led-panzer's 1984 300D 4-speed
led-panzer's 1984 300D 4-speed
I'm back!
No longer a machinist, new job, house, and car.
My '85 is at the end of its life, my hack bodywork is coming apart and it looks awful. Engine is still great but the tranny is shot. Not worth fixing.
Anyway, I still love these cars, been looking for a good one and found one down in Columbus rust free and already converted to a 4-speed. Went and bought it, then drove it home. What a white knuckle ride it ended up being. Fuel issue somewhere, it wouldn't idle. Alternator died on me halfway through, I made the last 50 miles of the trip in the dark with no headlights, taillights, ect. Miracle that I didn't get pulled over.
Couple of dents to work out, a few very tiny rust bubbles. Floors are completely solid, no rust on the underside at all. Plans are to get it running properly, get it looking good, then to make it go fast. I'm going to swap most of the interior from the '85, and my rims + shocks.
First things first, there is a lot of neglected maintenance to get caught up on. Parts ordered already and on their way. The PO ran his own biodiesel, and the very rough/won't idle leads me to believe that the fuel system is probably dirty.
On the positive side, the car is fun to drive with the manual trans, more peppy and responsive.
More to come!
WELCOME BACK !
Thanks guys.
I haven't worked on a car in a year, i forgot how rewarding it feels, especially when it's not your daily driver and you're under the gun to get it finished so you have a car to drive
Started today with a blank canvas
And here's how I left it
I even took a few extra minutes and put my momo steering wheel and wood shift knob in
Valve adjustment, removed the glow plugs and injectors. Cleaned up the linkages and vacuum system a bit, painted the valve cover. Removed EGR, ALDA, and air cleaner. At this point I'm just waiting on parts to come in. The linkage bushing is shot, motor mounts are collapsed into the frame. I pulled my injectors out of the '85 and cleaned them up, they should still be good, definitely better than what I took out, the originals are gunked.
Fuel level sender is bad, I tried to get the one out of the 85 to no avail. Channel locks wouldn't work and I don't have a socket big enough. I want to pull the original to see what it looks like to determine how the fuel tank looks (sludge or no).
Pulled the instrument cluster to fix the odometer.
If you want to buy the 46mm socket, there's a guy on Ebay selling 1 13/16" Gearhead sockets shipped for around $12 bucks. The standard size works fine for 46mm and not a lot of play. I had to yank a fuel sender and the channel locks and mega vice gribs started to chew up the flange.
Thanks Mark, it's in the mail. Battery was dead wouldn't charge, swapped for the 85's. Odometer fixed, oil change, linkage very simplified and installed.
Anyone have a spring compressor they would be willing to let me rent? The front end of this thing is 5 feet in the air
I never took notice that you are in Cleveland. During school I am in Wooster at OSU ATI. Not too far from Cleveland
Hey, that's close enough to meet up potentially, cool. One I get mine done we can have a battle of the holsets
(05-03-2014, 08:03 PM)led-panzer Hey, that's close enough to meet up potentially, cool. One I get mine done we can have a battle of the holsets
(05-03-2014, 08:03 PM)led-panzer Hey, that's close enough to meet up potentially, cool. One I get mine done we can have a battle of the holsets
(05-03-2014, 08:03 PM)led-panzer Hey, that's close enough to meet up potentially, cool. One I get mine done we can have a battle of the holsets
(05-03-2014, 08:03 PM)led-panzer Hey, that's close enough to meet up potentially, cool. One I get mine done we can have a battle of the holsets
I forgot to mention, Check your clutch master and slave cylinders. Dont want to be stuck in the middle of the road!
Shifter boot is in the mail. Along with a PILE of other parts. This hobby is a sickness.
So in waiting for my parts to come in I got tinker-itis real bad. Went out today with the intention of just timing the pump, resulted in pulling it and making quite a few adjustments.
3 turns torque control
Max RPM screw all the way in without its lock nut
Rack limiter removed
1/4 turn on the idle gov
The last one I did partly because of my adjustments and partly because the idle was quite low to begin with. If you let off the throttle quickly it would die, and the idle was about 500rpm.
I have to wait till my injector heat shields and glow plugs come in before I can start it. I did get it timed too for what it's worth. Time will tell if she will start/idle/run at all
Next time I have the back off my pump, its going to get a longer Max rpm screw put in it
I bet this thing will feel pretty fast with that 4 speed behind it! Hopefully the clutch holds up...
New alternator installed, along with new drive belts, injectors and glow plugs. In trying to start it I may have discovered another problem. I think the tank strainer/fuel tank is clogged up, trying to prime the system I can't draw any fuel from the tank with the primer pump.
