W202 220D om604 +P
W202 220D om604 +P
02-05-2015, 07:02 PM
#51
I understand what you mean and I can say you are lucky. 044 is not a good suction pump, I know people that have had major problem just having the pump a centimeter above the end of the tank. I will build a catch tank just to make sure that I always have fuel.
I will run 3bar all the time. That worked awesome on the om605 so it's the way I will do it.
(02-05-2015, 06:32 PM)erx Is the headgasket made from metal or is it soft material like OM603? I really thought that rods go first.
Why are you going to use separate catch tank for fuel? I have 044 pump with FPR under the bonnet, fuel lines under the body and fuel tank are stock. I made it like that - fuel comes from tank to 044, after 044 there are FPR and from FPR overflow is not going back to fuel tank but it's running in little circle under the bonnet back to 044. Return line to fuel tank is stock from filter housing. I have fuel pressure 1 bar on idle and about 3 bar on max boost like Dieselmeken recommended. Maybe if I take picture you'll understand what i'm trying to explain.
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Organic shit gasket, but will swap to a metal one
I understand what you mean and I can say you are lucky. 044 is not a good suction pump, I know people that have had major problem just having the pump a centimeter above the end of the tank. I will build a catch tank just to make sure that I always have fuel.
I will run 3bar all the time. That worked awesome on the om605 so it's the way I will do it.
(02-05-2015, 06:32 PM)erx Is the headgasket made from metal or is it soft material like OM603? I really thought that rods go first.
Why are you going to use separate catch tank for fuel? I have 044 pump with FPR under the bonnet, fuel lines under the body and fuel tank are stock. I made it like that - fuel comes from tank to 044, after 044 there are FPR and from FPR overflow is not going back to fuel tank but it's running in little circle under the bonnet back to 044. Return line to fuel tank is stock from filter housing. I have fuel pressure 1 bar on idle and about 3 bar on max boost like Dieselmeken recommended. Maybe if I take picture you'll understand what i'm trying to explain.
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02-05-2015, 08:03 PM
#52
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02-05-2015, 08:03 PM #52do u know wich company makes good metal head gaskets for om60x? i curently need for om606
02-05-2015, 11:42 PM
#53
Why are you going to use separate catch tank for fuel? I have 044 pump with FPR under the bonnet, fuel lines under the body and fuel tank are stock. I made it like that - fuel comes from tank to 044, after 044 there are FPR and from FPR overflow is not going back to fuel tank but it's running in little circle under the bonnet back to 044. Return line to fuel tank is stock from filter housing. I have fuel pressure 1 bar on idle and about 3 bar on max boost like Dieselmeken recommended. Maybe if I take picture you'll understand what i'm trying to explain.
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I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
maxypriest
02-05-2015, 11:42 PM #53[/quote]
Why are you going to use separate catch tank for fuel? I have 044 pump with FPR under the bonnet, fuel lines under the body and fuel tank are stock. I made it like that - fuel comes from tank to 044, after 044 there are FPR and from FPR overflow is not going back to fuel tank but it's running in little circle under the bonnet back to 044. Return line to fuel tank is stock from filter housing. I have fuel pressure 1 bar on idle and about 3 bar on max boost like Dieselmeken recommended. Maybe if I take picture you'll understand what i'm trying to explain.
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I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
W124 om606 HX40 finished and it's a beauty 450bhp/456ft-lbs
02-06-2015, 04:02 AM
#54
(02-05-2015, 08:03 PM)Sjevsspeed.nl do u know wich company makes good metal head gaskets for om60x? i curently need for om606
All normal FPR have a boost connection so if you have 0,5bar at idle you will have 3bar when boosting 2.5bar.
I will run a Tomei FPR set at a steady 3bar.
(02-05-2015, 11:42 PM)maxypriest I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
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(02-05-2015, 08:03 PM)Sjevsspeed.nl do u know wich company makes good metal head gaskets for om60x? i curently need for om606
All normal FPR have a boost connection so if you have 0,5bar at idle you will have 3bar when boosting 2.5bar.
I will run a Tomei FPR set at a steady 3bar.
(02-05-2015, 11:42 PM)maxypriest I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
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02-06-2015, 05:15 AM
#56
(02-06-2015, 04:22 AM)erx I also have Tomei FPR, actually it's chinese replica but it'll do it's job.
