New Member, Plus Explain about Diesel Turbos.
New Member, Plus Explain about Diesel Turbos.
04-22-2010, 11:04 AM
#1
I'm new to the diesel tuning world and i dont even have one yet but i am planning on getting it for a first car. So, to explain a little, i am new to the forum, i am also 14 so if i ask noob diesel questions please be easy on me, i am however not noob at non-diesel engines so i know about turbos and headers, the block, injectors and etc. becuase i have been in the japanese tuning world for a while. So, to get to my question, i was wondering what are the main companies for diesel turbos and also what are the good turbos for DD's that spool prety quite, get good hp and also good mpg? So, if you guys could just give me a general view of the diesel engine and turbo world that would be great.
Thanks,
Hey Guys,
I'm new to the diesel tuning world and i dont even have one yet but i am planning on getting it for a first car. So, to explain a little, i am new to the forum, i am also 14 so if i ask noob diesel questions please be easy on me, i am however not noob at non-diesel engines so i know about turbos and headers, the block, injectors and etc. becuase i have been in the japanese tuning world for a while. So, to get to my question, i was wondering what are the main companies for diesel turbos and also what are the good turbos for DD's that spool prety quite, get good hp and also good mpg? So, if you guys could just give me a general view of the diesel engine and turbo world that would be great.
Thanks,
04-22-2010, 11:13 AM
#2
Generally, "Holset" seems to be a very popular brand for Turbo upgrades on these cars. Typically they come off of Cummins engines. Most of our cars already have a turbo and when we want to upgrade, we adjust the car to give the engine more fuel FIRST, then we worry about adding a turbo.
jonbobshinigin
04-22-2010, 11:13 AM #2Well, this is a primarily, if not entirely Mercedes diesel board. What vehicle are you interested in learning this for?
Generally, "Holset" seems to be a very popular brand for Turbo upgrades on these cars. Typically they come off of Cummins engines. Most of our cars already have a turbo and when we want to upgrade, we adjust the car to give the engine more fuel FIRST, then we worry about adding a turbo.
04-22-2010, 12:03 PM
#3
Hey Rcdevil, Welcome! I would do a lot of reading its just the best way to learn and there is ton of info on this site. Holset and Garrett seem to be the mane turbo makers for diesel's but then there are other ones to. Mercedes are great cars but your probably not going to get great mpg like a VW TDI. So do a lot of reading before you buy.
04-22-2010, 12:24 PM
#4
(04-22-2010, 11:13 AM)jonbobshinigin Well, this is a primarily, if not entirely Mercedes diesel board. What vehicle are you interested in learning this for?
Generally, "Holset" seems to be a very popular brand for Turbo upgrades on these cars. Typically they come off of Cummins engines. Most of our cars already have a turbo and when we want to upgrade, we adjust the car to give the engine more fuel FIRST, then we worry about adding a turbo.
Well, i am interested in the 300 td wagon and maybe the sedan. and also for the reply about mpg, i am going to run it on veggie oil so it will be pretty cheap anyways and clean. Also, since veggie oil is a clean burner if i have a straight pipe will it still make the CARB emission regulations?
thanks if you know.
(04-22-2010, 11:13 AM)jonbobshinigin Well, this is a primarily, if not entirely Mercedes diesel board. What vehicle are you interested in learning this for?
Generally, "Holset" seems to be a very popular brand for Turbo upgrades on these cars. Typically they come off of Cummins engines. Most of our cars already have a turbo and when we want to upgrade, we adjust the car to give the engine more fuel FIRST, then we worry about adding a turbo.
Well, i am interested in the 300 td wagon and maybe the sedan. and also for the reply about mpg, i am going to run it on veggie oil so it will be pretty cheap anyways and clean. Also, since veggie oil is a clean burner if i have a straight pipe will it still make the CARB emission regulations?
thanks if you know.
04-22-2010, 12:48 PM
#5
(04-22-2010, 12:24 PM)Rcdevil i am going to run it on veggie oil so it will be pretty cheap anyways and clean.
Raw vegetable oil does not run "clean" in an engine.
ForcedInduction
04-22-2010, 12:48 PM
#5
(04-22-2010, 12:24 PM)Rcdevil i am going to run it on veggie oil so it will be pretty cheap anyways and clean.