It's been smooth sailing and finally I hit a problem
Can you blow into the hose? Also, make sure the supply/return hoses didn't get reversed on accident, had that problem in my w116 and it didn't really want to run like that lol
(05-07-2014, 02:35 PM)sassparilla_kid Can you blow into the hose? Also, make sure the supply/return hoses didn't get reversed on accident, had that problem in my w116 and it didn't really want to run like that lol
(05-07-2014, 02:35 PM)sassparilla_kid Can you blow into the hose? Also, make sure the supply/return hoses didn't get reversed on accident, had that problem in my w116 and it didn't really want to run like that lol
When I cleaned the tank on my w116 I just pulled it out, hosed it out really good, let it sit in the sun for a while to help it dry, sloshed a little of the turpentine like substance around it that came out, let it sit in the sun some more, put back in car and added fuel and some fuel stabilizer. Bam ran great afterwards, still fires up with a fresh battery after months of sitting
I dropped the tank. Sure enough there's an inch thick layer of nasty stuff in the bottom.
I scraped out what i could, I've got it soaking in mineral spirits. The fuel level sender literally fell apart when I took it out. Going to flush the lines, bought all new rubber lines and obviously all new filters and tank screen.
I need help with this spring compressor. After i filed the FUCKING spring perch holes to get the thing in there, now it jams against the bottom perch and I can't get the spring out. What am I doing wrong?
I'd add some algae killer additive the first time or two you fill it up to make sure nothing grows in that nice clean tank!
(05-08-2014, 06:28 PM)sassparilla_kid I'd add some algae killer additive the first time or two you fill it up to make sure nothing grows in that nice clean tank!
(05-08-2014, 06:28 PM)sassparilla_kid I'd add some algae killer additive the first time or two you fill it up to make sure nothing grows in that nice clean tank!
(05-08-2014, 08:15 PM)led-panzer(05-08-2014, 06:28 PM)sassparilla_kid I'd add some algae killer additive the first time or two you fill it up to make sure nothing grows in that nice clean tank!
For sure. It's not a terrible job to pull the tank but it isn't something I want to do again.
Ok so I got the springs out. the one that was wedged I pried it out with a shovel :roll eyes:
I cut 2 coils. Wondering if I should have cut another coil, or maybe another 1/2. The car does sit remarkably lower, and I still have about 5 inches from the oil pan to the ground.
Thoughts?
(05-08-2014, 08:15 PM)led-panzer(05-08-2014, 06:28 PM)sassparilla_kid I'd add some algae killer additive the first time or two you fill it up to make sure nothing grows in that nice clean tank!
For sure. It's not a terrible job to pull the tank but it isn't something I want to do again.
Ok so I got the springs out. the one that was wedged I pried it out with a shovel :roll eyes:
I cut 2 coils. Wondering if I should have cut another coil, or maybe another 1/2. The car does sit remarkably lower, and I still have about 5 inches from the oil pan to the ground.
Thoughts?
I kinda like the look of them lowered, but then again I don't wanna scrape my undercarriage on everything in southern ohio...
I am at stock height and my 3" pipe still drags every now and then going into certain driveways
(05-10-2014, 11:35 AM)MFSuper90 I kinda like the look of them lowered, but then again I don't wanna scrape my undercarriage on everything in southern ohio...
I am at stock height and my 3" pipe still drags every now and then going into certain driveways
(05-10-2014, 11:35 AM)MFSuper90 I kinda like the look of them lowered, but then again I don't wanna scrape my undercarriage on everything in southern ohio...
I am at stock height and my 3" pipe still drags every now and then going into certain driveways
Not really, if you move the bracket that you are talking about it would have to kink it going to the turbo for it to move.
The guy that did my exhaust did a pretty shitty job tho, if I had it redone by someone that knew what the heck they were doing, it would probably be a little better.
Hey MF, what did your exhaust run you? 3" is one of my future plans
VERY productive day. I abandoned the tank with all the sludge in it, realized I had a perfectly clean tank sitting in the 85. Yanked it out and put it in the 84. The exciting way - with it still 1/3 full of fuel. New tank screen and fuel lines. I was literally covered in diesel.
After getting that together I was still unable to draw any fuel from the tank. The only thing left that hadn't been cleaned out or replaced was the lift pump. Swapped for the 85's and bingo we have fuel. Lift pump probably was the source of the original problem but Im still glad I swapped out that dirty fuel tank.
I redid the front springs and cut another half coil. Fronts are now perfect. Did the rears, and put in new rear shocks and metal sway bar links. Cut 1.5 coils from the rear which is a little too much. I'll have to either put thicker pads in or pound some spring blocks in there to bring it up a little bit.
I got the fuel system primed, battery charged and got it started. I still need to adjust the vertical throttle stop, I think there is a wearing in period with the IP when you make an adjustment. When it first fired up it wouldn't idle, I had backed off the vertical throttle stop 5 turns. Turned it CW till it would idle, return to idle was only slightly slower.
