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How to: fuel pressure regulatot?

 
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Sami/B
K26-2

25
02-13-2014, 04:28 PM #1
i'm building a om606.96x with a 8mm 220cc dieselmeken IP.
According to Göran, it needs to be fed with 1bar at idle and 3bar att max rev.

How do i do that?
how do you guys run your pre-pump(s)?
Sami/B
02-13-2014, 04:28 PM #1

i'm building a om606.96x with a 8mm 220cc dieselmeken IP.
According to Göran, it needs to be fed with 1bar at idle and 3bar att max rev.

How do i do that?
how do you guys run your pre-pump(s)?

Simpler=Better
PORTED HEAD

2,127
02-14-2014, 10:13 AM #2
I think those are the minimum pressures-so if you setup a fuel pump that always supplied 3.5bar you would probably be okay. I'm not an expert but just guessing.

Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?
Simpler=Better
02-14-2014, 10:13 AM #2

I think those are the minimum pressures-so if you setup a fuel pump that always supplied 3.5bar you would probably be okay. I'm not an expert but just guessing.


Newbie-read this: Cheap Tricks
617.952-220k-Getting built up
larsalan I guess I need to look at this stupid ass drip shit. What you have to like mess with those elements on the pump? What a fucking hassle. then use some wire to hold the throttle open or some shit?

mantahead
Holset

600
02-14-2014, 05:29 PM #3
a rising rate pressure regulator would do the job, more boost = more fuel pressure.
mantahead
02-14-2014, 05:29 PM #3

a rising rate pressure regulator would do the job, more boost = more fuel pressure.

EmJay
Holset

299
02-16-2014, 11:20 AM #4
There are old regulators made by Holley for turbocharging carburetors, more boost would allow more fuel pressure. I imagine that one of these would do the job, or one like it anyways.
EmJay
02-16-2014, 11:20 AM #4

There are old regulators made by Holley for turbocharging carburetors, more boost would allow more fuel pressure. I imagine that one of these would do the job, or one like it anyways.

Hario'
C300TD Wagon (W202)

894
02-17-2014, 08:05 AM #5
I was under the impression fuel pressure was raised with revs to ensure complete element filling as time available to do so reduces with rev rise.

I don't think increasing fuel pressure with boost would have any effect on quantity output.

For over 15psi a rising rate fuel pressure regulator from a fuel injection system is required because cabs systems rarely pressurise the float bowl to over 15spi, if my memory from turbo austin mini days serves me correct.

H




Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]
Hario'
02-17-2014, 08:05 AM #5

I was under the impression fuel pressure was raised with revs to ensure complete element filling as time available to do so reduces with rev rise.

I don't think increasing fuel pressure with boost would have any effect on quantity output.

For over 15psi a rising rate fuel pressure regulator from a fuel injection system is required because cabs systems rarely pressurise the float bowl to over 15spi, if my memory from turbo austin mini days serves me correct.

H





Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]

barrote
Superturbo

1,627
02-17-2014, 09:58 AM #6
hy there,
well , in my setup i eliminate the lift pump and bought a BMW fuel pump, actually it is not a BMW pump, is a pump suitable for BMW cars (gas) something like a coca cola can, 100€ more less . this pump can be set in series in the fuel line. is fantastic can deliver 3to5 bar wich is to much in idle. very often i end up with burst pipes. the reguator i´m using is a 0,2 mm hole in the fuel filter exit. to avoid busrting the piping i have a swich to turn it on when i really need the power, and belive me it is noticeable.
regards

FD,
Powered by tractor fuel
barrote
02-17-2014, 09:58 AM #6

hy there,
well , in my setup i eliminate the lift pump and bought a BMW fuel pump, actually it is not a BMW pump, is a pump suitable for BMW cars (gas) something like a coca cola can, 100€ more less . this pump can be set in series in the fuel line. is fantastic can deliver 3to5 bar wich is to much in idle. very often i end up with burst pipes. the reguator i´m using is a 0,2 mm hole in the fuel filter exit. to avoid busrting the piping i have a swich to turn it on when i really need the power, and belive me it is noticeable.
regards


FD,
Powered by tractor fuel

mantahead
Holset

600
02-17-2014, 10:15 AM #7
(02-17-2014, 08:05 AM)Hario I was under the impression fuel pressure was raised with revs to ensure complete element filling as time available to do so reduces with rev rise.