Raw vegetable oil does not run "clean" in an engine.
04-22-2010, 01:09 PM
#6
(04-22-2010, 12:48 PM)ForcedInduction(04-22-2010, 12:24 PM)Rcdevil i am going to run it on veggie oil so it will be pretty cheap anyways and clean.
Raw vegetable oil does not run "clean" in an engine.
i meant as in emmisions, but yea i know that if it does cause some clogging.
04-22-2010, 03:39 PM
#7
(04-22-2010, 01:09 PM)Rcdevil i meant as in emmisions, but yea i know that if it does cause some clogging.
I meant both. That "french fry" smell coming from the exhaust is pollution that happens to smell pleasant.
ForcedInduction
04-22-2010, 03:39 PM
#7
(04-22-2010, 01:09 PM)Rcdevil i meant as in emmisions, but yea i know that if it does cause some clogging.
I meant both. That "french fry" smell coming from the exhaust is pollution that happens to smell pleasant.
04-22-2010, 04:43 PM
#8
(04-22-2010, 04:14 PM)GREASY_BEAST Proof?
Its an increase in emissions. Simple as that. End of story.
ForcedInduction
04-22-2010, 04:43 PM
#8
(04-22-2010, 04:14 PM)GREASY_BEAST Proof?
Its an increase in emissions. Simple as that. End of story.
04-22-2010, 05:57 PM
#9
George3soccer
04-22-2010, 05:57 PM #9I would like to know as well if that french fry oil, is actually a pollutant. Afterall it does burn, and in that case emits carbon, which could be a pollutant, but is it as high as diesel?
TotalDiesel
Unregistered
04-22-2010, 06:49 PM
#10
TotalDiesel
04-22-2010, 06:49 PM #10SVO Is Co2 Neutral. Meaning that the plant in which the oil came from consumed the Co2 from the atmosphere. The oil removed from the plant consists of carbon taken from its environment. So when you run vegetable oil, you are only returning that Co2 to the atmosphere as it was before. PetroDiesel releases larger amounts of carbon which existed millions of years ago. When we burn fossil fuels it releases more carbon in the air, Obviously. Thats why people feel that crude petroleum is the cause of global warming which adds more co2 to the atmosphere. Waste vegetable oil simply keeps a stable Co2 level when it comes out your tail pipe. The only pollution factor would be how efficient your engine is. Its definately not good for the environment or anyone when a cloud of black smoke is trailing your vehicle.
04-22-2010, 07:05 PM
#11
(04-22-2010, 04:14 PM)GREASY_BEAST Welcome rcdevil. I ran SVO for a few tens of thousands of miles in my 300TD. The key is to design a system that has separate fuel filters, heats the fuel all the way back to the tank, and ensures that diesel and SVO never mix. You should not switch to SVO until the fuel temperature is at least 130°F and the system should run at least 160°F after its fully up to temperature.
All these concerns pale in comparison to the filtration. You must ensure that the fuel going into your tank has been filtered to the micron rating of your fuel filters, otherwise you will not be able to drive very far. Furthermore, you must ensure that the fuel is 100% devoid of all water. This is the most difficult part.
(04-22-2010, 03:39 PM)ForcedInduction That "french fry" smell coming from the exhaust is pollution that happens to smell pleasant.
Proof?
Thanks for the info on that
Also, do you guys think that running the "french fry" oil with a striaght pipe is comparable to running regular diesel with the stock exhaust?
thanks, and and remember im a noob for diesel things
(04-22-2010, 04:14 PM)GREASY_BEAST Welcome rcdevil. I ran SVO for a few tens of thousands of miles in my 300TD. The key is to design a system that has separate fuel filters, heats the fuel all the way back to the tank, and ensures that diesel and SVO never mix. You should not switch to SVO until the fuel temperature is at least 130°F and the system should run at least 160°F after its fully up to temperature.
All these concerns pale in comparison to the filtration. You must ensure that the fuel going into your tank has been filtered to the micron rating of your fuel filters, otherwise you will not be able to drive very far. Furthermore, you must ensure that the fuel is 100% devoid of all water. This is the most difficult part.
(04-22-2010, 03:39 PM)ForcedInduction That "french fry" smell coming from the exhaust is pollution that happens to smell pleasant.
Proof?
