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decl00ne

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04-26-2016, 09:03 AM #1

hey guys, second post today for my swap Wink

so i already searched the forum, found some valuable info already, but want some combination info, and dos and donts Big Grin

i already found out the bmw boxes work well with the om60x series, but which one is good or a 400hp engine,

the BMW ZF GS6-53DZ or GS6-37DZ works well, but which one will hold the power constantly.
wont be banging to much on it, but will be doing multiple driftdays a month so needs to be strong

also found out a single mass flywheel from a sprinter, a sachs 765 pressure plate and a 240mm organic clutch plate works well together. (please correct me if im wrong)
i know F.R.A.S. supplies all of the above, but since im quite a distance away i am hoping there is someone who can supply it from Germany for example
and all the parts i mentioned, does it fit just like that, or do i need to machine the flywheel or clutch to make it fit?

Hope for some good reply's Angel

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-26-2016, 09:03 AM #1

hey guys, second post today for my swap Wink

so i already searched the forum, found some valuable info already, but want some combination info, and dos and donts Big Grin

i already found out the bmw boxes work well with the om60x series, but which one is good or a 400hp engine,

the BMW ZF GS6-53DZ or GS6-37DZ works well, but which one will hold the power constantly.
wont be banging to much on it, but will be doing multiple driftdays a month so needs to be strong

also found out a single mass flywheel from a sprinter, a sachs 765 pressure plate and a 240mm organic clutch plate works well together. (please correct me if im wrong)
i know F.R.A.S. supplies all of the above, but since im quite a distance away i am hoping there is someone who can supply it from Germany for example
and all the parts i mentioned, does it fit just like that, or do i need to machine the flywheel or clutch to make it fit?

Hope for some good reply's Angel

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

Evgeniy1987

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04-27-2016, 12:54 PM #2

Have you considered a manually shifted 722.6 ?

Evgeniy1987

04-27-2016, 12:54 PM #2

Have you considered a manually shifted 722.6 ?

NZScott

HX30W 73/44mm

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04-28-2016, 12:48 AM #3

And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

1978 300D, 373,000km... OM617.912 with a Holset HX30W, 7.5mm IP, 711.113 5 speed (project car, 7 years off the road and counting ;/)
1977 250 270,000km (parts car)
1977 300D (ex 280) 500,000km
1981 240D 498,000
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NZScott

04-28-2016, 12:48 AM #3

And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

Evgeniy1987

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04-28-2016, 03:16 AM #4

(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

Exactly. I have a 716.649 here at work, which has endured many hours of 400 Electrical Nm .. still alive, although it makes noizes. But that is because of no dampers installed, just metal-to-metal ..

Evgeniy1987

04-28-2016, 03:16 AM #4

(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

Exactly. I have a 716.649 here at work, which has endured many hours of 400 Electrical Nm .. still alive, although it makes noizes. But that is because of no dampers installed, just metal-to-metal ..

decl00ne

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04-28-2016, 06:01 AM #5

(04-27-2016, 12:54 PM)Evgeniy1987 Have you considered a manually shifted 722.6 ?

well, i absolutely do not want a automatic with electronics.
want to go all mechanical/ manual

(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

well, that one is also an option... but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.

(04-28-2016, 03:16 AM)Evgeniy1987
(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

Exactly. I have a 716.649 here at work, which has endured many hours of 400 Electrical Nm .. still alive, although it makes noizes. But that is because of no dampers installed, just metal-to-metal ..

ok, so 400 nm is no problem, but what about drifting, if for example i clutch-kick it frequently.
and you are from the Netherlands, what where the costs for the gearbox?

also i found out some ssangyong models came with om60x engines and a t5 gearbox, what about that option?

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-28-2016, 06:01 AM #5

(04-27-2016, 12:54 PM)Evgeniy1987 Have you considered a manually shifted 722.6 ?

well, i absolutely do not want a automatic with electronics.
want to go all mechanical/ manual

(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

well, that one is also an option... but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.

(04-28-2016, 03:16 AM)Evgeniy1987
(04-28-2016, 12:48 AM)NZScott And don't forget the 716.6 which bolts up, just needs custom flywheel etc. 716.654 would be fine for 400hp / 500 odd Nm I would think, check out hansebanger's W124 build

Exactly. I have a 716.649 here at work, which has endured many hours of 400 Electrical Nm .. still alive, although it makes noizes. But that is because of no dampers installed, just metal-to-metal ..

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

Evgeniy1987

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04-28-2016, 11:54 AM #6

Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker Tongue

I destroyed one already..

Evgeniy1987

04-28-2016, 11:54 AM #6

Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker Tongue I destroyed one already..

decl00ne

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04-28-2016, 02:23 PM #7

(04-28-2016, 11:54 AM)Evgeniy1987 Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker I destroyed one already..

Ok so I need the 716.649 at least.
And I know you dont build them, I was just curious what you payed for your.

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-28-2016, 02:23 PM #7

(04-28-2016, 11:54 AM)Evgeniy1987 Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker I destroyed one already..

Ok so I need the 716.649 at least.
And I know you dont build them, I was just curious what you payed for your.