I don't think increasing fuel pressure with boost would have any effect on quantity output.

For over 15psi a rising rate fuel pressure regulator from a fuel injection system is required because cabs systems rarely pressurise the float bowl to over 15spi, if my memory from turbo austin mini days serves me correct.

H
you have a point, original lift pump will work harder with rpm as its drive of pump cam.
what do you suggest with electric pump?
mantahead
02-17-2014, 10:15 AM #7

(02-17-2014, 08:05 AM)Hario I was under the impression fuel pressure was raised with revs to ensure complete element filling as time available to do so reduces with rev rise.

I don't think increasing fuel pressure with boost would have any effect on quantity output.

For over 15psi a rising rate fuel pressure regulator from a fuel injection system is required because cabs systems rarely pressurise the float bowl to over 15spi, if my memory from turbo austin mini days serves me correct.

H
you have a point, original lift pump will work harder with rpm as its drive of pump cam.
what do you suggest with electric pump?

pmj4147
T04R + TD06

42
02-17-2014, 10:23 AM #8
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FASS-FUEL-SYSTEM...ee&vxp=mtr

What about this??
This actually made for diesel(Cummins, Duramax bla bla bla)

-------------------------------------------
2002. 09 Ssangyong Musso SUT
OM662STP + 7.5mm + TD06-25G with customized 84mm compressor(2.4Bar)
-------------------------------------------
2002. 12 Ssangyong Korando
OM662LA 2.9ltr + RS191 5.5mm stock
-------------------------------------------
pmj4147
02-17-2014, 10:23 AM #8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FASS-FUEL-SYSTEM...ee&vxp=mtr

What about this??
This actually made for diesel(Cummins, Duramax bla bla bla)


-------------------------------------------
2002. 09 Ssangyong Musso SUT
OM662STP + 7.5mm + TD06-25G with customized 84mm compressor(2.4Bar)
-------------------------------------------
2002. 12 Ssangyong Korando
OM662LA 2.9ltr + RS191 5.5mm stock
-------------------------------------------

Tito
Holset

354
02-17-2014, 01:49 PM #9
Why 1 bar on idle? I don't think its a huge problem if you just have 3 bar from a electric pump on idle? or am i missing something?
Tito
02-17-2014, 01:49 PM #9

Why 1 bar on idle? I don't think its a huge problem if you just have 3 bar from a electric pump on idle? or am i missing something?

john
GTA2056V

90
02-17-2014, 03:01 PM #10
Read somewhere that the rack can stick if you run 3 bars at idle.
The thing my man from sweden is searching for is a progressive FPR
http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bil-ti...tor-79741/
I will be using a 044 copy for my superturbobuild. Norwegians have used it with success
http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bilres...ump-52250/

Holset power!
john
02-17-2014, 03:01 PM #10

Read somewhere that the rack can stick if you run 3 bars at idle.
The thing my man from sweden is searching for is a progressive FPR
http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bil-ti...tor-79741/
I will be using a 044 copy for my superturbobuild. Norwegians have used it with success
http://www.biltema.se/sv/Bil---MC/Bilres...ump-52250/


Holset power!

F.R.A.S
Holset

579
02-17-2014, 05:06 PM #11
No need for a progressive FPR. A progressive one will up the pressure with a constant like 1.4 or such. So 1bar boost will give 2.4bar fuel pressure, 2bar boost will give 3.8bar fuel pressure (if the no boost fuel pressure is 1bar).

A normal (linjär in Swedish) FPR will just ad the boost in fuel pressure so the same scenario will be 2bar and 3bar fuel pressure.

A normal Bosch 044 or a good intank pump is a good solution together with a good quality FPR of your choice.

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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
F.R.A.S
02-17-2014, 05:06 PM #11

No need for a progressive FPR. A progressive one will up the pressure with a constant like 1.4 or such. So 1bar boost will give 2.4bar fuel pressure, 2bar boost will give 3.8bar fuel pressure (if the no boost fuel pressure is 1bar).

