400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi?
400hp w210, om606 Turbo or 320cdi?
(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
(02-18-2012, 02:08 AM)majesty78 Are you talking about importperformancetrans (IPT) ?
I emailed them two or three times; never received a reply .... :-(
(02-18-2012, 02:08 AM)majesty78 Are you talking about importperformancetrans (IPT) ?
I emailed them two or three times; never received a reply .... :-(
(02-19-2012, 02:05 PM)tuikku(02-18-2012, 01:34 PM)diesel2fast4u(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
C30cdi pump?
Yes it is.
(02-19-2012, 02:05 PM)tuikku(02-18-2012, 01:34 PM)diesel2fast4u(10-18-2011, 01:13 PM)tuikku .
Holset works well.
Veryvery near the orig charger.
Quiet.
1bar, a bit over 2000rpm, 2bar before 3000rpm.
C30cdi pump?
Yes it is.
I hope Mr. Tuikku doesn't mind ^^ :
A0061536528
Rail pressure sensor
hi boys excused the language but am I using google traslated, thing it means 12cm or 16mm in general unloading, to which ar it corresponds? you excuse me I am Italian and I don't know this type of measures, I would want to climb on on my bmw330d a turbocharger as hx35 or a gtx3071r which of the two according to you from less lag, would want to do on the 380hp
(01-16-2011, 05:15 AM)tuikkuhello!(01-15-2011, 06:38 PM)Riverstick Hi Tuikku...
1. China
2. Maybe the line itself from tank to engine is ok.
But extra pump is a good suggestion.
I personally prefer some cheaper solution, maybe just simple fuel-pump near tank with over-pressure and over flow cut-off.
First the orig parts in very very good shape.
3. Part number is A6120700287
Bosch 0445110 151 or ...152
4. No, it is still equal, program orders it.
That means larger fuelling, all the time, if it is not corrected to right from program.
Wrong air/fuel rate, smoke.
But, if it is told "right" in program, ewerything works, like orig again.
Not vey difficult, but needs work.
(01-16-2011, 05:15 AM)tuikkuhello!(01-15-2011, 06:38 PM)Riverstick Hi Tuikku...
1. China
2. Maybe the line itself from tank to engine is ok.
But extra pump is a good suggestion.
I personally prefer some cheaper solution, maybe just simple fuel-pump near tank with over-pressure and over flow cut-off.
First the orig parts in very very good shape.
3. Part number is A6120700287
Bosch 0445110 151 or ...152
4. No, it is still equal, program orders it.
That means larger fuelling, all the time, if it is not corrected to right from program.
Wrong air/fuel rate, smoke.
But, if it is told "right" in program, ewerything works, like orig again.
Not vey difficult, but needs work.
.
Heh
Yet I found this old thread ...
I do not have MB in me any more, my wife still driving a one.
Ihave now a BMW 530, nearly stock.
Majesty78 (Alex) made a hybrid turbo for that.
Other mods are just "basic", better cooler and downpipe.
Stock injectors waren´t as big as I was expected.
But still gives quite a nice power.
SW made by me
My very good friend here have a 320cdi V6 (W211)
MB has better injectors, piezo.
Otherwise same mods, than me.
Turbo made by Antonmies
375 hp / 3740 rpm
845 Nm / 2771 rpm
He is still alive :-)
Nice to see results, BMW turbo spools up very fast I must say....870Nm @ 2200rpm is impressive!
(11-12-2014, 02:24 AM)tuikku .
Yes, I have had a difficult times, in many ways.
But, my BMW ...
I have just changed 535 injectors in it, maybe that is the final mod with that charger, which works well, very well, thank you.
(11-12-2014, 02:24 AM)tuikku .
Yes, I have had a difficult times, in many ways.
But, my BMW ...
I have just changed 535 injectors in it, maybe that is the final mod with that charger, which works well, very well, thank you.
.
One
You can ask about the turbomod from Alex or Antomies, both can do it.
Your "big question" is not the turbo, but decent software.
