What fuel pump are people using?
What fuel pump are people using?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Im sending my pump out to Dieselmeken tomorrow and I saw people were recommending that I get some kind of lift pump. So what are people using? I also noticed that there is some kind of fuel heater inline, can this be deleted? Or what is this thing? Its an us spec 87 300 sdl.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
08-18-2014, 04:20 AM #2I have bought a holley Black pump - not used it yet.
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Ed
yankneck696
08-18-2014, 08:05 AM #4Remember to use a pump that is diesel compatible. If using biodiesel, your pump MUST be compatible. Also, a 100 micron prefilter is best to have in line before the pump.
Ed
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Any good recommendations for biodiesel pumps? Also can you tell me more about mounting an intank pump? How easy is that? Just get a Fuel pump and wire it in?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Ah the 190 has an in-tank pump from factory, easiest to buy an inline pump from something German (so it will be a Bosch pump) then fit it in the fuel line between tank and IP, some people think by the tank is best, personally I think by the IP is best because its easier to wire and OEM lift pump draws from the engine bay, easier/safer to mount relay/ign. switched live also.
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Do we need to use a big pump or will the actual injector pump still be doing most the work?
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
If you want a biodiesel pump, look at the Airdog Raptor pumps. Some places sell pumps only so you don't have to pay for all the extra hardware. Ive been running one on my pulling tractor for a couple years now and never had a single problem with it.
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/genera...aptor.html
I tried to defend them, due to the former owner (Licensor) getting involved, but they still have major QC issues.
The issues are the seal between pump & motor, regulator needing to be constantly adjusted & machining burrs in some parts. People in the Cummins world will not touch them.
Fass makes a superior product at a comperable price.
For best results with any electric pump, it is best to mount as close to the tank as possible, as they push, rather than pull.
Ed
yankneck696
08-19-2014, 12:10 PM #10Airdog/Raptor has gone way downhill. Mine lasted less than a year, the replacement was junk & then they lost my warranty card. The downward spiral started about 2 years ago after a licensing contract to Pureflow.
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/genera...aptor.html
I tried to defend them, due to the former owner (Licensor) getting involved, but they still have major QC issues.
The issues are the seal between pump & motor, regulator needing to be constantly adjusted & machining burrs in some parts. People in the Cummins world will not touch them.
Fass makes a superior product at a comperable price.
For best results with any electric pump, it is best to mount as close to the tank as possible, as they push, rather than pull.
Ed
(08-19-2014, 12:10 PM)yankneck696 Airdog/Raptor has gone way downhill. Mine lasted less than a year, the replacement was junk & then they lost my warranty card. The downward spiral started about 2 years ago after a licensing contract to Pureflow.
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/genera...aptor.html
I tried to defend them, due to the former owner (Licensor) getting involved, but they still have major QC issues.
The issues are the seal between pump & motor, regulator needing to be constantly adjusted & machining burrs in some parts. People in the Cummins world will not touch them.
Fass makes a superior product at a comperable price.
For best results with any electric pump, it is best to mount as close to the tank as possible, as they push, rather than pull.
Ed
Very Interesting to know, I must have gotten one before they changed to Pureflow. I used to keep up on all that cumminsforum stuff, but now days I could careless what most of those goofballs have to say.
But you make a valid point, and I am glad you corrected me!
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
(08-19-2014, 12:10 PM)yankneck696 Airdog/Raptor has gone way downhill. Mine lasted less than a year, the replacement was junk & then they lost my warranty card. The downward spiral started about 2 years ago after a licensing contract to Pureflow.
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/genera...aptor.html
I tried to defend them, due to the former owner (Licensor) getting involved, but they still have major QC issues.
The issues are the seal between pump & motor, regulator needing to be constantly adjusted & machining burrs in some parts. People in the Cummins world will not touch them.
Fass makes a superior product at a comperable price.
For best results with any electric pump, it is best to mount as close to the tank as possible, as they push, rather than pull.
Ed
Very Interesting to know, I must have gotten one before they changed to Pureflow. I used to keep up on all that cumminsforum stuff, but now days I could careless what most of those goofballs have to say.
But you make a valid point, and I am glad you corrected me!
