OM605 C250 TurboDiesel Pump

STD Tuning Engine OM605 C250 TurboDiesel Pump

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dcm

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06-13-2011, 08:32 AM #1

Hello,
I have a 1999 W202 C250 Turbo Diesel.
Does anyone know what the standard elements in the pump are, are they 6mm?
How much power can these elements run not taking into account the turbo etc?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks

This post was last modified: 06-13-2011, 08:33 AM by dcm.

dcm

06-13-2011, 08:32 AM #1

tomnik

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06-13-2011, 12:03 PM #2

Hi,

5.5mm elements

How much power?
With smoke I think you can get approx. 70 ccm instead of approx. 55 ccm which is equivalent to hp if you can supply the air.

Tom

tomnik

06-13-2011, 12:03 PM #2

Hi,

5.5mm elements

How much power?
With smoke I think you can get approx. 70 ccm instead of approx. 55 ccm which is equivalent to hp if you can supply the air.

Tom

dcm

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06-13-2011, 12:37 PM #3

Ok thanks, I thought that the OM605.960 had 6mm as fitted in the OM606.
I was hoping to be running around 200hp. Will I need to change the elements, would the simplest option be to buy an OM606 pump and swap the elements?

dcm

06-13-2011, 12:37 PM #3

tomnik

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06-13-2011, 01:13 PM #4

do a calculation how much you pay for a 606 pump with 6mm elements and 60 EUR/element with 7.5mm diameter.
Or go cheap and get 7mm elements (45 EUR/piece).
Do a search for mantahead with the same engine.

Tom

tomnik

06-13-2011, 01:13 PM #4

dcm

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06-13-2011, 03:52 PM #5

Thanks for your help Tom. E300TD are common in the UK so getting an OM606 pump would be a easier option. I’m not looking to make figures that would need 7.5mm elements.

Thanks for the links, reading through his threads some people said that the OM605.960 Mercedes C 250 TD is fitted with 6mm elements.

Quote from his thread:
“Wayne, yes the OM605 turbo pump should also have 6mm elements. You can tell for sure if your pump tag has the full Bosch designation, PES5M60CxxxRSxxx as shown in the photo below. Not all the electronic pumps have that though.”

From another link I got the part numbers, which would match:
0 400 195 004
PES 5 M 60 C 320 RS 205
RE 22

Does anyone have the bosch part numbers for the 6mm elements?

Thanks

dcm

06-13-2011, 03:52 PM #5

tomnik

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06-13-2011, 04:17 PM #6

1 418 305 553 element of 0 400 195 004 engine 605.960

1 418 305 554 element of 0 400 196 003 engine 606.962

the delivery valves are identical on the 2 pumps, no idea what is the difference of the elements.

(sorry for my mistake, did not realise it is the electronic governor pump)

Tom

tomnik

06-13-2011, 04:17 PM #6

dcm

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06-13-2011, 05:34 PM #7

From what I have found non turbo versions of the 605 were fitted with 5.5mm elements.

0 400 195 001
PES5M55C320RS202
(0 420 090 002)
Mercedes C 250 D (202) 83 kw OM 605.910
Mercedes E 250 D (210) 83 kw OM 605.912
Mercedes E 250 D T (210) 83 kw OM 605.912

I’m fitting a VNT turbo so leaving the pump standard should make mapping the electronic pump easier.
I was looking at other threads that state the standard 6mm pump should be fine for around 200hp+? Although this is in a 606.

Thanks again.

dcm

06-13-2011, 05:34 PM #7

mantahead

Holset

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06-14-2011, 04:14 PM #8

(06-13-2011, 05:34 PM)dcm From what I have found non turbo versions of the 605 were fitted with 5.5mm elements.

0 400 195 001
PES5M55C320RS202
(0 420 090 002)
Mercedes C 250 D (202) 83 kw OM 605.910
Mercedes E 250 D (210) 83 kw OM 605.912
Mercedes E 250 D T (210) 83 kw OM 605.912

I’m fitting a VNT turbo so leaving the pump standard should make mapping the electronic pump easier.
I was looking at other threads that state the standard 6mm pump should be fine for around 200hp+? Although this is in a 606.

Thanks again.

hi,
my c250td pump had 6mm elements.

mantahead

06-14-2011, 04:14 PM #8

(06-13-2011, 05:34 PM)dcm From what I have found non turbo versions of the 605 were fitted with 5.5mm elements.

0 400 195 001
PES5M55C320RS202
(0 420 090 002)
Mercedes C 250 D (202) 83 kw OM 605.910
Mercedes E 250 D (210) 83 kw OM 605.912
Mercedes E 250 D T (210) 83 kw OM 605.912

I’m fitting a VNT turbo so leaving the pump standard should make mapping the electronic pump easier.
I was looking at other threads that state the standard 6mm pump should be fine for around 200hp+? Although this is in a 606.