Quite a good results is possible only with chiptuning, without any changes in tech.
My car, stock with orig solenoid injectors and slippery turbine.
If you have E90/91 => piezo injectors => more power
E46 => power line is nonsense => lot of less
(11-11-2014, 10:43 AM)tuikku .
Heh
Yet I found this old thread ...
I do not have MB in me any more, my wife still driving a one.
Ihave now a BMW 530, nearly stock.
Majesty78 (Alex) made a hybrid turbo for that.
Other mods are just "basic", better cooler and downpipe.
Stock injectors waren´t as big as I was expected.
But still gives quite a nice power.
SW made by me
My very good friend here have a 320cdi V6 (W211)
MB has better injectors, piezo.
Otherwise same mods, than me.
Turbo made by Antonmies
375 hp / 3740 rpm
845 Nm / 2771 rpm
So Fenix one again rises
Nice to see you here again Tuikku
(11-11-2014, 10:43 AM)tuikku .
Heh
Yet I found this old thread ...
I do not have MB in me any more, my wife still driving a one.
Ihave now a BMW 530, nearly stock.
Majesty78 (Alex) made a hybrid turbo for that.
Other mods are just "basic", better cooler and downpipe.
Stock injectors waren´t as big as I was expected.
But still gives quite a nice power.
SW made by me
My very good friend here have a 320cdi V6 (W211)
MB has better injectors, piezo.
Otherwise same mods, than me.
Turbo made by Antonmies
375 hp / 3740 rpm
845 Nm / 2771 rpm
(11-13-2014, 12:29 AM)tuikku .
One
You can ask about the turbomod from Alex or Antomies, both can do it.
(11-13-2014, 12:29 AM)tuikku .
One
You can ask about the turbomod from Alex or Antomies, both can do it.
(11-14-2014, 10:39 AM)tuikku .
I do not know
I do not know, but I am using 1800bar
Max fuel rate ~125mg
Boost 2,1bar, not much
I do not know about the solenoid injectors in the BMW535D, but I guess that it is an earlier version then the CRI2-22. That is a solenoid injector that can take 2200 bar (CRi2-22) and is much faster then the old ones but it is quite hard to find out in what cars they are located, and that kind of information is not of Bosch Motorsport interest to give you. Tuikku have you looked at the CRI2-22?
Regarding Pizo injector, according to Bosch shall CRS3 system with CRI3-25 injectors with 2500bar be implemented 2014 and for racing purpose 3000bar is available, but like always information where they are to be found is for sure hard to find
(11-14-2014, 10:39 AM)tuikku .
I do not know
I do not know, but I am using 1800bar
Max fuel rate ~125mg
Boost 2,1bar, not much
(11-15-2014, 11:44 AM)tuikku .
No I haven´t
Do not need more fuelling.
"Problem" is max power in too low revs, fueling level is ok, no need for more.
Need more pulling revs.
.
At least 1000nm, but very difficult to reach that.
Max power issue comes from engine working principle.
With same true fuel injection rate 3500 => 4000rpm, you get at least 50-60 "free" hp.
In my car, good burning principle collapses just before 3500rpm, and there is no hp rising effect any more to 4000rpm.
(11-15-2014, 12:37 PM)tuikku .
At least 1000nm, but very difficult to reach that.
Max power issue comes from engine working principle.
With same true fuel injection rate 3500 => 4000rpm, you get at least 50-60 "free" hp.
In my car, good burning principle collapses just before 3500rpm, and there is no hp rising effect any more to 4000rpm.
But increased injection pressure would help combustion in higher rpm even you said earlier the more pressure the better
Tuikku at 1000nm what maximum combustion pressure are we speaking about?
OM613 was original made for 145bars and the om648 155bars, om642LS was for 180 bars and BMW new N57S engine is made for 200bars, injection pressure is maximum 2200bars on the later one.
Marhles steel Topweld pistons shall be able to take 250bars. Marhle they have some aluminium that can take 250 bars but they will not hold like the steel ones. Though Topweld piston is at this state not available for this compression height and bore we are speaking about here
(11-15-2014, 12:37 PM)tuikku .