Thanks for the info on that
Also, do you guys think that running the "french fry" oil with a striaght pipe is comparable to running regular diesel with the stock exhaust?
thanks, and and remember im a noob for diesel things
04-22-2010, 07:59 PM
#12
The only difference is that the straight pipe is a lot louder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duSWb2v1inc
As far as smoke goes a car can be tuned to run clean no mater what fuel you run on! my 240 makes almost no smoke at all and it runs on 100% pure diesel! with a straight pipe!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
willbhere4u
04-22-2010, 07:59 PM #12The exhaust is just for is noise it wont make a difference what fuel you run!
The only difference is that the straight pipe is a lot louder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duSWb2v1inc
As far as smoke goes a car can be tuned to run clean no mater what fuel you run on! my 240 makes almost no smoke at all and it runs on 100% pure diesel! with a straight pipe!
1987 300SDL 6spd manual om606.962 swap project
1985 300td euro 5spd wagon running
04-22-2010, 08:37 PM
#13
(04-22-2010, 07:59 PM)willbhere4u The exhaust is just for is noise it wont make a difference what fuel you run!
The only difference is that the straight pipe is a lot louder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duSWb2v1inc
As far as smoke goes a car can be tuned to run clean no mater what fuel you run on! my 240 makes almost no smoke at all and it runs on 100% pure diesel! with a straight pipe!
are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions, that's why some catalytic converters and not street legal because the emissions are way too high to be street legal. my cousins 350z has a greddy exhaust and stillen high flow cats and that thing doesnt make emissions for sh*t, so he has to pay the smog guys off. also, i thought veggie oil produces less carbon that regular diesel so if you compared the emissions from a car that ran on veggie oil and a car that ran on regular diesel then the one with veggie oil would have less emissions, correct? please, correct me if im wrong.
(04-22-2010, 07:59 PM)willbhere4u The exhaust is just for is noise it wont make a difference what fuel you run!
The only difference is that the straight pipe is a lot louder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duSWb2v1inc
As far as smoke goes a car can be tuned to run clean no mater what fuel you run on! my 240 makes almost no smoke at all and it runs on 100% pure diesel! with a straight pipe!
are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions, that's why some catalytic converters and not street legal because the emissions are way too high to be street legal. my cousins 350z has a greddy exhaust and stillen high flow cats and that thing doesnt make emissions for sh*t, so he has to pay the smog guys off. also, i thought veggie oil produces less carbon that regular diesel so if you compared the emissions from a car that ran on veggie oil and a car that ran on regular diesel then the one with veggie oil would have less emissions, correct? please, correct me if im wrong.
04-22-2010, 08:51 PM
#14
(04-22-2010, 08:37 PM)Rcdevil are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions...
Ah Grasshoppa, remember these are diesels, not your gasser...forget almost all you know about gassers and come to the dark side.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
04-22-2010, 08:51 PM #14(04-22-2010, 08:37 PM)Rcdevil are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions...
Ah Grasshoppa, remember these are diesels, not your gasser...forget almost all you know about gassers and come to the dark side.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
04-22-2010, 09:24 PM
#15
(04-22-2010, 08:51 PM)Rudolf_Diesel(04-22-2010, 08:37 PM)Rcdevil are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions...
Ah Grasshoppa, remember these are diesels, not your gasser...forget almost all you know about gassers and come to the dark side.
okay, and sorry if i came off as a jerk
okay, so for diesels the exhaust isn't really for emissions?
(04-22-2010, 08:51 PM)Rudolf_Diesel(04-22-2010, 08:37 PM)Rcdevil are you kidding me? exhaust isn't just for noise it is to clean and filter the emissions...
Ah Grasshoppa, remember these are diesels, not your gasser...forget almost all you know about gassers and come to the dark side.
okay, and sorry if i came off as a jerk
okay, so for diesels the exhaust isn't really for emissions?
04-22-2010, 09:41 PM
#16
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
04-22-2010, 09:41 PM #16No problem, the newer diesels are using cats and DP filters, but these older ones don't. The more free flowing you can get the exhaust the better. BTW, stop staring at my avatar
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
04-22-2010, 10:03 PM
#17
To the originator of this post, just read every post accessible on this site & you should glean enough info to begin.
yankneck696
04-22-2010, 10:03 PM #17I stare at your avatar alot.