Took it for a drive. I didn't want to push it too hard being I don't have gauges in yet. Definite difference in acceleration and revving. It will shoot right up to 5000 rpm. My 85 you have to ask it politely to go past 3k. Not quite as fast as my Mini but we're getting there.
So once it was warmed up the return to idle began to take longer and longer. So I need to back off the vertical throttle stop some more, and I hope it will idle when I do. If not ill have to pull the pump again and adjust the idle gov.
We're getting there!
Guy charged me $120 I believe, but id pay twice that just to get it done right. AND its only from the downpipe back, so nothing hard or fancy about it. I am about to reweld some hangers on it, because I am thinking a 3" to 3.5" polished stainless turndown will look pretty badass
Those rims looks awesome, I really need to get some tires and get my rims on my car.
On a side note, did new shocks raise your ride height? I have noticed mine is slightly lower on one side of the rear then the other, and wondered if it could use shocks. Still rides fine tho
Thanks! Yes that would look good, my plan is a polished 3.5" slant cut tip.
The next step is turbo and intercooler. I have an A/A intercooler I'm going to shoehorn in front of the radiator and a Holset HE341
I "frenched" the euros and blacked out the grill.
Here is a side by side comparison of when I got it and now. (at the same shitty angle)
It now will idle and return to idle when revved. Its like it had to wear into position inside the pump. The idle even when hot is very rough. The only thing I can think of that I haven't done is the rack damper bolt. So thats the next thing I'll try. Need to get the engine and trans mounts in too.
My engine kind of "hunts" at idle as well.
Blacking out the grill looks great! One of my favorite easy mods to my car also
For some reason tho, I like the old H4 style headlights, but the Euros still look good!
I think your car would look pretty darn good with some tint on the windows, I just got mine done a couple weeks ago.
(05-14-2014, 06:36 PM)MFSuper90 My engine kind of "hunts" at idle as well.
Blacking out the grill looks great! One of my favorite easy mods to my car also
For some reason tho, I like the old H4 style headlights, but the Euros still look good!
I think your car would look pretty darn good with some tint on the windows, I just got mine done a couple weeks ago.
(05-14-2014, 06:36 PM)MFSuper90 My engine kind of "hunts" at idle as well.
Blacking out the grill looks great! One of my favorite easy mods to my car also
For some reason tho, I like the old H4 style headlights, but the Euros still look good!
I think your car would look pretty darn good with some tint on the windows, I just got mine done a couple weeks ago.
damn man, Simple things and you made this car looks great.
What did you do to "french" the head lights?
(05-15-2014, 09:34 AM)Purplecomputer damn man, Simple things and you made this car looks great.
What did you do to "french" the head lights?
(05-15-2014, 09:34 AM)Purplecomputer damn man, Simple things and you made this car looks great.
What did you do to "french" the head lights?
You don't think that he341 will be too big? that's a pretty big charger for our little om617s...
(05-15-2014, 02:39 PM)MFSuper90 You don't think that he341 will be too big? that's a pretty big charger for our little om617s...
(05-15-2014, 02:39 PM)MFSuper90 You don't think that he341 will be too big? that's a pretty big charger for our little om617s...
(05-15-2014, 02:48 PM)led-panzerHonestly, the feeling of a turbo spooling and throwing you back in the seat when it lights is better than instant spool off the line. Just for the cool factor(05-15-2014, 02:39 PM)MFSuper90 You don't think that he341 will be too big? that's a pretty big charger for our little om617s...
Oh absolutely it's big. But it's basically the same as an hy35. Reading posts by dieselboy and watching his videos convinced me. And once I throw a 7.5 or 8mm pump on there I'll already have enough turbo to burn the fuel.
I've experienced the instant spool VNT, I want to know what top end feels like
(05-15-2014, 02:48 PM)led-panzerHonestly, the feeling of a turbo spooling and throwing you back in the seat when it lights is better than instant spool off the line. Just for the cool factor(05-15-2014, 02:39 PM)MFSuper90 You don't think that he341 will be too big? that's a pretty big charger for our little om617s...
Oh absolutely it's big. But it's basically the same as an hy35. Reading posts by dieselboy and watching his videos convinced me. And once I throw a 7.5 or 8mm pump on there I'll already have enough turbo to burn the fuel.
I've experienced the instant spool VNT, I want to know what top end feels like
Operation Holset has commenced.
The intercooler I bought is too big. Shopping around for a slightly smaller one. Contemplating going with an aluminum radiator ala Greezer/lgreely83.
Removing the turbo and manifold was truly awful. I'm done today
(05-17-2014, 04:19 PM)led-panzer Operation Holset has commenced.