Thanks again.

hi,
my c250td pump had 6mm elements.

dcm

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06-14-2011, 04:49 PM #9

Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

This post was last modified: 06-14-2011, 05:07 PM by dcm.

dcm

06-14-2011, 04:49 PM #9

Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

mantahead

Holset

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06-15-2011, 03:16 AM #10

(06-14-2011, 04:49 PM)dcm Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD

hi,
check this out Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD
Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD by dieselmeken

mantahead

06-15-2011, 03:16 AM #10

(06-14-2011, 04:49 PM)dcm Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD

hi,
check this out Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD
Dyno filmclip 6 mm 250 TD by dieselmeken

dieselmeken

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06-15-2011, 01:31 PM #11

(06-14-2011, 04:49 PM)dcm Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

Yes I know, 274hp!
http://www.maxxtuning.se/kundbilar/effek...w123--jim/

http://www.facebook.com/dieselmeken

dieselmeken

06-15-2011, 01:31 PM #11

(06-14-2011, 04:49 PM)dcm Hello, Ok thanks, I think all turbo 605 engines have 6mm.
Do you know what power 6mm produce in the 5cyl?

Yes I know, 274hp!
http://www.maxxtuning.se/kundbilar/effek...w123--jim/

http://www.facebook.com/dieselmeken

dieselmeken

Holset

407

06-20-2011, 01:40 AM #12

(06-13-2011, 04:17 PM)tomnik 1 418 305 553 element of 0 400 195 004 engine 605.960

1 418 305 554 element of 0 400 196 003 engine 606.962

the delivery valves are identical on the 2 pumps, no idea what is the difference of the elements.

(sorry for my mistake, did not realise it is the electronic governor pump)

Tom

Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

http://www.facebook.com/dieselmeken

dieselmeken

06-20-2011, 01:40 AM #12

(06-13-2011, 04:17 PM)tomnik 1 418 305 553 element of 0 400 195 004 engine 605.960

1 418 305 554 element of 0 400 196 003 engine 606.962

the delivery valves are identical on the 2 pumps, no idea what is the difference of the elements.

(sorry for my mistake, did not realise it is the electronic governor pump)

Tom

Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

http://www.facebook.com/dieselmeken

dcm

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06-20-2011, 04:25 PM #13

(06-20-2011, 01:40 AM)dieselmeken Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

Ok thanks for the info.

I have a Garrett GT2359V and will be programming the ECU to control the vanes. The car already has an intercooler fitted.

I’m struggling to find any info on the standard boost level or what the turbo can safely run?

dcm

06-20-2011, 04:25 PM #13

(06-20-2011, 01:40 AM)dieselmeken Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

aaa

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06-20-2011, 04:37 PM #14

It was somewhere around 20psi stock. For the GT22 anyways. Watch your intake temps to see how far you can go, the temp will rise sharply at the limit (28?).

I'd be more interested in max and optimal EGP for our engines.

aaa

06-20-2011, 04:37 PM #14

dcm

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06-20-2011, 05:21 PM #15

Thanks, I’ll probably keep it around the stock level. What power figures will I be looking at realistically with the correct mapping of the VNT? Removing the EGR and cat will be the only other modifications.

dcm

06-20-2011, 05:21 PM #15

aaa

GT2256V

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06-23-2011, 08:35 PM #16

I'm gonna guess 200hp.

aaa

06-23-2011, 08:35 PM #16

I'm gonna guess 200hp.

bmartins

GTA2056V

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02-01-2015, 03:58 AM #17

Hello.
Dieselmeken wrote......1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.
So the best 6mm element is the 1418305554 or the 1418305553?
And 7mm does anyone have a part number?

bmartins

02-01-2015, 03:58 AM #17

raidaru

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02-02-2015, 06:26 AM #18

(06-20-2011, 04:25 PM)dcm
(06-20-2011, 01:40 AM)dieselmeken Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

Ok thanks for the info.

I have a Garrett GT2359V and will be programming the ECU to control the vanes. The car already has an intercooler fitted.

I’m struggling to find any info on the standard boost level or what the turbo can safely run?

Will u use modified EGR map and a N75 valve to control vanes on turbocharger?

lost in the diesel universe.............

raidaru

02-02-2015, 06:26 AM #18

(06-20-2011, 04:25 PM)dcm
(06-20-2011, 01:40 AM)dieselmeken Answer from the dieselworkshop.
1418305554 has a retarded slot for later ignition at low fuel quantity 553 doesent have that.

Ok thanks for the info.

I have a Garrett GT2359V and will be programming the ECU to control the vanes. The car already has an intercooler fitted.

I’m struggling to find any info on the standard boost level or what the turbo can safely run?

Will u use modified EGR map and a N75 valve to control vanes on turbocharger?

lost in the diesel universe.............

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