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

JVance

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04-28-2016, 07:13 PM #8

(04-28-2016, 06:01 AM)decl00ne but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.

That seems to be isolated to the 717.4xx 5-speeds.

JVance

04-28-2016, 07:13 PM #8

(04-28-2016, 06:01 AM)decl00ne but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.

That seems to be isolated to the 717.4xx 5-speeds.

Evgeniy1987

GT2256V

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04-29-2016, 04:05 AM #9

(04-28-2016, 02:23 PM)decl00ne
(04-28-2016, 11:54 AM)Evgeniy1987 Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker I destroyed one already..

Ok so I need the 716.649 at least.
And I know you dont build them, I was just curious what you payed for your.

Ah, ok. We paid 730€ for a refurbished one, in Germany.

Evgeniy1987

04-29-2016, 04:05 AM #9

(04-28-2016, 02:23 PM)decl00ne
(04-28-2016, 11:54 AM)Evgeniy1987 Oh, please, don't understand me wrong. We only use a 716.649 gearbox at our test bench, between two electric motors.. We do not build gearboxes..

I know that 716.216 is much weaker I destroyed one already..

Ok so I need the 716.649 at least.
And I know you dont build them, I was just curious what you payed for your.

Ah, ok. We paid 730€ for a refurbished one, in Germany.

decl00ne

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04-29-2016, 04:15 AM #10

(04-28-2016, 07:13 PM)JVance
(04-28-2016, 06:01 AM)decl00ne but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.
That seems to be isolated to the 717.4xx 5-speeds.

ok so all other boxes except the 717.4xx are good enough?

(04-29-2016, 04:05 AM)Evgeniy1987 Ah, ok. We paid 730€ for a refurbished one, in Germany.

ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-29-2016, 04:15 AM #10

(04-28-2016, 07:13 PM)JVance
(04-28-2016, 06:01 AM)decl00ne but i read some posts about the famous glass 3th gear, so bit doubtful about merc manuals.
That seems to be isolated to the 717.4xx 5-speeds.

ok so all other boxes except the 717.4xx are good enough?

(04-29-2016, 04:05 AM)Evgeniy1987 Ah, ok. We paid 730€ for a refurbished one, in Germany.

ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

Evgeniy1987

GT2256V

139

04-29-2016, 04:50 AM #11

(04-29-2016, 04:15 AM)decl00ne ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

of these 716.6xx , you have the bolt pattern type that fits, and the bolt pattern type that doesn't... that is that round one, and I belive on the strongest type of box..

But of the 716.649 I know for sure that is that "usual" type of pattern:

[Image: 1445328514134_bulletin]

And, exactly, you need that Srinter-Flywheel and a special set of pressure plate and clutch disk, but I am not sure which, haven't done that research yet.

What I can say is that there were manual boxes with "short" primary shaft, and the "long" primary shaft. And I saw that the primary shaft of 716.216 was longer... because of that, I had to modify the test bench a bit here at work. This means, that the flywheel for a 716.649 box must be THICKER, than if a 716.216 was mounted. Perhaps, that helps.

Evgeniy1987

04-29-2016, 04:50 AM #11

(04-29-2016, 04:15 AM)decl00ne ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

Max

Turbinaaa

87

04-29-2016, 07:53 AM #12

Hi,

im runnin a 716.654 on my 190D OM605 with the "4K-KIT" Sprinter Singlemass Flyweehl Kit.

Bolts right up, no Modifikations needed.

The "Sprinter Conv." Singlemass Flywheel has a extra Bearing the hold an support the short Inputshaft of the 716.6 Transmissions.

Until now the Stock "4k-KIT" holds the Power of my Engine.

For more Power you´ll need the machine the (Heavy !!) Flyweehl to fit a 765 Pressure platte or similar...

Link to the stock KIT: http://www.4kkit.de/start/

This ist the one i used: https://www.motointegrator.de/artikel/23...GwodrOkPSQ

Greets

Max

This post was last modified: 04-29-2016, 07:53 AM by Max.

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93´ W124 300TDT -> OM606.962 / RS 203 Dieselmeken 7,5mm 210cc / KKK K14 / Stock Transmission / 2,65 ASD
89´ 190D 2.5 Turbo -> OM605.960 / Dieselmeken 7,5mm 180cc / Holset HX30 Super / 716. 654 6-Speed / 2,87 Rear Axle

Max

04-29-2016, 07:53 AM #12

decl00ne

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04-29-2016, 11:47 AM #13

(04-29-2016, 04:50 AM)Evgeniy1987
(04-29-2016, 04:15 AM)decl00ne ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

of these 716.6xx , you have the bolt pattern type that fits, and the bolt pattern type that doesn't... that is that round one, and I belive on the strongest type of box..

But of the 716.649 I know for sure that is that "usual" type of pattern:

And, exactly, you need that Srinter-Flywheel and a special set of pressure plate and clutch disk, but I am not sure which, haven't done that research yet.