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Hahahaha same here
(02-06-2015, 04:22 AM)erx I also have Tomei FPR, actually it's chinese replica but it'll do it's job.
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02-06-2015, 05:39 AM
#57
i do suply malpassi fpr, theire not cheap but verry high quality
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02-06-2015, 05:39 AM #57good to hear about the headgasket, then il leave the head on for now, also im going to source the best kind of valvesprings i can find for om60x engines,
i do suply malpassi fpr, theire not cheap but verry high quality
02-06-2015, 05:59 AM
#58
(02-06-2015, 05:39 AM)Sjevsspeed.nl good to hear about the headgasket, then il leave the head on for now, also im going to source the best kind of valvesprings i can find for om60x engines,
i do suply malpassi fpr, theire not cheap but verry high quality
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(02-06-2015, 05:39 AM)Sjevsspeed.nl good to hear about the headgasket, then il leave the head on for now, also im going to source the best kind of valvesprings i can find for om60x engines,
i do suply malpassi fpr, theire not cheap but verry high quality
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02-06-2015, 06:12 AM
#59
(02-06-2015, 04:02 AM)F.R.A.S Stock turbo gasket (elring) is super quality and multi layer steelCan u put some links with that "normal" FPR that is actually a progressive by boost FPR? All I have found are fix flow, not progressive by boost.Thanks
(02-05-2015, 08:03 PM)Sjevsspeed.nl do u know wich company makes good metal head gaskets for om60x? i curently need for om606
All normal FPR have a boost connection so if you have 0,5bar at idle you will have 3bar when boosting 2.5bar.
I will run a Tomei FPR set at a steady 3bar.
(02-05-2015, 11:42 PM)maxypriest I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
lost in the diesel universe.............
(02-06-2015, 04:02 AM)F.R.A.S Stock turbo gasket (elring) is super quality and multi layer steelCan u put some links with that "normal" FPR that is actually a progressive by boost FPR? All I have found are fix flow, not progressive by boost.Thanks
(02-05-2015, 08:03 PM)Sjevsspeed.nl do u know wich company makes good metal head gaskets for om60x? i curently need for om606
All normal FPR have a boost connection so if you have 0,5bar at idle you will have 3bar when boosting 2.5bar.
I will run a Tomei FPR set at a steady 3bar.
(02-05-2015, 11:42 PM)maxypriest I take it you have a rising rate FPR that can handle 1-3bar fuel pressure?
What's make etc?
Cheers,
Max
lost in the diesel universe.............
02-06-2015, 06:21 AM
#60
these are al the ones that i sell, though the page is in dutch maybe a tranlator wil work
1st is for carburerot
2nd is the fixed one
3rd and 4rt are the progressive one
and 5ft is for turbo carb engines
so u would need the 3rd or 4rt
shipping in europe is no problem
This post was last modified: 02-06-2015, 06:25 AM by Sjevsspeed.nl.
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02-06-2015, 06:21 AM #60i have both fixed and progressive , http://limpexautosport.nl/producten/benz...regelaars/
these are al the ones that i sell, though the page is in dutch maybe a tranlator wil work
1st is for carburerot
2nd is the fixed one
3rd and 4rt are the progressive one
and 5ft is for turbo carb engines
so u would need the 3rd or 4rt
shipping in europe is no problem
02-06-2015, 04:30 PM
#61
Progressive is only used when going super budget turbo build on a petrol engine. In those cases you can have a 1:1,5 progressive maybe witch means you have 3bar on atmospheric pressure and 4,5bar on 1bar off boost.
A normal linear FPR is 1:1 and 3bar on atmospheric pressure = 4bar on 1bar boost.
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Fixed? All FPR are boost activated, even on stock cars. As you may have noticed there is always a vacuum hose connected to it
Progressive is only used when going super budget turbo build on a petrol engine. In those cases you can have a 1:1,5 progressive maybe witch means you have 3bar on atmospheric pressure and 4,5bar on 1bar off boost.
A normal linear FPR is 1:1 and 3bar on atmospheric pressure = 4bar on 1bar boost.
