where to find a good KKK K26?
where to find a good KKK K26?
will this swap give a faster spool up and quicker acceleration down low?
W116Lorinser
11-11-2009, 04:20 PM #1where can i find a good condition or new KKK K26 turbo to replace my stock turbo in my 1980 300sd turbo diesel.
will this swap give a faster spool up and quicker acceleration down low?
I got my k26 at a wrecking yard off a 1983-85??? w126 300sd
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-11-2009, 08:02 PM #2it did on my w116 1980 300sd very noticeable I also had a free flow air filter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqdexqX0bhM
I got my k26 at a wrecking yard off a 1983-85??? w126 300sd
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
also all 1983-1985 300sd have the KKK K26 turbo?
thanks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KKK-K26-T...ccessories
Is this the Turbo?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KKK-K26-T...ccessories
Is this the Turbo?
And is this a good one?
W116Lorinser
11-12-2009, 12:10 AM #3so this is a direct fit? any mods?
also all 1983-1985 300sd have the KKK K26 turbo?
thanks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KKK-K26-T...ccessories
Is this the Turbo?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KKK-K26-T...ccessories
Is this the Turbo?
And is this a good one?
Those used on Audi, Porsche and VW won't be bolt-on.
ForcedInduction
11-12-2009, 05:36 AM
#4
No. The K26 you need was only used on the OM617.
Those used on Audi, Porsche and VW won't be bolt-on.
1981 300SD 230k miles "Gently Modified" Daily Driver
1999 F-250 7.3L Power Stroke 150k miles "The Usual Mods" Tow Rig
1981 300SD 190k miles "Heavily Modified"
GONE
DrewGerhan
11-18-2009, 11:55 AM #5I've got one in my garage that is for sale. PM me if interested. It's in excellent condition.
1981 300SD 230k miles "Gently Modified" Daily Driver
1999 F-250 7.3L Power Stroke 150k miles "The Usual Mods" Tow Rig
1981 300SD 190k miles "Heavily Modified"
GONE
I know the K03 turbo is known to be supercharger-like in it's throttle response. Supposedly with the 1.8t VW it feels like you're driving a 6 stock, though I've never driven one before so I can't say. Zero lag but not that great on the top end.
If this gets halfway to VGT land for cheap and a bolt-on to boot, count me in...
- CID
CID Vicious
11-18-2009, 03:36 PM #6So is this turbo giving you the same basic power, just earlier and with better response?
I know the K03 turbo is known to be supercharger-like in it's throttle response. Supposedly with the 1.8t VW it feels like you're driving a 6 stock, though I've never driven one before so I can't say. Zero lag but not that great on the top end.
If this gets halfway to VGT land for cheap and a bolt-on to boot, count me in...
- CID
The T3 is better if you want top-end power, the K26 gets inefficient pretty quick above 15psi, but it can still push 20psi.
ForcedInduction
11-18-2009, 04:23 PM
#7
Not quite halfway, but noticeable nonetheless.
The T3 is better if you want top-end power, the K26 gets inefficient pretty quick above 15psi, but it can still push 20psi.
I'd say the better response is probably worth the swap regardless...I like the idea of a medium-power but responsive motor more than a laggy one that screams at the top end...of course, both would be nice.
What does a good 'starter' VGT go for nowadays? Most common/cheapest?
CID Vicious
11-18-2009, 07:03 PM #8What's stock, about ten psi?
I'd say the better response is probably worth the swap regardless...I like the idea of a medium-power but responsive motor more than a laggy one that screams at the top end...of course, both would be nice.
What does a good 'starter' VGT go for nowadays? Most common/cheapest?
(11-18-2009, 07:03 PM)CID Vicious What's stock, about ten psi?From the factory they were all set at 9psi. The specs in the FSM call for 12psi though.
Quote:What does a good 'starter' VGT go for nowadays? Most common/cheapest?The GT2256V from the 01-05 Dodge/Freightliner/Mercedes Sprinter and the GTA2056V from the 05-06 Jeep Liberty are the most common and cheapest. The HE351Ve from the 07+ Dodge Cummins is very common and dirt cheap, but totally impractical for less than 300hp.
ForcedInduction
11-18-2009, 07:22 PM
#9
(11-18-2009, 07:03 PM)CID Vicious What's stock, about ten psi?From the factory they were all set at 9psi. The specs in the FSM call for 12psi though.
Quote:What does a good 'starter' VGT go for nowadays? Most common/cheapest?The GT2256V from the 01-05 Dodge/Freightliner/Mercedes Sprinter and the GTA2056V from the 05-06 Jeep Liberty are the most common and cheapest. The HE351Ve from the 07+ Dodge Cummins is very common and dirt cheap, but totally impractical for less than 300hp.
Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
CID Vicious
11-18-2009, 07:50 PM #10So I finally got the air filter housing off (don't have all of my tools) and lo and behold, the turbo that's on there is already a KKK...where is the model number at? It's an 83 300D. There was this wannabe cold air tubing glommed onto the stock filter housing, so it's possible that it was owned by an enthusiast.
Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
Will my car accelerate faster since it spool up quicker? even though it provides the same HP wouldnt the 0-60 time be quicker though if it spooled quicker???
also the cars top end is only 85mph on the cluster... and it does take some time getting there with 110hp in a 4000lb car
.so with the k26 turbo swap will my speed over 60mph be affected in how my car pulls above that?? or will this not matter at all? or is the top end only reffering to me doing over 100mph in the car?
W116Lorinser
11-18-2009, 09:03 PM #11ok so lets say i purchase the kkk k26 turbo to swap.
Will my car accelerate faster since it spool up quicker? even though it provides the same HP wouldnt the 0-60 time be quicker though if it spooled quicker???
also the cars top end is only 85mph on the cluster... and it does take some time getting there with 110hp in a 4000lb car .
so with the k26 turbo swap will my speed over 60mph be affected in how my car pulls above that?? or will this not matter at all? or is the top end only reffering to me doing over 100mph in the car?
it wont change the top speed that's related to gearing and rpm
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
11-18-2009, 10:22 PM #12It will accelerate noticeably faster it makes a lot of low end torque compared to the stock Garrett and top end is the same I would defiantly do it again!
it wont change the top speed that's related to gearing and rpm
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
(11-18-2009, 07:50 PM)CID Vicious Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
Only the T3 and K26 were used on the 617.
ForcedInduction
11-19-2009, 12:23 AM
#13
(11-18-2009, 07:50 PM)CID Vicious Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
Only the T3 and K26 were used on the 617.
(11-19-2009, 12:23 AM)ForcedInduction(11-18-2009, 07:50 PM)CID Vicious Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
Only the T3 and K26 were used on the 617.
Sweeeeeet.
I think first thing, now, might be to swap those pumpkins...it'll make the 240D slower while I'm still driving that around but I'd better get used to it, it's going to be a real turtle with the auto and low gears...really, I need to get my ass to the parts yard and get some conversion parts and find a machine shop and driveshaft shop. After the 240D, I'm never going to be able to think of the 300D as a truly 'fun' car unless I'm rowing my own...shifting the auto manually ain't near the same and it's fairly useless for anything but drag racing anyway, and these don't give me the impression of being willing to play like that. Even with GM transmissions you're better off leaving it in D if you want it to live without modifications.
I think I might see about making the mounts and adapter plate and use the 616 in a stick Toyota truck. The 240D might end up being project Blasphemy, I'm curious to see what one of these will do with a V8 and screw trying to get a 4.5 or whatever installed when a SBC is so easy and so much more rewarding...plus the purists cringe in horror, which is always an added bonus...
CID Vicious
11-19-2009, 04:06 PM #14(11-19-2009, 12:23 AM)ForcedInduction(11-18-2009, 07:50 PM)CID Vicious Is there another stock turbo used on this engine that I could possibly mistake the K26 for?
Only the T3 and K26 were used on the 617.
Sweeeeeet.
I think first thing, now, might be to swap those pumpkins...it'll make the 240D slower while I'm still driving that around but I'd better get used to it, it's going to be a real turtle with the auto and low gears...really, I need to get my ass to the parts yard and get some conversion parts and find a machine shop and driveshaft shop. After the 240D, I'm never going to be able to think of the 300D as a truly 'fun' car unless I'm rowing my own...shifting the auto manually ain't near the same and it's fairly useless for anything but drag racing anyway, and these don't give me the impression of being willing to play like that. Even with GM transmissions you're better off leaving it in D if you want it to live without modifications.
I think I might see about making the mounts and adapter plate and use the 616 in a stick Toyota truck. The 240D might end up being project Blasphemy, I'm curious to see what one of these will do with a V8 and screw trying to get a 4.5 or whatever installed when a SBC is so easy and so much more rewarding...plus the purists cringe in horror, which is always an added bonus...
Where can i buy a new KKK k26 for my car and how much would it cost?
W116Lorinser
11-27-2009, 12:12 PM #15ive been looking for some and not too happy with some used ones ive seen so far.
Where can i buy a new KKK k26 for my car and how much would it cost?
(11-27-2009, 12:12 PM)W116Lorinser ive been looking for some and not too happy with some used ones ive seen so far.
Where can i buy a new KKK k26 for my car and how much would it cost?
www.gpopshop.com ???
zukgod1
12-03-2009, 12:00 AM #16(11-27-2009, 12:12 PM)W116Lorinser ive been looking for some and not too happy with some used ones ive seen so far.
Where can i buy a new KKK k26 for my car and how much would it cost?
www.gpopshop.com ???
I have a chance to buy the KKK k26 since i want a direcet replacement turbo without modifyin anyting.
Is the K26 a better turbo and will it offer me increased acceleration over the T3.??
i have a good chance to buy a nice one but i dont wanna spend the money if its gonna be the same thing.
thanks
W116Lorinser
12-08-2009, 01:45 AM #17i currently have the air research t3 in my 1980 turbo diesel and the pickup off the line is fairly horrible up until 25 mph where the turbo hits.
I have a chance to buy the KKK k26 since i want a direcet replacement turbo without modifyin anyting.
Is the K26 a better turbo and will it offer me increased acceleration over the T3.??
i have a good chance to buy a nice one but i dont wanna spend the money if its gonna be the same thing.
thanks
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