STD Tuning Engine turbo downgrade

turbo downgrade

turbo downgrade

 
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bricktron
'77 240D

174
07-17-2014, 11:10 AM #1
most of my driving is in town and at low boost. i am curious about sacrificing some power at the top-end for a faster spoolup, ergo i could try a smaller turbo. however! is it possible to use a restrictor plate somewhere in the intake, in the vicinity of the snail, to reduce the A/R ratio without actually swapping the turbo?

(if i WERE going to swap it, i would have a hard time avoiding the VGT project, but the extreme simplicity of the above has some real appeal. that said, am i crazy?)


english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




bricktron
07-17-2014, 11:10 AM #1

most of my driving is in town and at low boost. i am curious about sacrificing some power at the top-end for a faster spoolup, ergo i could try a smaller turbo. however! is it possible to use a restrictor plate somewhere in the intake, in the vicinity of the snail, to reduce the A/R ratio without actually swapping the turbo?

(if i WERE going to swap it, i would have a hard time avoiding the VGT project, but the extreme simplicity of the above has some real appeal. that said, am i crazy?)



english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




4x4Cal
Naturally-aspirated

12
07-17-2014, 02:11 PM #2
Not sure why would you downgrade a turbocharger. Do you have some kind of issue right now?

reduce the air flow will cause smoke!! unless you reduce your fuel delivery.

1994 W140 S350 TD
OM603.971
H&R Sports springs/Bilstein HD, AMG Monoblock f/18x8.5 r/18x9.5, ALDA delete
4x4Cal
07-17-2014, 02:11 PM #2

Not sure why would you downgrade a turbocharger. Do you have some kind of issue right now?

reduce the air flow will cause smoke!! unless you reduce your fuel delivery.


1994 W140 S350 TD
OM603.971
H&R Sports springs/Bilstein HD, AMG Monoblock f/18x8.5 r/18x9.5, ALDA delete

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
07-18-2014, 12:39 PM #3
what turbo are you currently running?

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
07-18-2014, 12:39 PM #3

what turbo are you currently running?


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

willbhere4u
Six in a row make her go!

2,507
07-18-2014, 05:35 PM #4
i have seen some quick spool valves the mount between the turbo and the manifold. that might just do the trick. It closes off half of the exhaust port to get the exhaust gas's moving faster to spool the turbo quicker then it opens back to normal after its making boost
This post was last modified: 07-18-2014, 05:37 PM by willbhere4u.
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willbhere4u
07-18-2014, 05:35 PM #4

i have seen some quick spool valves the mount between the turbo and the manifold. that might just do the trick. It closes off half of the exhaust port to get the exhaust gas's moving faster to spool the turbo quicker then it opens back to normal after its making boost

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bricktron
'77 240D

174
07-20-2014, 11:43 PM #5
MFSuper90: stock garrett here, 40 trim i think. 4x4cal, the problem is just a low average amount of boost, i.e. i am driving around most of the time without fully benefitting from the turbo. in city driving from 5-35 mph i am usually in 2nd, and around 30 mph it's fun. the QSV sounds enticing willbhere4u so thanks for the tip! this must do something similar as the VGT - i assume not as effectively.... i am reading up on it. cheers.


english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




bricktron
07-20-2014, 11:43 PM #5

MFSuper90: stock garrett here, 40 trim i think. 4x4cal, the problem is just a low average amount of boost, i.e. i am driving around most of the time without fully benefitting from the turbo. in city driving from 5-35 mph i am usually in 2nd, and around 30 mph it's fun. the QSV sounds enticing willbhere4u so thanks for the tip! this must do something similar as the VGT - i assume not as effectively.... i am reading up on it. cheers.



english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
07-21-2014, 12:42 PM #6
why not build a small set of twins for super fast spool, and not loose any topend? Big Grin

Maybe hx25 as the secondary, hx30 for primary?

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
07-21-2014, 12:42 PM #6

why not build a small set of twins for super fast spool, and not loose any topend? Big Grin

Maybe hx25 as the secondary, hx30 for primary?


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

carlitosgy6
Ranger Turbodiesel

144
07-22-2014, 07:26 AM #7
You will have more power available at a lower speed + better mpg at the expense of high end
carlitosgy6
07-22-2014, 07:26 AM #7

You will have more power available at a lower speed + better mpg at the expense of high end

bricktron
'77 240D

174
07-26-2014, 10:42 AM #8
VGT, QSV, twins, all would be great, but so complicated.

i think the answer to my own restrictor plate question is that a plate would lower throughput but only increase air speed right next to its aperture. to accelerate the impeller more quickly, nearly the whole exhaust snail would have to be restricted, stupid to do this with extra parts, thus the different available molds. maybe.


english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




bricktron
07-26-2014, 10:42 AM #8

VGT, QSV, twins, all would be great, but so complicated.

i think the answer to my own restrictor plate question is that a plate would lower throughput but only increase air speed right next to its aperture. to accelerate the impeller more quickly, nearly the whole exhaust snail would have to be restricted, stupid to do this with extra parts, thus the different available molds. maybe.



english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




4x4Cal
Naturally-aspirated

12
07-26-2014, 11:41 AM #9
How about up-size the cold side compressor wheel & compressor housing for more air volume passing through?

1994 W140 S350 TD
OM603.971
H&R Sports springs/Bilstein HD, AMG Monoblock f/18x8.5 r/18x9.5, ALDA delete
4x4Cal
07-26-2014, 11:41 AM #9

How about up-size the cold side compressor wheel & compressor housing for more air volume passing through?


1994 W140 S350 TD
OM603.971
H&R Sports springs/Bilstein HD, AMG Monoblock f/18x8.5 r/18x9.5, ALDA delete

MFSuper90
Budget Builder

1,533
07-28-2014, 06:59 AM #10
A friend of mine that had a light pro pulling tractor use to take a piece of metal and weld it to the exhaust housing and angle it towards the compressor housing. This in turn allowed him to spool a bigger charger, because it sent the exhaust gas towards the big side of the turbine wheel.
Like blowing on a pinwheel Smile

'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         
MFSuper90
07-28-2014, 06:59 AM #10

A friend of mine that had a light pro pulling tractor use to take a piece of metal and weld it to the exhaust housing and angle it towards the compressor housing. This in turn allowed him to spool a bigger charger, because it sent the exhaust gas towards the big side of the turbine wheel.
Like blowing on a pinwheel Smile


'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler Big Grin
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted         

bricktron
'77 240D

174
08-02-2014, 11:46 AM #11
MFSuper90, i can't picture what you are describing quite yet but it sounds like what i want! a restrictor plate to increase exhaust airspeed!


english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




bricktron
08-02-2014, 11:46 AM #11

MFSuper90, i can't picture what you are describing quite yet but it sounds like what i want! a restrictor plate to increase exhaust airspeed!



english red rat rod 1977 240D, OM617.952 burning B99.9, iron 4-speed & 2.88 diff, 195/60/R14 on alloys, 5mph bumpers, battery in the trunk, 25mm swaybar, 4x ECE H4 lamps, double brake lamps, deleted sunroof, export zoll & california blue plates




 
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