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02-07-2015, 11:43 AM
#62
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02-07-2015, 11:43 AM #62I also have fixed regulators whitout a vacuum connection but i rarely use. Sometimes on full mappable cars
02-12-2015, 03:29 AM
#63
It's in Swedish but I'll translate for you
# Motor
# Holley Black
# Fuel filter
# Catch tank
# Bosch 044
# Dieselmeken 8mm IP
# FPR
# Fuel towards engine
# Fuel return
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Ok guys, did this sketch yesterday for a guy who asked about FPR on a diesel. This is how my system looks like. Holley black can be replaced with stock lift pump.
It's in Swedish but I'll translate for you
# Motor
# Holley Black
# Fuel filter
# Catch tank
# Bosch 044
# Dieselmeken 8mm IP
# FPR
# Fuel towards engine
# Fuel return
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02-12-2015, 04:08 AM
#64
This post was last modified: 02-12-2015, 04:09 AM by erx.
Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
02-12-2015, 08:35 AM
#65
(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I think this System ist build without the Stock Return Pressure Regulater inside the Screw/Banjobolt at the back of the IP.
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93´ W124 300TDT -> OM606.962 / RS 203 Dieselmeken 7,5mm 210cc / KKK K14 / Stock Transmission / 2,65 ASD
89´ 190D 2.5 Turbo -> OM605.960 / Dieselmeken 7,5mm 180cc / Holset HX30 Super / 716. 654 6-Speed / 2,87 Rear Axle
(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I think this System ist build without the Stock Return Pressure Regulater inside the Screw/Banjobolt at the back of the IP.
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93´ W124 300TDT -> OM606.962 / RS 203 Dieselmeken 7,5mm 210cc / KKK K14 / Stock Transmission / 2,65 ASD
89´ 190D 2.5 Turbo -> OM605.960 / Dieselmeken 7,5mm 180cc / Holset HX30 Super / 716. 654 6-Speed / 2,87 Rear Axle
02-12-2015, 11:01 AM
#66
(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
nothing works...Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
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(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
nothing works...Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
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I can help you out with all your manual transmission, clutch, flywheel, intake and exhaust manifold issues.
02-12-2015, 12:37 PM
#67
(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.SWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.SWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
02-12-2015, 12:50 PM
#68
(02-12-2015, 12:37 PM)erx(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.SWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
I'm pretty sure your setup will make a lot less power then a real fuel system. I had a Holley Black with maxed out fuel pressure and only managed 2.5bar. With the new fuel system I will max out my turbo
Right now you are feeding the IP with your return line (from FPR) and that's not a lot off fuel. You would be better off with stock lift pump.
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(02-12-2015, 12:37 PM)erx(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.SWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.(02-12-2015, 04:08 AM)erx Is this scheme proven by someone? Can IP flow all that fuel quantity 044 is pumping? I have FPR before pump and with 3 bar most of the fuel goes to fuel return from FPR. It seems like IP can only take fuel that it needs, it is not circulating to fuel return, otherwise genuine lift pump couldn't make any pressure if it flows so easily through.
I HATE THE NEW FORUM
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
I'm pretty sure your setup will make a lot less power then a real fuel system. I had a Holley Black with maxed out fuel pressure and only managed 2.5bar. With the new fuel system I will max out my turbo
Right now you are feeding the IP with your return line (from FPR) and that's not a lot off fuel. You would be better off with stock lift pump.
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02-12-2015, 01:31 PM
#69
(02-12-2015, 12:50 PM)F.R.A.S(02-12-2015, 12:37 PM)erx(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.S I HATE THE NEW FORUMWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
I'm pretty sure your setup will make a lot less power then a real fuel system. I had a Holley Black with maxed out fuel pressure and only managed 2.5bar. With the new fuel system I will max out my turbo
Right now you are feeding the IP with your return line (from FPR) and that's not a lot off fuel. You would be better off with stock lift pump.
Huh, I'm not so good in technical english so I'll try to explain. I'm not saying your system is not good, it's better than my version but I just wanted to keep it stock and simple as much as possible. You think I put FPR between 044 and IP, ofcourse that way it makes no sense. Pump and FPR are running a little circuit before IP, holding pressure on IP inlet. Don't remember last time when I used Paint.
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(02-12-2015, 12:50 PM)F.R.A.S(02-12-2015, 12:37 PM)erx(02-12-2015, 11:01 AM)F.R.A.S I HATE THE NEW FORUMWell, then it makes sense if there isn't restriction, then it's proper system. With restrictive banjo bolt FPR would be useless on that scheme.