To the originator of this post, just read every post accessible on this site & you should glean enough info to begin.
04-22-2010, 10:07 PM
#18
(04-22-2010, 06:49 PM)TotalDiesel SVO Is Co2 Neutral. Meaning that the plant in which the oil came from consumed the Co2 from the atmosphere. The oil removed from the plant consists of carbon taken from its environment. So when you run vegetable oil, you are only returning that Co2 to the atmosphere as it was before. PetroDiesel releases larger amounts of carbon which existed millions of years ago. When we burn fossil fuels it releases more carbon in the air, Obviously. Thats why people feel that crude petroleum is the cause of global warming which adds more co2 to the atmosphere. Waste vegetable oil simply keeps a stable Co2 level when it comes out your tail pipe. The only pollution factor would be how efficient your engine is. Its definately not good for the environment or anyone when a cloud of black smoke is trailing your vehicle.
The only difference is the amount of time it took for the cycle to complete. No such thing as carbon neutral as all things are neutral in the grander schemes of things. At least thats my take on it.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
(04-22-2010, 06:49 PM)TotalDiesel SVO Is Co2 Neutral. Meaning that the plant in which the oil came from consumed the Co2 from the atmosphere. The oil removed from the plant consists of carbon taken from its environment. So when you run vegetable oil, you are only returning that Co2 to the atmosphere as it was before. PetroDiesel releases larger amounts of carbon which existed millions of years ago. When we burn fossil fuels it releases more carbon in the air, Obviously. Thats why people feel that crude petroleum is the cause of global warming which adds more co2 to the atmosphere. Waste vegetable oil simply keeps a stable Co2 level when it comes out your tail pipe. The only pollution factor would be how efficient your engine is. Its definately not good for the environment or anyone when a cloud of black smoke is trailing your vehicle.
The only difference is the amount of time it took for the cycle to complete. No such thing as carbon neutral as all things are neutral in the grander schemes of things. At least thats my take on it.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
04-22-2010, 10:17 PM
#19
(04-22-2010, 09:41 PM)Rudolf_Diesel No problem, the newer diesels are using cats and DP filters, but these older ones don't. The more free flowing you can get the exhaust the better. BTW, stop staring at my avatar
hahahahahaha how did u know i was staring anyways, now past the exhaust, aren't diesel turbos different from "gassy" turbos? just for future information...
thanks,
BTW dude your hilarious
(04-22-2010, 09:41 PM)Rudolf_Diesel No problem, the newer diesels are using cats and DP filters, but these older ones don't. The more free flowing you can get the exhaust the better. BTW, stop staring at my avatar
hahahahahaha how did u know i was staring anyways, now past the exhaust, aren't diesel turbos different from "gassy" turbos? just for future information...
thanks,
BTW dude your hilarious
TotalDiesel
Unregistered
04-23-2010, 09:07 AM
#20
04-23-2010, 10:59 AM
#21
(04-23-2010, 09:07 AM)TotalDiesel Diesel turbos typically double the output pressure of gasser turbos and more because the engines are strong enough to take the pressure and theres no need to worry about knocking.
so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?
also i know this is the engine thread but i want to know what your guys' opinion is on a lowered 1985 mercedes 300td wagon (1 or so inches), with flared fenders that blend into the oem look, some upgrades under the hood, and some Borbet type A rims:
http://img20.xooimage.com/files/6/6/8/bo...f10290.jpg
this is what im planning on doing so i was just wondering if the mercedes community would hate if i did this to one of the awesome diesel mercedes' out there
thanks,
This post was last modified: 04-23-2010, 11:14 AM by Rcdevil.
(04-23-2010, 09:07 AM)TotalDiesel Diesel turbos typically double the output pressure of gasser turbos and more because the engines are strong enough to take the pressure and theres no need to worry about knocking.
so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?
also i know this is the engine thread but i want to know what your guys' opinion is on a lowered 1985 mercedes 300td wagon (1 or so inches), with flared fenders that blend into the oem look, some upgrades under the hood, and some Borbet type A rims:
http://img20.xooimage.com/files/6/6/8/bo...f10290.jpg
this is what im planning on doing so i was just wondering if the mercedes community would hate if i did this to one of the awesome diesel mercedes' out there
thanks,
04-23-2010, 04:31 PM
#22
yankneck696
04-23-2010, 04:31 PM #22Do whatsoever you desire, because it's your car. Some may like it, some may not, but you're a teenager who will have a station wagon that vibrates..... Have fun with the girls.... ;-)
04-23-2010, 05:08 PM
#23
(04-23-2010, 10:59 AM)Rcdevil so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?There is no such thing as a g@s or diesel turbo. Turbos do the exact same thing on both types of engines, you just need to match the turbo to the airflow and pressure ratio you need.