At least 1000nm, but very difficult to reach that.
Max power issue comes from engine working principle.
With same true fuel injection rate 3500 => 4000rpm, you get at least 50-60 "free" hp.
In my car, good burning principle collapses just before 3500rpm, and there is no hp rising effect any more to 4000rpm.
.
Sorry
I cannot get the purpose of your writing now.
My English is not so very good, I have still very poor vocabulary.
I am already using as much rail pressure as the pump can produce and injectors stand, I am doing just as I have write earlier.
I do not know, or care.
Can you tell it ?
(11-15-2014, 05:30 PM)tuikku .
Sorry
I cannot get the purpose of your writing now.
My English is not so very good, I have still very poor vocabulary.
I am already using as much rail pressure as the pump can produce and injectors stand, I am doing just as I have write earlier.
I do not know, or care.
Can you tell it ?
if you load an engine a lot top combustion pressure is important to know how the engine is going to handle the mechanical load for reliability, perhaps that is not important to know for you, since you double the torque I was curious if you did know anything about this and taken some consideration.
By injecting more fuel at constant volume (Cv), it will increase per kg of fuel more heat and pressure since the gas Cv value is lower the when the volume is increasing (specific heat at konstant pressure Cp) and the piston is moving down, the first will give higher efficiency, but pressure and temperature will raise very quickly and can become a big problem.
If you do not care I am sorry to put up this question
(11-15-2014, 05:30 PM)tuikku .
Sorry
I cannot get the purpose of your writing now.
My English is not so very good, I have still very poor vocabulary.
I am already using as much rail pressure as the pump can produce and injectors stand, I am doing just as I have write earlier.
I do not know, or care.
Can you tell it ?
.
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
om606 is cheaper and more simple, cdi@400 hp will probably have 1000+nm that if not limited at low rev, will pretty much kill any "conventional" tranny. So if money not a problem, cdi, otherwise om606 all the waaaay
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
(01-31-2015, 01:03 PM)tuikku .
Thanks
Driving now with new, lightly ported head and stiffer valve springs, also new turbo.
Not bad, not bad ...
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .Is your engine the same as e90 engine family m57d30n2?
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
(12-20-2014, 06:46 AM)tuikku .Is your engine the same as e90 engine family m57d30n2?
~1000nm/400hp.
3L BMW E61 530d
Mods:
Big cooler.
3" downpipe, no cat/dpf/egr any more.
535d injectors, max fuel 130mg/hub (~2Xorig).
2260 hybrid turbo, made by Alex, max boost 2,1bar.
Strenghted transmission.
Quaife
Softw. me.
Max power comes in too low revs, ~3000rpm.
Otherwise ok, I am pleased.
Next I have to get max power to higher revs. Have a couple ideas for that.
And I have a other turbo too, made by Antonmies, whence I wait still a bit progress, though I understand that it is not very realistic ....
So spoolup for max. torque was about 800rpm earlier on mine but Antonmies version has better top end.
As always, there is a compromise to make :-)
What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
(04-02-2015, 01:20 PM)tuikku(04-01-2015, 03:55 PM)Riverstick What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
Very comfortable, easy to drive.
(04-02-2015, 01:20 PM)tuikku(04-01-2015, 03:55 PM)Riverstick What a fantastic result Tuikku...Well done....Well over 400 bhp and and close to 900nm. How is the M57 handling this output...Is it still a nice driveable unit?
Very comfortable, easy to drive.
well the really interesting, at least for me, part of tuning a om648 would be of
finding steel pistons so maximum combustion pressure could be raise from original 155 bar to say 250bars
if atomization would "need" no get up a raise of rail pressure to 2200-2400bars and that need Cri2-20 or pre-fable CRI2-22 injector since they are really much faster then original, and by using a CP3.3 NH2 rail pressure of 2200bars is reached
that s what I am trying to accomplish