Off course this is proven THIS is how you do it. If you have the FPR before the IP, please tell me why you have that, how that work and what fuel pressure you have inside the IP.
And as the next guy said off course I don't have the factory restriction on the return side of the IP.
I use stock filter housing and stock return line, basically I just replaced stock lift pump with 044 and FPR. I use stock restriction banjo bolt, it also works as one way valve so fuel can't flow back when engine is not running. Maybe that's why it works without catch tank.
I'm pretty sure your setup will make a lot less power then a real fuel system. I had a Holley Black with maxed out fuel pressure and only managed 2.5bar. With the new fuel system I will max out my turbo
Right now you are feeding the IP with your return line (from FPR) and that's not a lot off fuel. You would be better off with stock lift pump.
Huh, I'm not so good in technical english so I'll try to explain. I'm not saying your system is not good, it's better than my version but I just wanted to keep it stock and simple as much as possible. You think I put FPR between 044 and IP, ofcourse that way it makes no sense. Pump and FPR are running a little circuit before IP, holding pressure on IP inlet. Don't remember last time when I used Paint.
02-12-2015, 06:49 PM
#70
(02-12-2015, 01:31 PM)erx Huh, I'm not so good in technical english so I'll try to explain. I'm not saying your system is not good, it's better than my version but I just wanted to keep it stock and simple as much as possible. You think I put FPR between 044 and IP, ofcourse that way it makes no sense. Pump and FPR are running a little circuit before IP, holding pressure on IP inlet. Don't remember last time when I used Paint.
Alright, that makes more sense
It's like a lot off new cars have actually.
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(02-12-2015, 01:31 PM)erx Huh, I'm not so good in technical english so I'll try to explain. I'm not saying your system is not good, it's better than my version but I just wanted to keep it stock and simple as much as possible. You think I put FPR between 044 and IP, ofcourse that way it makes no sense. Pump and FPR are running a little circuit before IP, holding pressure on IP inlet. Don't remember last time when I used Paint.
Alright, that makes more sense
It's like a lot off new cars have actually.
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02-15-2015, 04:14 AM
#71
Have you changed the head gasket yet? will you use a 2.5L 0r 3.0L turbo gasket(bore 87mm) or a gasket from 2.9 sprinter or OM603 3.5L since they have the same bore 89mm as the OM604? I don't know if the 2.9 or the 3.5 has a multilayer metal gasket?
Hi this is a great tread
Have you changed the head gasket yet? will you use a 2.5L 0r 3.0L turbo gasket(bore 87mm) or a gasket from 2.9 sprinter or OM603 3.5L since they have the same bore 89mm as the OM604? I don't know if the 2.9 or the 3.5 has a multilayer metal gasket?
02-15-2015, 05:13 AM
#72
(02-15-2015, 04:14 AM)erling66 Hi this is a great tread
Have you changed the head gasket yet? will you use a 2.5L 0r 3.0L turbo gasket(bore 87mm) or a gasket from 2.9 sprinter or OM603 3.5L since they have the same bore 89mm as the OM604? I don't know if the 2.9 or the 3.5 has a multilayer metal gasket?
Thanks
I will use a om605 gasket and machine the bore to 89mm and also cut the last cylinder off
Have made a 450x200x10mm steel plate with 89,5mm bore and 5mm deep. Will bolt the gasket to that and put it in the CNC-mill
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(02-15-2015, 04:14 AM)erling66 Hi this is a great tread
Have you changed the head gasket yet? will you use a 2.5L 0r 3.0L turbo gasket(bore 87mm) or a gasket from 2.9 sprinter or OM603 3.5L since they have the same bore 89mm as the OM604? I don't know if the 2.9 or the 3.5 has a multilayer metal gasket?
Thanks
I will use a om605 gasket and machine the bore to 89mm and also cut the last cylinder off
Have made a 450x200x10mm steel plate with 89,5mm bore and 5mm deep. Will bolt the gasket to that and put it in the CNC-mill
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02-23-2015, 01:05 PM
#73
Will check the fueling with Dieselmeken and see what he says.
Gonna go with the stock om605.962 MLS gasket machined to the 89mm bore and are gonna go forged rods. Hooked a really awesome connection to the company and have to try the stuff out. From now on we are selling forged rods for both the n/a engines (26mm) and the turbo engines (28mm).