'82 300D -3" straight pipe, ALDA deleted, 3in1 glowshift gauge, HX30, egr-less manifold, A/W intercooler
'14 Ram 6.7l cummins -G56 handshaker, wishing it was deleted
Ed
yankneck696
08-20-2014, 09:32 AM #12Yeah, the worst part is that AFTER sending me a warranty pump that fluctuated from 4PSI to 21 PSI at idle & was at 0 PSI anything above idle, they conveniently could NOT find me in the computer system. That has happened to MANY others. They admitted that they have a problem to 1 CF member (Machining burrs) but didn't offer him any compensation after he got an HD system from the Licensor. He went through 5 pumps in 2 years.
Ed
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Good point regarding electronic pumps pushing rather than pulling, performance (flow & pressure) would be alot worse drawing through 10 feet of 3/8 tube!
Installed:
OM606/722.6, big IC, W220 brakes.
Planned:
DIY manifold, compound, 722.6 controller, built IP.
[i]Less rust.. [/i]
Anything free is worth saving up for.
ScrappIron68
10-05-2014, 10:34 PM #14Im putting a pump off of a 1994 Chevy 6.5l they are cheaper and stocked at almost any auto part store. the one in my chevy worked for years with no problem. so hopefully this one works just as good..
Anything free is worth saving up for.
Duncansport
10-06-2014, 09:06 AM #15I use a BOSCH 044 which works fine. I used one in my WVO 300D for 4 years and almost 200K with no issues (Waste Vegetable Oil 1 Bar @70C). Don't get wrapped up into using some super fancy $$$$ fuel pump.....
In our om605 build we are using an AEM 320lph intank pump, an Aeromotive fuelfilter (the steel model, not the paper one) and an Aeromotive FPR to controll the pressure.
BUT make sure to do a separate return line from the injectors back to the tank.
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
After a nice little visit at the diesel guru Mr Dieselmeken and some testing of fuelpressure I can highly recommend that you all go for 3bar of pressure.
In our om605 build we are using an AEM 320lph intank pump, an Aeromotive fuelfilter (the steel model, not the paper one) and an Aeromotive FPR to controll the pressure.
BUT make sure to do a separate return line from the injectors back to the tank.
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
Yes that is a problem. Higher fuel pressure will make the rack movement heavy. But for sure, if the pump builder calibrate rhe pump for 3.5bar or 4bar I reccon that's ok. However I can't say for sure.
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
(10-08-2014, 03:42 PM)F.R.A.S I can highly recommend that you all go for 3bar of pressure.
What are the benefits?
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
(10-08-2014, 03:42 PM)F.R.A.S I can highly recommend that you all go for 3bar of pressure.
What are the benefits?
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
Yeah I was also curious about the advantages? Im also curious why higher pressure would make rack travel harder. I guess I just dont know the inner workings enough.
87 300SDL OM606 swapped HE351VE 722.633 swapped, Crower cams, KM valvesprings
76 300TD custom lots of stuff
06 Mercedes CL65 AMG 619 WHP, http://TurboTims.com
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
We tested the rack movement at different fuel pressures, big difference really. About the fuel pressure it's to give you maximum power no matter what RPM or load you are running. While testing we saw some major advanatges to go 3bar instead of 1bar. And while testing live in our om605 we noticed the same differences at different fuel pressures as the test bench showed us.
F-tune Performance
I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
They're flying around like mad in there and make a vacuum on every down stroke that is broken by fuel pressure as the top of the element clears the fill hole. Makes for a cavitation prone environment.
IIRC the elements fill more completely or something, too at higher fuel pressures
They're flying around like mad in there and make a vacuum on every down stroke that is broken by fuel pressure as the top of the element clears the fill hole. Makes for a cavitation prone environment.
S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
I used dual Bosch 044 pumps (copy but almoust the same specs, 240l/h <2bar) in paralleling with recirculating fuel regulator before injection pump in my compound om606 C126. Fuel pressure with idle 1,2bar and with boost 3bar. Worked great with Dieselmeken´s 8mm.
S210 320CDI
W140 S300DT
EX: C126 om606 compound "300STC
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