ForcedInduction
04-23-2010, 05:08 PM
#23
(04-23-2010, 10:59 AM)Rcdevil so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?There is no such thing as a g@s or diesel turbo. Turbos do the exact same thing on both types of engines, you just need to match the turbo to the airflow and pressure ratio you need.
04-23-2010, 05:53 PM
#24
(04-23-2010, 05:08 PM)ForcedInduction(04-23-2010, 10:59 AM)Rcdevil so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?There is no such thing as a g@s or diesel turbo. Turbos do the exact same thing on both types of engines, you just need to match the turbo to the airflow and pressure ratio you need.
thanks, that makes it a lot easier now to choose
Well thanks everybody for the welcome to the forum and i appreciate your replies, and i hope to be an active member on this forum in the future!
Thanks again guys!
This post was last modified: 04-23-2010, 06:06 PM by Rcdevil.
(04-23-2010, 05:08 PM)ForcedInduction(04-23-2010, 10:59 AM)Rcdevil so when shopping for a turbo i will have to look for a diesel turbo, right?There is no such thing as a g@s or diesel turbo. Turbos do the exact same thing on both types of engines, you just need to match the turbo to the airflow and pressure ratio you need.
thanks, that makes it a lot easier now to choose
Well thanks everybody for the welcome to the forum and i appreciate your replies, and i hope to be an active member on this forum in the future!
Thanks again guys!
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
#25
Diesels and turbos were made for eachother, likes peas and carrots
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM #25Basically you can run any turbo on a diesel or a gasser, but a diesel will not be as hard on the components. For instance a VNT turbo will work on a gasser, but it won't last as long because the EGT's on a gasser are higher and the vanes will eventually fail.
Diesels and turbos were made for eachother, likes peas and carrots
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
04-24-2010, 06:03 AM
#26
(04-23-2010, 08:08 PM)Rudolf_Diesel but a diesel will not be as hard on the components.
From a thermal standpoint without a doubt, from a work-stress view they are probably about even. I'd say a g@s engine is easier on them since they spool up infrequently and to much lower pressures, but they have the sudden compressor flow shock of the throttle frequently closing (even with a relief valve).
ForcedInduction
04-24-2010, 06:03 AM
#26
(04-23-2010, 08:08 PM)Rudolf_Diesel but a diesel will not be as hard on the components.
From a thermal standpoint without a doubt, from a work-stress view they are probably about even. I'd say a g@s engine is easier on them since they spool up infrequently and to much lower pressures, but they have the sudden compressor flow shock of the throttle frequently closing (even with a relief valve).
04-24-2010, 08:30 AM
#27
(04-24-2010, 06:03 AM)ForcedInduction(04-23-2010, 08:08 PM)Rudolf_Diesel but a diesel will not be as hard on the components.
From a thermal standpoint without a doubt, from a work-stress view they are probably about even. I'd say a g@s engine is easier on them since they spool up infrequently and to much lower pressures, but they have the sudden compressor flow shock of the throttle frequently closing (even with a relief valve).
You have valid point, but I am referring to running at equal boost pressures. I should have stated that, but it was implied.
I had a gas engine that was in a sandrail and used to run 15 pounds of boost, I also had a BOV which seemed to help with the compressor flow shock, but it will never cure it completely.
I am not sure if I would bother with a gasser if I couldn't run high boost, what's the point?
I like to drive it like I stole it, if I can't then there is no reason to modify.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
Rudolf_Diesel
04-24-2010, 08:30 AM #27(04-24-2010, 06:03 AM)ForcedInduction(04-23-2010, 08:08 PM)Rudolf_Diesel but a diesel will not be as hard on the components.
From a thermal standpoint without a doubt, from a work-stress view they are probably about even. I'd say a g@s engine is easier on them since they spool up infrequently and to much lower pressures, but they have the sudden compressor flow shock of the throttle frequently closing (even with a relief valve).