My engine have done 350.000km and I will not change either main bearings or rod bearings on it, not take stuff out and balance it or anything. If this engine can do +125hp/cyl over the summer every STDer in the world have to run my rods
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Thinking a bit now when the car is torn down. Might need to go compound now when I'm aiming for +500whp. Might need more fuel though
Will check the fueling with Dieselmeken and see what he says.
Gonna go with the stock om605.962 MLS gasket machined to the 89mm bore and are gonna go forged rods. Hooked a really awesome connection to the company and have to try the stuff out. From now on we are selling forged rods for both the n/a engines (26mm) and the turbo engines (28mm).
My engine have done 350.000km and I will not change either main bearings or rod bearings on it, not take stuff out and balance it or anything. If this engine can do +125hp/cyl over the summer every STDer in the world have to run my rods
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02-25-2015, 03:52 PM
#75
(02-23-2015, 02:48 PM)Duncansport Hows that T56 adapter going :-)
The T56 is on it's way just have so much to do right now
Will install the forged rods in the om604 tomorrow. That will be fun
This weekend the head gasket will be machined and next week I hope to boost the turbo out in the atmosphere
Have to be able to do 3.2bar with this turbo and then it's time to do some compound setup and make some real power. Will NOT stop until I have some 500hp.
Hope to be able to post some pictures tomorrow...
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(02-23-2015, 02:48 PM)Duncansport Hows that T56 adapter going :-)
The T56 is on it's way just have so much to do right now
Will install the forged rods in the om604 tomorrow. That will be fun
This weekend the head gasket will be machined and next week I hope to boost the turbo out in the atmosphere
Have to be able to do 3.2bar with this turbo and then it's time to do some compound setup and make some real power. Will NOT stop until I have some 500hp.
Hope to be able to post some pictures tomorrow...
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02-26-2015, 12:21 PM
#76
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02-28-2015, 11:44 AM
#77
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
So, you're using stock pistons? Are the H-rods the only mod on the insade of the engine? Mental. I was going to build on OM604 ST but i thought that the pistons/headgasget wouldn't make it. Have you thinked about om601 bottom and om604 cylinderhead together? Could use 605/606 turbo rods/pistons!
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
02-28-2015, 12:10 PM
#78
(02-28-2015, 11:44 AM)saquzi So, you're using stock pistons? Are the H-rods the only mod on the insade of the engine? Mental. I was going to build on OM604 ST but i thought that the pistons/headgasget wouldn't make it. Have you thinked about om601 bottom and om604 cylinderhead together? Could use 605/606 turbo rods/pistons!
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
Yes I have stock pistons.
Steel headgasket and forged rods are the only modification of the engine. Om601 bottom don't have oil squirters and I like the 2.2-liter and I don't see no reason to change pistons.
I hope to run out of fuel, then I know I have some good power
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(02-28-2015, 11:44 AM)saquzi So, you're using stock pistons? Are the H-rods the only mod on the insade of the engine? Mental. I was going to build on OM604 ST but i thought that the pistons/headgasget wouldn't make it. Have you thinked about om601 bottom and om604 cylinderhead together? Could use 605/606 turbo rods/pistons!
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
Yes I have stock pistons.
Steel headgasket and forged rods are the only modification of the engine. Om601 bottom don't have oil squirters and I like the 2.2-liter and I don't see no reason to change pistons.
I hope to run out of fuel, then I know I have some good power
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02-28-2015, 12:43 PM
#79
(02-28-2015, 12:10 PM)F.R.A.Sif u run out of fuel u can always add other fuel 8-)(02-28-2015, 11:44 AM)saquzi So, you're using stock pistons? Are the H-rods the only mod on the insade of the engine? Mental. I was going to build on OM604 ST but i thought that the pistons/headgasget wouldn't make it. Have you thinked about om601 bottom and om604 cylinderhead together? Could use 605/606 turbo rods/pistons!
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
Yes I have stock pistons.
Steel headgasket and forged rods are the only modification of the engine. Om601 bottom don't have oil squirters and I like the 2.2-liter and I don't see no reason to change pistons.
I hope to run out of fuel, then I know I have some good power
lost in the diesel universe.............
