was last modified: 01-24-2014, 02:08 PM by Duncansport.
Duncansport
01-24-2014, 01:55 PM #77(01-24-2014, 01:30 PM)Gearbound Who do i need to contact to get a 605? and the cost was $900 total to your shop?
I hooked up with a member on here JGS600.. He was very helpful. If your serious PM me and i can explain all the work needed, as there is a lot to be done.
01-24-2014, 03:35 PM
#78
http://www.deves.com/devesrings/cars_MERCEDES_BENZ.php
I just bought a set of Deves rings here is the link. $235 I am putting them in a 95 606. Here is a link
http://www.deves.com/devesrings/cars_MERCEDES_BENZ.php
01-24-2014, 03:49 PM
#79
(01-24-2014, 03:35 PM)95e300dez I just bought a set of Deves rings here is the link. $235 I am putting them in a 95 606. Here is a link
http://www.deves.com/devesrings/cars_MERCEDES_BENZ.php
Nice, that's a great price! I just got a set of Gotez's for $230. Sounds like that price is pretty good, I've heard great things about Deves rings in motorcycles.
Duncansport
01-24-2014, 03:49 PM #79(01-24-2014, 03:35 PM)95e300dez I just bought a set of Deves rings here is the link. $235 I am putting them in a 95 606. Here is a link
http://www.deves.com/devesrings/cars_MERCEDES_BENZ.php
Nice, that's a great price! I just got a set of Gotez's for $230. Sounds like that price is pretty good, I've heard great things about Deves rings in motorcycles.
04-15-2014, 07:26 PM
#82
But here i have modified the oil pump and oil pan (due to the girdle)
Turned down some Ford modular spring seats to fit the head
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04-15-2014, 07:26 PM #82So it's been a slow go here, waiting for the machine shop, parts , etc..
But here i have modified the oil pump and oil pan (due to the girdle)
Turned down some Ford modular spring seats to fit the head
Attached Files
Image(s)
05-06-2014, 07:36 PM
#83
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
05-06-2014, 07:36 PM #83How's the 605 coming?
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
05-07-2014, 07:37 AM
#84
(05-06-2014, 07:36 PM)led-panzer How's the 605 coming?
Good, slow but good. the bottom end is all set. Took a bit of time to modify the oil pump, drive chain, oil pan and get the oil jets installed and adjusted.
Waiting on the cylinder head, and still trying to buy a flange from KKD (which is proving very difficult ) i may just make my own flange and offer up the drawing.
Duncansport
05-07-2014, 07:37 AM #84(05-06-2014, 07:36 PM)led-panzer How's the 605 coming?
Good, slow but good. the bottom end is all set. Took a bit of time to modify the oil pump, drive chain, oil pan and get the oil jets installed and adjusted.
Waiting on the cylinder head, and still trying to buy a flange from KKD (which is proving very difficult ) i may just make my own flange and offer up the drawing.
11-14-2014, 07:04 PM
#85
Ive also finished building my merge collector.
Duncansport
11-14-2014, 07:04 PM #85Well its been forever getting my cylinder head done as the exhaust valves were on back order from M-B Germany. Heads done with new guides, seats, valves, springs, lifters, welded cam. The engine is 98% back together and should start next week. Ill get some pictures up soon.
Ive also finished building my merge collector.
11-14-2014, 07:10 PM
#86
Good to hear of progress on this beast. It was already pretty impressive with shitty trans and a 602.
raysorenson
11-14-2014, 07:10 PM #86Was the cam welded for a regrind w/same base circle or just to weld the gear to the shaft?
Good to hear of progress on this beast. It was already pretty impressive with shitty trans and a 602.
11-15-2014, 03:57 PM
#87
(11-14-2014, 07:10 PM)raysorenson Was the cam welded for a regrind w/same base circle or just to weld the gear to the shaft?I welded it due to the know slippage. And with adding double the spring pressure and a 1700 rpm rise in rev limit i didn't want it to slip on the cam
Good to hear of progress on this beast. It was already pretty impressive with shitty trans and a 602.
Duncansport
11-15-2014, 03:57 PM #87(11-14-2014, 07:10 PM)raysorenson Was the cam welded for a regrind w/same base circle or just to weld the gear to the shaft?I welded it due to the know slippage. And with adding double the spring pressure and a 1700 rpm rise in rev limit i didn't want it to slip on the cam
Good to hear of progress on this beast. It was already pretty impressive with shitty trans and a 602.
11-17-2014, 07:32 PM
#88
not sure if this will work for you, had the first start up today...:-)
Duncansport
11-17-2014, 07:32 PM #88https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=102...=2&theater
not sure if this will work for you, had the first start up today...:-)
11-18-2014, 04:34 PM
#89
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
Link doesn't work!
1977 300D for parts? Just a pile of rust but still runs!
1984 190D 2.2 - gone to better home
1987 Dodge Maxivan with OM603 and Goran’s 7.5 backroads terror
1987 300TD - tinker toy
1989 300TE - parts
1991 300TE - backyards decor
1991 300TD - Barrote’s 7.5
1992 300TD - semi-STD(Goran modified 7.5 ip but still with factory turbo+at)
1998 E300TD - dd with DSL1 now
1998 ML320 - snow ride
2014 Sprinter 2500 - Malone’s tune + pedal box
11-23-2014, 06:19 PM
#90
give that a try folks.
Got a lot done this weekend, had to make a transmission cross member, lengthen the shift rods, install the shifter, built new wiring harness as well as the other related wiring and vacuum lines all incorporated into into one. Got the assembly installed in the car. Started striping parts off the old 400E loaner car we had.
Duncansport
11-23-2014, 06:19 PM #90http://youtu.be/pm8cFG7FPpM
give that a try folks.
Got a lot done this weekend, had to make a transmission cross member, lengthen the shift rods, install the shifter, built new wiring harness as well as the other related wiring and vacuum lines all incorporated into into one. Got the assembly installed in the car. Started striping parts off the old 400E loaner car we had.
02-12-2015, 12:28 PM
#94
Forum attachment pics don't work for me using Chrome. I have to left click ->open image in new tab. Off-site pics using the img code seem to work fine.
raysorenson
02-12-2015, 12:28 PM #94The manifold work looks great. Are you going to have to rotate that flange?
Forum attachment pics don't work for me using Chrome. I have to left click ->open image in new tab. Off-site pics using the img code seem to work fine.
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