A normal (linjär in Swedish) FPR will just ad the boost in fuel pressure so the same scenario will be 2bar and 3bar fuel pressure.

A normal Bosch 044 or a good intank pump is a good solution together with a good quality FPR of your choice.


F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.

Hario'
C300TD Wagon (W202)

894
02-18-2014, 02:25 AM #12
(02-17-2014, 09:58 AM)barrote hy there,
well , in my setup i eliminate the lift pump and bought a BMW fuel pump, actually it is not a BMW pump, is a pump suitable for BMW cars (gas) something like a coca cola can, 100€ more less . this pump can be set in series in the fuel line. is fantastic can deliver 3to5 bar wich is to much in idle. very often i end up with burst pipes. the reguator i´m using is a 0,2 mm hole in the fuel filter exit. to avoid busrting the piping i have a swich to turn it on when i really need the power, and belive me it is noticeable.
regards

This is mostly guesswork and some experience from my end, we are **intend on* using the stock bosch tank mounted pump in the 606/w201 project we are building because it seems to pump diesel fine, and the lift pump had to be omitted for the huge alda device i designed.

And I can't see why a regulator would have to be diesel specific as theyre only a diaphram type?




Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]
Hario'
02-18-2014, 02:25 AM #12

(02-17-2014, 09:58 AM)barrote hy there,
well , in my setup i eliminate the lift pump and bought a BMW fuel pump, actually it is not a BMW pump, is a pump suitable for BMW cars (gas) something like a coca cola can, 100€ more less . this pump can be set in series in the fuel line. is fantastic can deliver 3to5 bar wich is to much in idle. very often i end up with burst pipes. the reguator i´m using is a 0,2 mm hole in the fuel filter exit. to avoid busrting the piping i have a swich to turn it on when i really need the power, and belive me it is noticeable.
regards

This is mostly guesswork and some experience from my end, we are **intend on* using the stock bosch tank mounted pump in the 606/w201 project we are building because it seems to pump diesel fine, and the lift pump had to be omitted for the huge alda device i designed.

And I can't see why a regulator would have to be diesel specific as theyre only a diaphram type?





Installed:

OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. 
[/i]

Sami/B
K26-2

25
03-03-2014, 03:11 AM #13
(02-17-2014, 01:49 PM)Tito Why 1 bar on idle? I don't think its a huge problem if you just have 3 bar from a electric pump on idle? or am i missing something?

Oh, forgot about this threed.
If you run to high pressure at idle, acording to dieselmeken, the engine Will run rough at low rpm.
But i'll guess i just run with a FPR.
However, i have not bought a pre-pump. Might try with 1 (or two?) china 044 replicas.

Thanks for all replys!
Sami/B
03-03-2014, 03:11 AM #13

(02-17-2014, 01:49 PM)Tito Why 1 bar on idle? I don't think its a huge problem if you just have 3 bar from a electric pump on idle? or am i missing something?

Oh, forgot about this threed.
If you run to high pressure at idle, acording to dieselmeken, the engine Will run rough at low rpm.
But i'll guess i just run with a FPR.
However, i have not bought a pre-pump. Might try with 1 (or two?) china 044 replicas.

Thanks for all replys!

mantahead
Holset

600
03-03-2014, 04:40 PM #14
i did some experimenting with feed pressure and once run 4 bar, even at idle. leak off pipes like to blow offBig Grin
this was the only problem i had.
mantahead
03-03-2014, 04:40 PM #14

i did some experimenting with feed pressure and once run 4 bar, even at idle. leak off pipes like to blow offBig Grin
this was the only problem i had.

Sami/B
K26-2

25
03-05-2014, 06:45 AM #15
(03-03-2014, 04:40 PM)mantahead i did some experimenting with feed pressure and once run 4 bar, even at idle. leak off pipes like to blow offBig Grin
this was the only problem i had.