You have valid point, but I am referring to running at equal boost pressures. I should have stated that, but it was implied.
I had a gas engine that was in a sandrail and used to run 15 pounds of boost, I also had a BOV which seemed to help with the compressor flow shock, but it will never cure it completely.
I am not sure if I would bother with a gasser if I couldn't run high boost, what's the point?
I like to drive it like I stole it, if I can't then there is no reason to modify.
1982 300SD: 304,xxx Super M-pump with 7.5mm elements, 265 Nozzles, GT35 water cooled turbo, M90 Supercharger, A/W Intercooler, Serpentine drive belt, 3" SS exhaust with Magnaflow muffler, 240 breather, AEM dry Filter, Manual Boost Control, EGT / Boost / EMP gauges....Moved on to other projects
1995 F-350 7.3L PSD: 230,xxx 6.0 IC, DIY Stage 1 Injectors, 17* hpop, Tony Wildman Chip, John Wood Trans, 6.4L TC, 3" down pipe, 4" straight exhaust, 310 HP on wheel dyno - 8500# dually: 0-60 in 6.98
Suzuki Samurai: VW 1.9L TD, Trackick doubler transfer case (made by me) 5.8:1 transfer case gears, YJ springs front and rear with rear missing links, wheel base extended 14", diffs welded, some day a VNT.
04-24-2010, 01:13 PM
#28
(04-24-2010, 08:30 AM)Rudolf_Diesel I am not sure if I would bother with a gasser if I couldn't run high boost, what's the point?
In a g@sser with a small engine and big body (like a Volvo) any little bit helps, especially at altitude. Though I agree with your statement. Thats why I applaud Ford for jumping (back) on the performance turbo bandwagon with some decent technology (direct injection) to accompany it.
ForcedInduction
04-24-2010, 01:13 PM
#28
(04-24-2010, 08:30 AM)Rudolf_Diesel I am not sure if I would bother with a gasser if I couldn't run high boost, what's the point?
In a g@sser with a small engine and big body (like a Volvo) any little bit helps, especially at altitude. Though I agree with your statement. Thats why I applaud Ford for jumping (back) on the performance turbo bandwagon with some decent technology (direct injection) to accompany it.
04-25-2010, 06:37 AM
#30
The 300 I'm running 18psi and as much fuel as the injection pump can move (about 145hp at the flywheel, 115 at the wheels compared to a stock 300D that will put 89hp to the ground).
ForcedInduction
04-25-2010, 06:37 AM
#30
The 240 I'm only running 13psi and limited fueling to increase longevity and fuel economy.
The 300 I'm running 18psi and as much fuel as the injection pump can move (about 145hp at the flywheel, 115 at the wheels compared to a stock 300D that will put 89hp to the ground).
04-26-2010, 12:33 PM
#32
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
yeah, WTF? I can't believe you would replace it with the chick from charlie and the chocolate factory. (I think)
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM
#33
(04-26-2010, 12:33 PM)dropnosky yeah, WTF? I can't believe you would replace it with the chick from charlie and the chocolate factory. (I think)
That is Veruca Salt of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
On a side note, the Band of the same name on was pretty cool back in the day.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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DeliveryValve
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM #33(04-26-2010, 12:33 PM)dropnosky yeah, WTF? I can't believe you would replace it with the chick from charlie and the chocolate factory. (I think)
That is Veruca Salt of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
On a side note, the Band of the same name on was pretty cool back in the day.
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Gota love Mercedes Diesels!
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04-26-2010, 03:17 PM
#34
(04-26-2010, 01:42 PM)DeliveryValve(04-26-2010, 12:33 PM)dropnosky yeah, WTF? I can't believe you would replace it with the chick from charlie and the chocolate factory. (I think)
That is Veruca Salt of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
On a side note, the Band of the same name on was pretty cool back in the day.
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Excellent. Thanks deliveryvalve, (I can't believe you remember her name!)
EDIT- How can we go from the rack of the gods to Veruca Salt from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
(04-26-2010, 01:42 PM)DeliveryValve(04-26-2010, 12:33 PM)dropnosky yeah, WTF? I can't believe you would replace it with the chick from charlie and the chocolate factory. (I think)
That is Veruca Salt of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
On a side note, the Band of the same name on was pretty cool back in the day.