(02-28-2015, 12:10 PM)F.R.A.Sif u run out of fuel u can always add other fuel 8-)(02-28-2015, 11:44 AM)saquzi So, you're using stock pistons? Are the H-rods the only mod on the insade of the engine? Mental. I was going to build on OM604 ST but i thought that the pistons/headgasget wouldn't make it. Have you thinked about om601 bottom and om604 cylinderhead together? Could use 605/606 turbo rods/pistons!
Still, those powers and boost with original rods... I'm impressed!
Yes I have stock pistons.
Steel headgasket and forged rods are the only modification of the engine. Om601 bottom don't have oil squirters and I like the 2.2-liter and I don't see no reason to change pistons.
I hope to run out of fuel, then I know I have some good power
lost in the diesel universe.............
02-28-2015, 01:20 PM
#80
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02-28-2015, 02:17 PM
#82
(02-28-2015, 02:09 PM)hents99 Are those rods from SPM ?
I actually don't know who makes there rods but it might be the same.
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(02-28-2015, 02:09 PM)hents99 Are those rods from SPM ?
I actually don't know who makes there rods but it might be the same.
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02-28-2015, 02:27 PM
#83
I haven`t seen anything else instead of chinese h-beam rods. All high end brands.......I use SPM rods in my 2.3-16 turbo engine and I`m happy with it. I have installed many different brand rods and to be honest all is the same....Prices are different.
I have sourced rods for OM606 and SPM seems to have rods for at least OM606 engine.
This post was last modified: 02-28-2015, 02:30 PM by hents99.
Chinese made but it doesn`t matter I haven`t seen anything else instead of chinese h-beam rods. All high end brands.......
I use SPM rods in my 2.3-16 turbo engine and I`m happy with it. I have installed many different brand rods and to be honest all is the same....Prices are different.
I have sourced rods for OM606 and SPM seems to have rods for at least OM606 engine.
02-28-2015, 02:37 PM
#84
(02-28-2015, 02:27 PM)hents99 Chinese made but it doesn`t matter
I use SPM rods in my 2.3-16 turbo engine and I`m happy with it. I have installed many different brand rods and to be honest all is the same....Prices are different.
I have sourced rods for OM606 and SPM seems to have rods for at least OM606 engine.
You can buy from me
It's always up to the engine builder to make sure everything is up to spec. Even an expensive rod can have something out of spec so if everything is checked and gone through it will be ok. Regarding SPM people have been doing 1300whp with 4cyl with there rods. But mine are as good
I only have for the Mercedes diesels though...
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(02-28-2015, 02:27 PM)hents99 Chinese made but it doesn`t matter
I use SPM rods in my 2.3-16 turbo engine and I`m happy with it. I have installed many different brand rods and to be honest all is the same....Prices are different.
I have sourced rods for OM606 and SPM seems to have rods for at least OM606 engine.
You can buy from me
It's always up to the engine builder to make sure everything is up to spec. Even an expensive rod can have something out of spec so if everything is checked and gone through it will be ok. Regarding SPM people have been doing 1300whp with 4cyl with there rods. But mine are as good
I only have for the Mercedes diesels though...
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02-28-2015, 02:48 PM
#85
It`s necessary to measure at least big end bore.
Better brands inspecting rods before selling them.
What`s the price of rod you`re selling?
Of course. I`m telling that all reasonable priced (steel, aluminum is expensive anyway) rods are from China. No matter what brand name it has. Made in China doesn`t mean automatically it`s crap. I`m agree with you.
It`s necessary to measure at least big end bore.
Better brands inspecting rods before selling them.
What`s the price of rod you`re selling?
03-03-2015, 02:28 PM
#86
I think he just drilled them from gasser 20 or 22mm pin to 28mm diesel pin...
This post was last modified: 03-03-2015, 02:29 PM by EDH_Performance.
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03-03-2015, 02:28 PM #86The spm rods is very thin in the material surrounding the little end bearing...Jeemu stretched the little end at 7400rpm... How thick are your rods in the little end fred?
I think he just drilled them from gasser 20 or 22mm pin to 28mm diesel pin...
03-03-2015, 04:51 PM
#87
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The 28mm rods are not as massive as the stock rods in the little end and it seems like it's difficult to find rods for good money that is as tough as I want. But these ones looks and feels really solid so I'll try them out for a bit. The 26mm version is already mounted in the om604 (this car in the thread).
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03-05-2015, 01:30 PM
#88
A friend of mine had a set made by Verdi for his OM606, and i think Teemu Peltola also bought a set.