Ok, sounds good.
Did you have the FPR on the pressure side, or on the surplus side?
What pump did you use?
Thanks! Smile
Sami/B
03-05-2014, 06:45 AM #15

(03-03-2014, 04:40 PM)mantahead i did some experimenting with feed pressure and once run 4 bar, even at idle. leak off pipes like to blow offBig Grin
this was the only problem i had.

Ok, sounds good.
Did you have the FPR on the pressure side, or on the surplus side?
What pump did you use?
Thanks! Smile

mantahead
Holset

600
03-05-2014, 04:08 PM #16
just used petrol fuel injection pump no idea what make or what it was off. just used different return banjos for a regulator.
mantahead
03-05-2014, 04:08 PM #16

just used petrol fuel injection pump no idea what make or what it was off. just used different return banjos for a regulator.

Triker
Naturally-aspirated

21
03-06-2014, 12:38 AM #17
I use two 044 copy pumps with bypass fuel regulator before the injection pump. The regulator add the fuel pressure vs boost and it returns extra fuel back to tank. I also make Arduino based controller for the lift pumps. When I drive <1,5bar boost only one pump works and after 1,5bar boost Arduino starts the second pump also and both pumps work. This because I don´t have fuel cooler and there will be plenty of fuel what goes through the FPR and it warms the fuel very much. It also saves the pumps to not to work that hard all the time. Fuel lines are 10mm ID from and back from tank. I use 1 bar fuel pressure in idle and 3bar with full boost. Arduino controlling is now on process and we´ll see how this setup works when spring arrives here.
This post was last modified: 03-06-2014, 04:20 AM by Triker.

S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
Triker
03-06-2014, 12:38 AM #17

I use two 044 copy pumps with bypass fuel regulator before the injection pump. The regulator add the fuel pressure vs boost and it returns extra fuel back to tank. I also make Arduino based controller for the lift pumps. When I drive <1,5bar boost only one pump works and after 1,5bar boost Arduino starts the second pump also and both pumps work. This because I don´t have fuel cooler and there will be plenty of fuel what goes through the FPR and it warms the fuel very much. It also saves the pumps to not to work that hard all the time. Fuel lines are 10mm ID from and back from tank. I use 1 bar fuel pressure in idle and 3bar with full boost. Arduino controlling is now on process and we´ll see how this setup works when spring arrives here.


S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC

muuris
OM605

318
03-06-2014, 09:03 AM #18
There's no reason to have significant pressure on the IP, positive pressure (indicating flow) is enough. Those 3bar setups are just overkills. Of course you need fuel lines big enough to have flow.

I've dynoed 450hp with 0,1bar between filter and IP at top revs Wink

Gasser fuel (injection) pumps aren't great if the car has to see winter driving.
muuris
03-06-2014, 09:03 AM #18

There's no reason to have significant pressure on the IP, positive pressure (indicating flow) is enough. Those 3bar setups are just overkills. Of course you need fuel lines big enough to have flow.

I've dynoed 450hp with 0,1bar between filter and IP at top revs Wink

Gasser fuel (injection) pumps aren't great if the car has to see winter driving.

Sami/B
K26-2

25
03-06-2014, 12:16 PM #19
(03-06-2014, 09:03 AM)muuris There's no reason to have significant pressure on the IP, positive pressure (indicating flow) is enough. Those 3bar setups are just overkills. Of course you need fuel lines big enough to have flow.

I've dynoed 450hp with 0,1bar between filter and IP at top revs Wink

Gasser fuel (injection) pumps aren't great if the car has to see winter driving.

Ok, so a Holly blue would do it the i guess?
But why does Dieselmeken say 3bar?
My pump is specified to 220cc, is it with 3bar, or at N/A feed, or does it matter?
Sami/B
03-06-2014, 12:16 PM #19

(03-06-2014, 09:03 AM)muuris There's no reason to have significant pressure on the IP, positive pressure (indicating flow) is enough. Those 3bar setups are just overkills. Of course you need fuel lines big enough to have flow.

I've dynoed 450hp with 0,1bar between filter and IP at top revs Wink

Gasser fuel (injection) pumps aren't great if the car has to see winter driving.