.
Excellent. Thanks deliveryvalve, (I can't believe you remember her name!)
EDIT- How can we go from the rack of the gods to Veruca Salt from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
1974 240D 617 turbo swap, W201 5-speed, in the works project
1983 240D 616 stock, DD
1989 Chevy Astro, 617 turbo swap, T5 5-speed, 4.56 diff, work van
04-27-2010, 10:28 PM
#38
(04-27-2010, 09:08 PM)George3soccer Owned the sd. I like the wagooon.
which wagon w123 or w124?
ohh yea, and this is what i was wanting the sd to be looking like at the end
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7857/park6gp2.jpg
This post was last modified: 04-27-2010, 11:20 PM by Rcdevil.
(04-27-2010, 09:08 PM)George3soccer Owned the sd. I like the wagooon.
which wagon w123 or w124?
ohh yea, and this is what i was wanting the sd to be looking like at the end
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7857/park6gp2.jpg
04-28-2010, 12:26 AM
#39
nice looking w126, sure wish that would be a diesel under the hood. most likely not.
George3soccer
04-28-2010, 12:26 AM #39owned a w124 with a 602.
nice looking w126, sure wish that would be a diesel under the hood. most likely not.
04-28-2010, 10:03 AM
#40
This is one of the few(if not only) forums on the internet that is dedicated to not only these old diesels, but tuning these old diesels.
Theres a wealth of knowledge to be learned on here.
Ive read every dang topic(almost) on this site and still learn from it everyday.
And by the way, if your interested in seeing everyones views on running veggie in these cars you should go check out the Alt Fuels section of the board!
This post was last modified: 04-28-2010, 10:06 AM by garage.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
Best advise that anyone on this board could give you would be to read, read, read, and then put that gained knowledge into action.
This is one of the few(if not only) forums on the internet that is dedicated to not only these old diesels, but tuning these old diesels.
Theres a wealth of knowledge to be learned on here.
Ive read every dang topic(almost) on this site and still learn from it everyday.
And by the way, if your interested in seeing everyones views on running veggie in these cars you should go check out the Alt Fuels section of the board!
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
04-28-2010, 10:49 AM
#41
(04-28-2010, 12:26 AM)George3soccer owned a w124 with a 602.
nice looking w126, sure wish that would be a diesel under the hood. most likely not.
yea it is a 560sel, that brings me beack to how i found out about these older merc's, because my dad actually owns a 560sel and 560sl and he used to own a 300sd
(04-28-2010, 10:03 AM)garage Best advise that anyone on this board could give you would be to read, read, read, and then put that gained knowledge into action.
This is one of the few(if not only) forums on the internet that is dedicated to not only these old diesels, but tuning these old diesels.
Theres a wealth of knowledge to be learned on here.
Ive read every dang topic(almost) on this site and still learn from it everyday.
And by the way, if your interested in seeing everyones views on running veggie in these cars you should go check out the Alt Fuels section of the board!
thanks for the advice, im slowly going through the all the threads
and im still undecided actually on the car but ill cross that bridge once i get there.
This post was last modified: 04-28-2010, 11:03 AM by Rcdevil.
(04-28-2010, 12:26 AM)George3soccer owned a w124 with a 602.
nice looking w126, sure wish that would be a diesel under the hood. most likely not.
yea it is a 560sel, that brings me beack to how i found out about these older merc's, because my dad actually owns a 560sel and 560sl and he used to own a 300sd
(04-28-2010, 10:03 AM)garage Best advise that anyone on this board could give you would be to read, read, read, and then put that gained knowledge into action.
This is one of the few(if not only) forums on the internet that is dedicated to not only these old diesels, but tuning these old diesels.
Theres a wealth of knowledge to be learned on here.
Ive read every dang topic(almost) on this site and still learn from it everyday.
And by the way, if your interested in seeing everyones views on running veggie in these cars you should go check out the Alt Fuels section of the board!
thanks for the advice, im slowly going through the all the threads
and im still undecided actually on the car but ill cross that bridge once i get there.
04-28-2010, 01:51 PM
#42
I just recently purchased a 1979 240D w123 with a stick shift, and let me tell you, it has much less power, but its much much more fun to drive with that stick!