Don't remember the exact price per piece but they weren't ridicously expensive...
My friends car: https://www.facebook.com/016driftteam
F Y I, there are actually Swedish-made rods available at: www.autoverdi.com/
A friend of mine had a set made by Verdi for his OM606, and i think Teemu Peltola also bought a set.
Don't remember the exact price per piece but they weren't ridicously expensive...
My friends car: https://www.facebook.com/016driftteam
03-05-2015, 02:20 PM
#89
(03-05-2015, 01:30 PM)bonden_85 F Y I, there are actually Swedish-made rods available at: www.autoverdi.com/
A friend of mine had a set made by Verdi for his OM606, and i think Teemu Peltola also bought a set.
Don't remember the exact price per piece but they weren't ridicously expensive...
My friends car: https://www.facebook.com/016driftteam
i've heard price of these Verdi rods 1300-1400 euros for 606.
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(03-05-2015, 01:30 PM)bonden_85 F Y I, there are actually Swedish-made rods available at: www.autoverdi.com/
A friend of mine had a set made by Verdi for his OM606, and i think Teemu Peltola also bought a set.
Don't remember the exact price per piece but they weren't ridicously expensive...
My friends car: https://www.facebook.com/016driftteam
i've heard price of these Verdi rods 1300-1400 euros for 606.
03-06-2015, 03:51 AM
#90
I aksed a serious manufacture about rods, it was not 300M steel but from a nother manufacturer heat treated... and the cost was not that much bigger i think the dfferance against this was 500kr/rod
the orgininally rods in om606 is quite tuff, I have not seen anyone braking one even if they went out the block, so you you really need to ask your self do you really need then, then of course all new stuff is allways fun
I love your build fras!
was it the GT3071R you where using
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I have spoken to the verdi seller, it amaze me all the time what people buy without any specificantion for what they are made for, and to say it holds in a 1300hp engie just say how little you know, the peak combustion presure in a diesel i way higher then in petrol engine, I said that to the sellers answer if I had a gas turbine, lol he was really killing me
I aksed a serious manufacture about rods, it was not 300M steel but from a nother manufacturer heat treated... and the cost was not that much bigger i think the dfferance against this was 500kr/rod
the orgininally rods in om606 is quite tuff, I have not seen anyone braking one even if they went out the block, so you you really need to ask your self do you really need then, then of course all new stuff is allways fun
I love your build fras!
was it the GT3071R you where using
03-06-2015, 05:01 AM
#91
(03-06-2015, 03:51 AM)Turbo I have spoken to the verdi seller, it amaze me all the time what people buy without any specificantion for what they are made for, and to say it holds in a 1300hp engie just say how little you know, the peak combustion presure in a diesel i way higher then in petrol engine, I said that to the sellers answer if I had a gas turbine, lol he was really killing me
I aksed a serious manufacture about rods, it was not 300M steel but from a nother manufacturer heat treated... and the cost was not that much bigger i think the dfferance against this was 500kr/rod
the orgininally rods in om606 is quite tuff, I have not seen anyone braking one even if they went out the block, so you you really need to ask your self do you really need then, then of course all new stuff is allways fun
I love your build fras!
was it the GT3071R you where using
Note that he had a non turbo engine to begin with. And those rods are weaker.
(03-06-2015, 03:51 AM)Turbo I have spoken to the verdi seller, it amaze me all the time what people buy without any specificantion for what they are made for, and to say it holds in a 1300hp engie just say how little you know, the peak combustion presure in a diesel i way higher then in petrol engine, I said that to the sellers answer if I had a gas turbine, lol he was really killing me
I aksed a serious manufacture about rods, it was not 300M steel but from a nother manufacturer heat treated... and the cost was not that much bigger i think the dfferance against this was 500kr/rod
the orgininally rods in om606 is quite tuff, I have not seen anyone braking one even if they went out the block, so you you really need to ask your self do you really need then, then of course all new stuff is allways fun
I love your build fras!
was it the GT3071R you where using
Note that he had a non turbo engine to begin with. And those rods are weaker.
03-06-2015, 09:17 AM
#94
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03-06-2015, 09:17 AM #94If you look at the autoverdi rods compared to the other around, you see clearly difference!
03-06-2015, 04:35 PM
#95
I've been speaking to Mr Stefan Verdi himself a dozen times.