Ok, so a Holly blue would do it the i guess?
But why does Dieselmeken say 3bar?
My pump is specified to 220cc, is it with 3bar, or at N/A feed, or does it matter?

muuris
OM605

318
03-06-2014, 01:08 PM #20
Holley HP-150 is a decent pump, one just has to remove the inlet screen filter for diesel use.

Max injected fuel quantity doesn't depend on inlet pressure in (practically) any way. All you need is that the injection pump is topped up all the time. You need flow, not pressure. Don't know if dieselmeken modifies the stock return banjo, which has a kind of pressure valve to restrict return flow.
muuris
03-06-2014, 01:08 PM #20

Holley HP-150 is a decent pump, one just has to remove the inlet screen filter for diesel use.

Max injected fuel quantity doesn't depend on inlet pressure in (practically) any way. All you need is that the injection pump is topped up all the time. You need flow, not pressure. Don't know if dieselmeken modifies the stock return banjo, which has a kind of pressure valve to restrict return flow.

maxypriest
Holset

287
03-06-2014, 02:06 PM #21
I'm planning to use a holley black as it's rated as 140 us gall per hour at one bar. That is a lot of fuel!

W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
03-06-2014, 02:06 PM #21

I'm planning to use a holley black as it's rated as 140 us gall per hour at one bar. That is a lot of fuel!


W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs

Sami/B
K26-2

25
03-06-2014, 03:58 PM #22
(03-06-2014, 01:08 PM)muuris Holley HP-150 is a decent pump, one just has to remove the inlet screen filter for diesel use.

Max injected fuel quantity doesn't depend on inlet pressure in (practically) any way. All you need is that the injection pump is topped up all the time. You need flow, not pressure. Don't know if dieselmeken modifies the stock return banjo, which has a kind of pressure valve to restrict return flow.

Ok, i have an holly blue, but it haven't been going since 1980ish.
I'll just try. Do i need a FPR to that one?
i have the stock holly if it's to any use...
Sami/B
03-06-2014, 03:58 PM #22

(03-06-2014, 01:08 PM)muuris Holley HP-150 is a decent pump, one just has to remove the inlet screen filter for diesel use.

Max injected fuel quantity doesn't depend on inlet pressure in (practically) any way. All you need is that the injection pump is topped up all the time. You need flow, not pressure. Don't know if dieselmeken modifies the stock return banjo, which has a kind of pressure valve to restrict return flow.

Ok, i have an holly blue, but it haven't been going since 1980ish.
I'll just try. Do i need a FPR to that one?
i have the stock holly if it's to any use...

erling66
SuperDieselVan

294
03-07-2014, 11:26 AM #23
(02-13-2014, 04:28 PM)Sami/B i'm building a om606.96x with a 8mm 220cc dieselmeken IP.
According to Göran, it needs to be fed with 1bar at idle and 3bar att max rev.

Aftermarket elements has different design, so if Gøran says so, it is because he has tested it and found out that his pumps need 3 bar to be able to completely fill the elements at high revs. Pumps from Myna or PP will need a different fuel pressure so ask your pump builder. They will know.
No need to run high fuel pressure(just to be safe), it is just a waste of energy and a risk of spilling fuel on the road.
Holly pumps work great on diesel(and even on WVO) Gasser pumps don't like fuel that is too thick and breaks down.

HuhCoolTongue
erling66
03-07-2014, 11:26 AM #23

(02-13-2014, 04:28 PM)Sami/B i'm building a om606.96x with a 8mm 220cc dieselmeken IP.
According to Göran, it needs to be fed with 1bar at idle and 3bar att max rev.

Aftermarket elements has different design, so if Gøran says so, it is because he has tested it and found out that his pumps need 3 bar to be able to completely fill the elements at high revs. Pumps from Myna or PP will need a different fuel pressure so ask your pump builder. They will know.
No need to run high fuel pressure(just to be safe), it is just a waste of energy and a risk of spilling fuel on the road.
Holly pumps work great on diesel(and even on WVO) Gasser pumps don't like fuel that is too thick and breaks down.


