FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s
FAQ EDC Pumps / W202/W210 W463 ECU’s
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Have anyone figured out which code block is used? Pretty anoying to do every change 8 times.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
The W210 glow plug relay is controlled by something more complex than a simple 12V "go" signal. Some friends tried to get one to work without the ECU and didn't have any luck at all. The relay also passes data back to the ECU indicating success/failure of the glow cycle. If you are using the W210 instrument cluster, it will report glow plug issues recorded by the ECU.
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Also I dumped ELAB, I suppose it is enough to disable DTC code for it to start?
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Wiring ´87 W124 with 605 turbo and ECU. My doubt is about ECU being from an automatic trans car. Will it start without EGS? Or alternatively if I programmed EPROMs with dump from manual will it run? Asking for experiences because it is hard to troubleshoot something which cannot be diagnosed and may not run for several reasons at once. Also I dumped ELAB, I suppose it is enough to disable DTC code for it to start?
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
whipplem104
04-07-2019, 10:45 AM #68I do not know about the 605 but here in the U.S. The 606 ecu had a ground signal for N/S from the TCU. I assume it is the same as a manual trans input. I never knew this until a year ago. Also same era gas cars. m120, m119, m104. Me 2.0 This is all it needs to start.
It races with RPMs I dont know where, shut it off at 3000. Rack is not stuck, moves freely, doing it with TPS disconnected too. Ehm what the phuck. Havent tinkered with EPROMs yet so it should idle fine and be in limp-EGR and ELAB disconnected.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem.. It races with RPMs I dont know where, shut it off at 3000. Rack is not stuck, moves freely, doing it with TPS disconnected too. Ehm what the phuck. Havent tinkered with EPROMs yet so it should idle fine and be in limp-EGR and ELAB disconnected.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
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(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
G300TD(OM606.964) & 250GD(OM605.960)Trophy raid
(04-11-2019, 01:01 PM)INCNot sure what you were trying to say here, but it sounds interesting. Can you give another try at explaining what you meant?(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
(04-11-2019, 01:01 PM)INCNot sure what you were trying to say here, but it sounds interesting. Can you give another try at explaining what you meant?(04-10-2019, 09:04 AM)starynovy Yeah, wired it, put fuel in and it starts but there is a problem..
Thats a way how ecu test ELAB and know that You remove it
When You shut down engine ECU move rack to add fuel, and close ELAB in same time, if there is jump in rpm
fault code is set, and second derrate limiter is active.
Have you chopped up the wiring loom. I always advise people to not alter the pump wiring. Is this an msa25 ECU or older style?
It somehow picks up magnetic field of some sort so it starts fuel delivery but never picks up correct RPMs so it stays in start position, would run away to destruction.About the loom, made it from scratch. Most of the wires were in sorry state and too long-ECU moved to LHD side. Shortened both pump and VR sensor shielded wires. Nothing is lengthened, proper crimping at ECU connector with new pins.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
Sorted.. idiots put flywheel from 2.5 diesel as per request.. just did not confess about small detail of being from W124 without 5 engine speed teeth. It somehow picks up magnetic field of some sort so it starts fuel delivery but never picks up correct RPMs so it stays in start position, would run away to destruction.
About the loom, made it from scratch. Most of the wires were in sorry state and too long-ECU moved to LHD side. Shortened both pump and VR sensor shielded wires. Nothing is lengthened, proper crimping at ECU connector with new pins.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
If they tuned something they did main maps, just open any MSA25 hexdump, find those maps (list is even there on first page) and copy them. You dont need exact SW version for this.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
So it is finished, but man it gave some headaches. In the end I had to remove this pile of errors P1622, P1407, P1402, P1223, P1482, P1221, P0600 from which P1223 came out of nowhere after day of flawless running.. something related to pump itself, never seen it.
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Ex: 525tds 130kW, C250TD 160kW, E320CDI 200kW, ML400CDI 230kW, A6 R5TDI 130kW
Now: Q7 V8TDI 240kW, 320d 150kW, 335d 210kW
(04-29-2019, 04:12 AM)starynovy So it is finished, but man it gave some headaches. In the end I had to remove this pile of errors P1622, P1407, P1402, P1223, P1482, P1221, P0600 from which P1223 came out of nowhere after day of flawless running.. something related to pump itself, never seen it.
Nice engineering work !