The intercooler I bought is too big. Shopping around for a slightly smaller one. Contemplating going with an aluminum radiator ala Greezer/lgreely83.
Removing the turbo and manifold was truly awful. I'm done today
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-17-2014, 04:19 PM)led-panzer Operation Holset has commenced.
The intercooler I bought is too big. Shopping around for a slightly smaller one. Contemplating going with an aluminum radiator ala Greezer/lgreely83.
Removing the turbo and manifold was truly awful. I'm done today
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzerHahahah(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzerHahahah(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-19-2014, 10:11 AM)Simpler=Better(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzerHahahah(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
Is that a 351? If dudes can spool HX35s that beast should be A-OK
(05-19-2014, 10:11 AM)Simpler=Better(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzerHahahah(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
Is that a 351? If dudes can spool HX35s that beast should be A-OK
Just to show possibilities, if you wanted to run this turbo without an intercooler you could plumb it something like this:
I briefly considered running it that way but decided to go full hog.
Waiting on my intercooler and plumbing to get here.
I've been putting off the engine mounts, for some reason I just knew they were going to suck. Well I was right. The 8mm allen bolts BOTH stripped on me. So I tried to just take the engine mount arm off but it won't come off with the mount still attached.
Tried cutting it off, twisting it, hack saw, brute strength, nothing. I was considering breaking the aluminum mount in half and getting new ones, but decided to walk away today. I'll try again tomorrow. Only way I see it is to drill the heads off.
(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzer(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
(05-19-2014, 02:08 PM)led-panzer ....
I've been putting off the engine mounts, for some reason I just knew they were going to suck. Well I was right. The 8mm allen bolts BOTH stripped on me. So I tried to just take the engine mount arm off but it won't come off with the mount still attached.
Tried cutting it off, twisting it, hack saw, brute strength, nothing. I was considering breaking the aluminum mount in half and getting new ones, but decided to walk away today. I'll try again tomorrow. Only way I see it is to drill the heads off.
(05-19-2014, 10:03 AM)led-panzer(05-19-2014, 08:42 AM)Simpler=Better VRRRRRRRRRR PSSSSSHHHHH
(05-19-2014, 09:42 AM)lgreeley83 Can't wait to see the intercooler. If I get a job soon I will follow suit.
Working on it. To make it fit I had to remove the A/C and cut one 3" hole behind the drivers headlight. Price of progress
This is the intercooler I plan to use:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/330510651528?txnId=986584741014
(05-19-2014, 02:08 PM)led-panzer ....
I've been putting off the engine mounts, for some reason I just knew they were going to suck. Well I was right. The 8mm allen bolts BOTH stripped on me. So I tried to just take the engine mount arm off but it won't come off with the mount still attached.
Tried cutting it off, twisting it, hack saw, brute strength, nothing. I was considering breaking the aluminum mount in half and getting new ones, but decided to walk away today. I'll try again tomorrow. Only way I see it is to drill the heads off.
You cant get one of those socket looking easy-outs over the head of the allen bolt?
If anything even starts to strip on me, I always heat them up with a torch and them cool it off with water. Except for women, they don't like that too much.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Cut the rubber out with a knife!
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
I tried man. Knife and hack saw. Those things can't hold the fuckin engine up but they are very tough.
If I still had a machine shop at my disposal I might try to fabricate my way out of the problem, make new arms and use different (better) rubber mounts.
(05-19-2014, 07:16 PM)led-panzer I tried man. Knife and hack saw. Those things can't hold the fuckin engine up but they are very tough.
If I still had a machine shop at my disposal I might try to fabricate my way out of the problem, make new arms and use different (better) rubber mounts.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
(05-19-2014, 07:16 PM)led-panzer I tried man. Knife and hack saw. Those things can't hold the fuckin engine up but they are very tough.
If I still had a machine shop at my disposal I might try to fabricate my way out of the problem, make new arms and use different (better) rubber mounts.
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
My intercooler came in. Too small. If I'm going to do this it has to be done right the first time.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221198524158?ssP...1439.l2649
The above is the intercooler I'm going to try next. The outlets have to be on the bottom to work, no room to connect on the sides.
Lawdy lawdy
FINALLY found the perfect one!
Thinking about my idle problem, I think my IP is bad. Car won't start unless you "give it gas" while cranking and the idle is very rough with timing spot on. The lift pump was bad, and coupled with my slugged tank I think the "biodiesel" killed the IP too.
I've decided to install my M pump. Stock elements for now but all I have to do is pull the pump when I'm ready to ship it to dieselmeken.
Forced's instructions say to make identical turns to the coarse idle screw when you adjust the full load screw. Im thinking that the logic there is similar to the backing off the idle screw when adjusting the torque control in the MW, which is proven to be wrong.
I will try adjusting the full load without touching the idle screws and see if it works.