HuhCoolTongue

Triker
Naturally-aspirated

21
06-07-2014, 11:45 AM #24
Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g

S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
Triker
06-07-2014, 11:45 AM #24

Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC

Sami/B
K26-2

25
06-08-2014, 04:57 AM #25
(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you
Sami/B
06-08-2014, 04:57 AM #25

(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you

Triker
Naturally-aspirated

21
06-08-2014, 11:40 AM #26
(06-08-2014, 04:57 AM)Sami/B
(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you

Just this spring I get this setup working. FPR is before IP and the extra fuel goes back to tank. SJ4000 action cam is ordered and coming. When I get that I´ll post some driving clips. I tried to film with one hand and steer one hand but the film looked ridiculous because the phone spinned with my hand and filmed the roof, doors, floor and windows Big Grin Have to keep focus of driving.

S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
Triker
06-08-2014, 11:40 AM #26

(06-08-2014, 04:57 AM)Sami/B
(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you

Just this spring I get this setup working. FPR is before IP and the extra fuel goes back to tank. SJ4000 action cam is ordered and coming. When I get that I´ll post some driving clips. I tried to film with one hand and steer one hand but the film looked ridiculous because the phone spinned with my hand and filmed the roof, doors, floor and windows Big Grin Have to keep focus of driving.


S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC

560
Naturally-aspirated

3
11-27-2014, 05:19 PM #27
(06-08-2014, 11:40 AM)Triker
(06-08-2014, 04:57 AM)Sami/B
(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you

Just this spring I get this setup working. FPR is before IP and the extra fuel goes back to tank. SJ4000 action cam is ordered and coming. When I get that I´ll post some driving clips. I tried to film with one hand and steer one hand but the film looked ridiculous because the phone spinned with my hand and filmed the roof, doors, floor and windows Big Grin Have to keep focus of driving.
When you have mounted FPR before the IP did you plugg the return on the IP?
This post was last modified: 11-27-2014, 05:20 PM by 560.
560
11-27-2014, 05:19 PM #27

(06-08-2014, 11:40 AM)Triker
(06-08-2014, 04:57 AM)Sami/B
(06-07-2014, 11:45 AM)Triker Here is a little clip about the twin "044" lift pumps with bypass regulator controlled with Arduino. Drive clips is coming soon when the SJ4000 arrives.
http://youtu.be/ySPiZ5i5g0g


Oh, How long have you been running with the pumps?
Do you have the FPR on the fuel in or out?
Got any vids of how it more in action? Smile
Thank you

Just this spring I get this setup working. FPR is before IP and the extra fuel goes back to tank. SJ4000 action cam is ordered and coming. When I get that I´ll post some driving clips. I tried to film with one hand and steer one hand but the film looked ridiculous because the phone spinned with my hand and filmed the roof, doors, floor and windows Big Grin Have to keep focus of driving.
When you have mounted FPR before the IP did you plugg the return on the IP?

F.R.A.S
Holset

579
11-28-2014, 01:21 PM #28
Tell me how you can have 3bar in the IP with the regulator before the IP. That's just not possible. The FPR needs to be on the return line. And yes we have tested this in Dieselmekens test bench. You do need 3bar to get the right "filling" of the elements.

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F.R.A.S
11-28-2014, 01:21 PM #28

Tell me how you can have 3bar in the IP with the regulator before the IP. That's just not possible. The FPR needs to be on the return line. And yes we have tested this in Dieselmekens test bench. You do need 3bar to get the right "filling" of the elements.


F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.

hents99
GT2256V

157
11-29-2014, 05:36 AM #29
With Mallory etc FPRs it`s possible. These FPRs are fitted before pump/fuel rail.
hents99
11-29-2014, 05:36 AM #29

With Mallory etc FPRs it`s possible. These FPRs are fitted before pump/fuel rail.