Will be great fun and daily driver... enjoy
junkyarddawg
04-29-2019, 07:14 PM #77(04-29-2019, 04:12 AM)starynovy So it is finished, but man it gave some headaches. In the end I had to remove this pile of errors P1622, P1407, P1402, P1223, P1482, P1221, P0600 from which P1223 came out of nowhere after day of flawless running.. something related to pump itself, never seen it.
Nice engineering work !
Will be great fun and daily driver... enjoy
Quote:If there are problems to start the car, add ACC onto pin 13 of ECU
(take it from second leg of diode). Then, cut off pin 13 from the ECU plug.
A) it isn't clear which leg of the diode is the second one.
B) I'm not keen on hacking up the harness.
C) the earlier CR1 board that I'm using hasn't needed this fix.
Anyone have experience with this particular module?
I've gotten this work work very well on my OM606a. 80Kmiles of reliable driving. Then I went to make a backup ECU and tried to use the Julie "Universal Emulator" board instead. Following the instructions, it started and ran beautifully. Unfortunately, after about 5 starts, it no longer starts. The documentation for the module suggests:
Quote:If there are problems to start the car, add ACC onto pin 13 of ECU
(take it from second leg of diode). Then, cut off pin 13 from the ECU plug.
A) it isn't clear which leg of the diode is the second one.
B) I'm not keen on hacking up the harness.
C) the earlier CR1 board that I'm using hasn't needed this fix.
Anyone have experience with this particular module?
After a tear down, it turns out that the 2Kbyte EEPROM failed, it self-erased to all FFs. I'll be tossing out that batch of chips. Burned the same data into a new (different brand) chip and I'm back in business.
Hi everyone! Someone can tell me the map adresses for msa25.2 2.9L W210? Original ecu dump: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WCVym_...92Ej5_epHX Thanks for any help!
Ich muss wirklich, dass mir jemand helfen kann!
Ich habe einen OM605 mit EDC-Pumpe in einem Boot gehört.
Ich installiere einen Julie Emulator und Chance die 24c02.
Ich habe ein Problem - die richtige Zeit hat den Motor gestartet, aber ich habe den Fehler p1630 für Immo. Dann muss ich zwei mal gehört und dann gehört es an.
Mabe jemand hat eine Idee.
Das ist wirklich schlecht auf dem Wasser
Ähm,
Ich muss wirklich, dass mir jemand helfen kann!
Ich habe einen OM605 mit EDC-Pumpe in einem Boot gehört.
Ich installiere einen Julie Emulator und Chance die 24c02.
Ich habe ein Problem - die richtige Zeit hat den Motor gestartet, aber ich habe den Fehler p1630 für Immo. Dann muss ich zwei mal gehört und dann gehört es an.
Mabe jemand hat eine Idee.
Das ist wirklich schlecht auf dem Wasser
I went back to the standard "Mercedes CR1 Immo Emulator". That worked 100%. There are many sellers out there on the web. I believe I bought from this page: http://us.ecutool.com/Mercedes-Benz-CR1-..._9925.html. Though I paid half of the price they are asking now.
Feel free to PM me. Ich verstehe Deutsch.
I also bought the Julie and was not able to make it work reliably. I tried all of the fixes that were suggested, nothing worked.
I went back to the standard "Mercedes CR1 Immo Emulator". That worked 100%. There are many sellers out there on the web. I believe I bought from this page: http://us.ecutool.com/Mercedes-Benz-CR1-..._9925.html. Though I paid half of the price they are asking now.
Feel free to PM me. Ich verstehe Deutsch.
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
joaocastela
03-24-2022, 04:31 PM #88Hello everyone,
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
(03-24-2022, 04:31 PM)joaocastela Hello everyone,
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
Did this get working?
A friend of mine has a OM606na, currently with mechanical injection. He's looking to switch to the original e-pump and control system. All of that is in a box, untested. Does the original system have an immobilizer? If so, what type? Similar to the system on the E300/OM606a?
Any help greatly appreciated.
(03-24-2022, 04:31 PM)joaocastela Hello everyone,
I’m currently in the middle of a swap of a om605 on to an originally c220 w202.
Right now I’m have an issue with the ignition. My original ignition uses the izs sistem
And the system from the om605 ecu is from a mechanical key. Does anyone know how to solve this?
Thank you
Did this get working?
A friend of mine has a OM606na, currently with mechanical injection. He's looking to switch to the original e-pump and control system. All of that is in a box, untested. Does the original system have an immobilizer? If so, what type? Similar to the system on the E300/OM606a?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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