What I can say is that there were manual boxes with "short" primary shaft, and the "long" primary shaft. And I saw that the primary shaft of 716.216 was longer... because of that, I had to modify the test bench a bit here at work. This means, that the flywheel for a 716.649 box must be THICKER, than if a 716.216 was mounted. Perhaps, that helps.

i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?

(04-29-2016, 07:53 AM)Max Hi,

im runnin a 716.654 on my 190D OM605 with the "4K-KIT" Sprinter Singlemass Flyweehl Kit.

Bolts right up, no Modifikations needed.

The "Sprinter Conv." Singlemass Flywheel has a extra Bearing the hold an support the short Inputshaft of the 716.6 Transmissions.

Until now the Stock "4k-KIT" holds the Power of my Engine.

For more Power you´ll need the machine the (Heavy !!) Flyweehl to fit a 765 Pressure platte or similar...

Link to the stock KIT: http://www.4kkit.de/start/

This ist the one i used: https://www.motointegrator.de/artikel/23...GwodrOkPSQ

Greets

Max

thanks for the reply, happy to hear there is a kit that fits.

saw your build-tread, looks absolutely awesome!!!
how much power are you running atm?

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-29-2016, 11:47 AM #13

(04-29-2016, 04:50 AM)Evgeniy1987
(04-29-2016, 04:15 AM)decl00ne ok thanks.

so the 716.649 bolts right up to the engine, but you will need a custom flywheel and clutch?

of these 716.6xx , you have the bolt pattern type that fits, and the bolt pattern type that doesn't... that is that round one, and I belive on the strongest type of box..

But of the 716.649 I know for sure that is that "usual" type of pattern:

And, exactly, you need that Srinter-Flywheel and a special set of pressure plate and clutch disk, but I am not sure which, haven't done that research yet.

What I can say is that there were manual boxes with "short" primary shaft, and the "long" primary shaft. And I saw that the primary shaft of 716.216 was longer... because of that, I had to modify the test bench a bit here at work. This means, that the flywheel for a 716.649 box must be THICKER, than if a 716.216 was mounted. Perhaps, that helps.

i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?

(04-29-2016, 07:53 AM)Max Hi,

im runnin a 716.654 on my 190D OM605 with the "4K-KIT" Sprinter Singlemass Flyweehl Kit.

Bolts right up, no Modifikations needed.

The "Sprinter Conv." Singlemass Flywheel has a extra Bearing the hold an support the short Inputshaft of the 716.6 Transmissions.

Until now the Stock "4k-KIT" holds the Power of my Engine.

For more Power you´ll need the machine the (Heavy !!) Flyweehl to fit a 765 Pressure platte or similar...

Link to the stock KIT: http://www.4kkit.de/start/

This ist the one i used: https://www.motointegrator.de/artikel/23...GwodrOkPSQ

Greets

Max

thanks for the reply, happy to hear there is a kit that fits.

saw your build-tread, looks absolutely awesome!!!
how much power are you running atm?

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

Evgeniy1987

GT2256V

139

04-29-2016, 12:48 PM #14

(04-29-2016, 11:47 AM)decl00ne i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?

As I understand ( correct me if I am wrong), there are basicly 2 recent or important bolt patterns: the one I showed before, and this one:
[Image: xL60r57.jpg]

And this "round" one is the one that does not fit OM606 ( and other inline motors ?? )
OM606 bolt pattern is this:
[Image: vp-kyt.jpg]

Evgeniy1987

04-29-2016, 12:48 PM #14

(04-29-2016, 11:47 AM)decl00ne i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?

As I understand ( correct me if I am wrong), there are basicly 2 recent or important bolt patterns: the one I showed before, and this one:
[Image: xL60r57.jpg]

And this "round" one is the one that does not fit OM606 ( and other inline motors ?? )
OM606 bolt pattern is this:
[Image: vp-kyt.jpg]

decl00ne

Naturally-aspirated

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04-29-2016, 01:57 PM #15

(04-29-2016, 12:48 PM)Evgeniy1987
(04-29-2016, 11:47 AM)decl00ne i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?
As I understand ( correct me if I am wrong), there are basicly 2 recent or important bolt patterns: the one I showed before, and this one:

And this "round" one is the one that does not fit OM606 ( and other inline motors ?? )
OM606 bolt pattern is this:

good to know, thanks m8

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

04-29-2016, 01:57 PM #15

(04-29-2016, 12:48 PM)Evgeniy1987
(04-29-2016, 11:47 AM)decl00ne i love you!!!
this is the kind of information i need.
so if i get a 716.649 it just fits, no hassle about the boltpattern?
As I understand ( correct me if I am wrong), there are basicly 2 recent or important bolt patterns: the one I showed before, and this one:

And this "round" one is the one that does not fit OM606 ( and other inline motors ?? )
OM606 bolt pattern is this:

good to know, thanks m8

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

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05-01-2016, 03:48 PM #16

does anyone know what the 716.649 can handle, and how much the 4k-kit can handle?

Tnx

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
---project brick---

decl00ne

05-01-2016, 03:48 PM #16

does anyone know what the 716.649 can handle, and how much the 4k-kit can handle?

Tnx

---why do it easy, when there is a much longer, difficult way?---
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