Petar
7.5mm M pump

459
11-29-2014, 07:59 AM #30
How ?? The pressure relief valve in the pump will open and the fuel will go back to the tank !!???
If you could draw a sketch of the fuel lines that would be helpfull.
Petar
11-29-2014, 07:59 AM #30

How ?? The pressure relief valve in the pump will open and the fuel will go back to the tank !!???
If you could draw a sketch of the fuel lines that would be helpfull.

hents99
GT2256V

157
11-29-2014, 08:43 AM #31
I never used this kind of system personally but I have seen it on others cars. Mallory one works like this:

[Image: fuel_rail1_595.jpg]
hents99
11-29-2014, 08:43 AM #31

I never used this kind of system personally but I have seen it on others cars. Mallory one works like this:

[Image: fuel_rail1_595.jpg]

F.R.A.S
Holset

579
11-29-2014, 11:39 AM #32
Look at the picture. Both pictures show the regulator AFTER the fuel rail (or IP for us dirsel guys). Only in the second picture you are fooled by the external look of the FPR.

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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
F.R.A.S
11-29-2014, 11:39 AM #32

Look at the picture. Both pictures show the regulator AFTER the fuel rail (or IP for us dirsel guys). Only in the second picture you are fooled by the external look of the FPR.


F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.

Triker
Naturally-aspirated

21
11-29-2014, 05:42 PM #33
Sorry about the delay of the reply. My "compound STC" is sold and if the new owner wants to tell more about his modifications he will write here(forum reader). I just told what my fuel pressure gauge told me.. I had modified banjo bolt after injction pump and fuel pressure regulator before IP, believe it or not.. and it took info from boost and added fuel pressure. It was almoust 3.2bar so I had to turn it back a little bit not to break IP´s gasgets. Because some say that over the 3bar fuel pressure breaks the gasgets sooner than later.
Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo

S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
Triker
11-29-2014, 05:42 PM #33

Sorry about the delay of the reply. My "compound STC" is sold and if the new owner wants to tell more about his modifications he will write here(forum reader). I just told what my fuel pressure gauge told me.. I had modified banjo bolt after injction pump and fuel pressure regulator before IP, believe it or not.. and it took info from boost and added fuel pressure. It was almoust 3.2bar so I had to turn it back a little bit not to break IP´s gasgets. Because some say that over the 3bar fuel pressure breaks the gasgets sooner than later.
Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo


S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC

F.R.A.S
Holset

579
11-30-2014, 01:21 AM #34
Where did you have your gauge?

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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
F.R.A.S
11-30-2014, 01:21 AM #34

Where did you have your gauge?


F-tune Performance [Image: V-band_om606.jpg] [Image: GTX3582R.jpg] [Image: gs6-53dz_gearbox.jpg]

I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.

Duncansport
Holset

526
11-30-2014, 04:00 PM #35
Just an FYI here.. If you get a fuel filter from most any 1998-2005 Mercedes it has a built in FPR set at 3 bar. They are only about $60 and all hose barb fittings.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercede...ApyB8P8HAQ
Duncansport
11-30-2014, 04:00 PM #35

Just an FYI here.. If you get a fuel filter from most any 1998-2005 Mercedes it has a built in FPR set at 3 bar. They are only about $60 and all hose barb fittings.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercede...ApyB8P8HAQ

cho
GT2559V

183
12-01-2014, 08:28 AM #36
(11-29-2014, 05:42 PM)Triker Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo


it's private ....

.

500SEC euro gen II powered by OM617a stolen from 84 300SD .... with 280se transmission now Smile
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cho
12-01-2014, 08:28 AM #36

(11-29-2014, 05:42 PM)Triker Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo


it's private ....

.


500SEC euro gen II powered by OM617a stolen from 84 300SD .... with 280se transmission now Smile
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Triker
Naturally-aspirated

21
12-05-2014, 04:11 PM #37
(12-01-2014, 08:28 AM)cho
(11-29-2014, 05:42 PM)Triker Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo


it's private ....

.

Now it should be seen again...

Quote:Where did you have your gauge?
In the cabin from the fp gauge.

S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
Triker
12-05-2014, 04:11 PM #37

(12-01-2014, 08:28 AM)cho
(11-29-2014, 05:42 PM)Triker Here is some film how the dieselmeken IP rocks with 3bar fuel pressure(Had to turn boost little bit moore after thatWink ):
http://youtu.be/arcOJ2vyAUo


it's private ....

.

Now it should be seen again...

Quote:Where did you have your gauge?
In the cabin from the fp gauge.


S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC

 
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