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I have the gt3076r Chinese clone turbo. 2.5bar @ 3000rpm is what I've been running with N/A rods with no failure.
I've been speaking to Mr Stefan Verdi himself a dozen times.
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03-06-2015, 05:12 PM
#96
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
looks like it is going to be a monster 4 pot diesel
1#
Volvo 940 estate 1995
Originaly a d24tic
Changed to OM606.962 From the old 81 Benz
4" dp, 3,5" stainless from DP out.
8mm dieselmeken pump att 180cc
BW kkk K29 turbo, 15cm hot side
home made flywheel with sachs 765PP and original mercedes 240mm organic disc
6speed cdi box
4,5" humongus cooler
Please wait, loading boost
03-07-2015, 03:23 AM
#97
(03-06-2015, 05:12 PM)Ksteen2 looks like it is going to be a monster 4 pot diesel
Thanks
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(03-06-2015, 05:12 PM)Ksteen2 looks like it is going to be a monster 4 pot diesel
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03-07-2015, 03:25 AM
#98
(03-06-2015, 04:35 PM)F.R.A.S How is the quality on these turbos and how well balanced are they? How much boost do you dare? Majesty78 said in the past you should be careful when running high boost with the GTX series of turbo(Garrett), but he never did developit even if I did ask him to develop
I have the gt3076r Chinese clone turbo. 2.5bar @ 3000rpm is what I've been running with N/A rods with no failure.
I've been speaking to Mr Stefan Verdi himself a dozen times.
(03-06-2015, 04:35 PM)F.R.A.S How is the quality on these turbos and how well balanced are they? How much boost do you dare? Majesty78 said in the past you should be careful when running high boost with the GTX series of turbo(Garrett), but he never did developit even if I did ask him to develop
I have the gt3076r Chinese clone turbo. 2.5bar @ 3000rpm is what I've been running with N/A rods with no failure.
I've been speaking to Mr Stefan Verdi himself a dozen times.
03-07-2015, 05:53 AM
#99
I just hope it will manage +3bar of boost before it dies.We have tried the Chinese clone gtx3582r at over 3bar on a om606 so I think it works
The brand new GTW-series from Garrett will be a good diesel turbo with it's wider compressor map and ability to handle more boost.
Cheers / F
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You more or less get what you pay for. We buy quite a few clones so we have some trusted vendors and some vendors we try out. This turbo is medium quality from as far as I've seen. I have a bit of shaft play but I've been running maybe 1000km with 2.5bar of boost and no air filter I just hope it will manage +3bar of boost before it dies.
We have tried the Chinese clone gtx3582r at over 3bar on a om606 so I think it works
The brand new GTW-series from Garrett will be a good diesel turbo with it's wider compressor map and ability to handle more boost.
Cheers / F
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03-07-2015, 07:50 AM
#100
(03-07-2015, 05:53 AM)F.R.A.S ok, thanks for intput
Yes the new series from garrett would be interesting, if they only could make it work so you could see the compressormap, I am building a turbo but I can not say that I like the GTX3576R compressor wheel that much since, resistance against surge is not as good as I would like...
You more or less get what you pay for. We buy quite a few clones so we have some trusted vendors and some vendors we try out. This turbo is medium quality from as far as I've seen. I have a bit of shaft play but I've been running maybe 1000km with 2.5bar of boost and no air filter
We have tried the Chinese clone gtx3582r at over 3bar on a om606 so I think it works
The brand new GTW-series from Garrett will be a good diesel turbo with it's wider compressor map and ability to handle more boost.
Cheers / F
(03-07-2015, 05:53 AM)F.R.A.S ok, thanks for intput
Yes the new series from garrett would be interesting, if they only could make it work so you could see the compressormap, I am building a turbo but I can not say that I like the GTX3576R compressor wheel that much since, resistance against surge is not as good as I would like...
You more or less get what you pay for. We buy quite a few clones so we have some trusted vendors and some vendors we try out. This turbo is medium quality from as far as I've seen. I have a bit of shaft play but I've been running maybe 1000km with 2.5bar of boost and no air filter
We have tried the Chinese clone gtx3582r at over 3bar on a om606 so I think it works
The brand new GTW-series from Garrett will be a good diesel turbo with it's wider compressor map and ability to handle more boost.
Cheers / F
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