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
Ive owned a 1983 300SD w126, and a 1979 300SD w116, both were automatics, and both were great cars.
I just recently purchased a 1979 240D w123 with a stick shift, and let me tell you, it has much less power, but its much much more fun to drive with that stick!
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
07-26-2010, 10:58 PM
#44
and also sorry to be the bearer of bad news........ but im really sorry to say that i will most likely be getting a vw
im not out of the whole mercedes thing though because i still think its awesome but for it being my first car i mainly need the mpg for going to and from school. but trust me there is still a spot in my heart for a diesel mercedes as there is nothing like one and my dad also has a 560sel and a 560sl so i still get reminded of them every day. and yea, just wanted to say that im not just gonna move on from you guys and this forum like some people have. hope you guys can understand
no actually i just turned 15 in may.
and also sorry to be the bearer of bad news........ but im really sorry to say that i will most likely be getting a vw im not out of the whole mercedes thing though because i still think its awesome but for it being my first car i mainly need the mpg for going to and from school. but trust me there is still a spot in my heart for a diesel mercedes as there is nothing like one and my dad also has a 560sel and a 560sl so i still get reminded of them every day. and yea, just wanted to say that im not just gonna move on from you guys and this forum like some people have.
hope you guys can understand
07-27-2010, 11:17 PM
#46
(07-26-2010, 10:58 PM)Rcdevil no actually i just turned 15 in may.
and also sorry to be the bearer of bad news........ but im really sorry to say that i will most likely be getting a vw
hope you guys can understand
What year TDi are you looking at? Mk3 or Mk4 I assume?
Add a GIAC performance Flash on an Mk4 and you'll see ~25-35bhp/65-85btq gain(higher gains w/ full exhaust, like Techtonics Tuning); http://giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=152
1980 W460 300GD LWB 4spd manual, AKA "Radio Flyer"
(07-26-2010, 10:58 PM)Rcdevil no actually i just turned 15 in may.
and also sorry to be the bearer of bad news........ but im really sorry to say that i will most likely be getting a vw
hope you guys can understand
What year TDi are you looking at? Mk3 or Mk4 I assume?
Add a GIAC performance Flash on an Mk4 and you'll see ~25-35bhp/65-85btq gain(higher gains w/ full exhaust, like Techtonics Tuning); http://giacusa.com/programs.php?mpid=152
1980 W460 300GD LWB 4spd manual, AKA "Radio Flyer"
07-28-2010, 12:29 AM
#48
(07-28-2010, 12:06 AM)Rcdevil mk4 tdi
and thanks for suggestions, probably gonna do it, and yea ive been on the vwvortex forum and am gaining more and more info on the mk4 golfs. and also its gonna be in the style of vw vortex and will probably be lowered and etc.
thanks,
Ok cool, they're good lil' 1.9L's.
VWVortex is the largest forum but take what you read with a grain of salt. Lots of jibberish on there. Easy mods on an Mk4 TDi are GIAC Flash, Techtonics downpipe/cat-back, maybe water-meth if you want?. CAI won't do anything. No real larger i/c's out there currently. Kerma TDi has some upgraded turbos and such for down the road.
LMK if you have any further questions.
1980 W460 300GD LWB 4spd manual, AKA "Radio Flyer"
(07-28-2010, 12:06 AM)Rcdevil mk4 tdi
and thanks for suggestions, probably gonna do it, and yea ive been on the vwvortex forum and am gaining more and more info on the mk4 golfs. and also its gonna be in the style of vw vortex and will probably be lowered and etc.
thanks,
Ok cool, they're good lil' 1.9L's.
VWVortex is the largest forum but take what you read with a grain of salt. Lots of jibberish on there. Easy mods on an Mk4 TDi are GIAC Flash, Techtonics downpipe/cat-back, maybe water-meth if you want?. CAI won't do anything. No real larger i/c's out there currently. Kerma TDi has some upgraded turbos and such for down the road.
LMK if you have any further questions.
1980 W460 300GD LWB 4spd manual, AKA "Radio Flyer"
08-01-2010, 07:36 PM
#50
After my wifes VR6 I will never get a water cooled VW again.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Buying a VW - All the high priced maintenance of a BMW or Mercedes but you get the ride quality of a yugo.
After my wifes VR6 I will never get a water cooled VW again.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
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