performance options?
performance options?
thanks in advance for ANY help!
im a total newb to MBZ so please forgive me lol.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
06-22-2011, 06:17 PM #1SO, would anyone care to fill me in on what my options are for performance shocks, springs, sways, bushings are? does anyone know what the dimensions are on the swaybar/ mount bushings are so i can get them in poly/delrin/whatever? what about better a-arm bushings?
thanks in advance for ANY help!
im a total newb to MBZ so please forgive me lol.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
06-24-2011, 08:46 PM #2Some Delrin bushings would be sweet!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
wow, no replies. is there really no performance suspension stuffs out there for 123's?
i guess i'll have to dig harder.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
06-25-2011, 02:37 PM #3IKNOWRITE!?!
wow, no replies. is there really no performance suspension stuffs out there for 123's?
i guess i'll have to dig harder.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
I never could find any performance/upgraded bushings. I would say just replacing all of em would make a world of difference.
Ive heard that H&R makes springs for the w123..
Also found this site. Never looked into any further though.
http://www.slmarket.com/springs.htm
Also you can look into Vogtland springs(im not sure on the spelling), some members ordered them, some liked em, some didnt.
As for shocks, Bilstein makes some for the w123, i think comfort, sport, and heavy duty.
Other than that i dont know if theres too much more out there...
Let us know what you find.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
You can get a larger front swaybar from a wagon, thatll stiffen up the front suspension.
I never could find any performance/upgraded bushings. I would say just replacing all of em would make a world of difference.
Ive heard that H&R makes springs for the w123..
Also found this site. Never looked into any further though.
http://www.slmarket.com/springs.htm
Also you can look into Vogtland springs(im not sure on the spelling), some members ordered them, some liked em, some didnt.
As for shocks, Bilstein makes some for the w123, i think comfort, sport, and heavy duty.
Other than that i dont know if theres too much more out there...
Let us know what you find.
1987 300D: EGR Delete, ARV Delete, Cold Air Intake...
for the wagon front sway, what years? 79-85? has anyone tried doing a double/stacked sway setup on the back
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
06-25-2011, 07:30 PM #5^holy wowzers!!! 800 bones for a set of sports springs from that place! man, i got IPD track springs for my volvo for $200 lol.
for the wagon front sway, what years? 79-85? has anyone tried doing a double/stacked sway setup on the back
cars? what cars? WHERE???
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
Any of the turbo wagon bars will be thicker. No OE upgrades left for the rear sway bar. You could make one with a larger bar from a SEC or so and chop/weld it. You can get H&R springs, there was a group by of vogtlands a while ago, you may want to try contacting them or lopping off a few coils on what you have. Bilstein HD is best for suspension. There is a Kmac kit for the rear, but I dont know anyone who has used them.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Has anyone tried adapting an aftermarket rear sway bar for a MK3 or MK4 Jetta/Golf? I'm going to have to run to the VW dealership next door at lunch and see how wide they are under there. I used to work there, I remember they have some add-on type that bolt onto the bottom of the VW rear suspension. I'll report back with width after lunch...
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
So VW didn't have a car with an aftermarket rear swaybar in it. But, they did have a Mk4 Golf up on a rack. So, I did take some measurements and did some eyeball measuring against pictures on the interwebs, and it looks like a neuspeed one is going to be about 44" wide at the open ends, with about 14" arms. I'll see if I can compare to my 123 tonight.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
randomdude
07-12-2011, 07:35 PM #9sweet! that would open up a TON of possiblities.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
Back on to the original question though about bushings, etc. I don't know of any performance bushings. I am wondering though, about making bushings better. I've seen it done where people take a stock bushing and add poly around it to make it stiffer. Or, just make a bushing from the shot stock pieces. Here is a random thread using the stuff I was thinking of.
http://www.volvolution.com/forum/viewtop...f=86&t=838
I've seen people add this to a stock bushing (that has openings) to make it stiffer. This guy used a stock bushing, minus the rubber bits, and formed his own poly around it. Seems this could be a cheap way to get better bushings if done correctly. It also sounds like there are different durometers it would seem. Even brand new stock bushings are going to be better than whats in my car right now. LOL
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Well it was starting to get dark when I got home last night. I looked as best as I could. The arm length may be too long. I'm going to try to check again. I'm off tomorrow, will see about having daylight to see how it looks.
Back on to the original question though about bushings, etc. I don't know of any performance bushings. I am wondering though, about making bushings better. I've seen it done where people take a stock bushing and add poly around it to make it stiffer. Or, just make a bushing from the shot stock pieces. Here is a random thread using the stuff I was thinking of.
http://www.volvolution.com/forum/viewtop...f=86&t=838
I've seen people add this to a stock bushing (that has openings) to make it stiffer. This guy used a stock bushing, minus the rubber bits, and formed his own poly around it. Seems this could be a cheap way to get better bushings if done correctly. It also sounds like there are different durometers it would seem. Even brand new stock bushings are going to be better than whats in my car right now. LOL
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-13-2011, 12:03 AM #11Why not make some out of uhmw?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
And before you ask, no, I will not machine UHMW. Shit doesn't turn worth a dog fart.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
You took the words outa my fingers.
And before you ask, no, I will not machine UHMW. Shit doesn't turn worth a dog fart.
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
UHMW? Ultra Hot Midget Woman? Uncle Harrys Magic Whiskey? Huh, I got nothin here.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
It machines, it's just a bear because it's so gummy...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene, aka UHMW-PE, aka UHMW.
It machines, it's just a bear because it's so gummy...
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 SOHC 24V 6g72
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-check first.
My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
(07-13-2011, 09:53 AM)Biohazard UHMW? Ultra Hot Midget Woman? Uncle Harrys Magic Whiskey? Huh, I got nothin here.
Lmao I'm glad I'm not the only one who's never heard of it
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
07-13-2011, 10:51 AM #15(07-13-2011, 09:53 AM)Biohazard UHMW? Ultra Hot Midget Woman? Uncle Harrys Magic Whiskey? Huh, I got nothin here.
Lmao I'm glad I'm not the only one who's never heard of it
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
LOL Thanks for clearing that up, makes waaaay more sense than what I came up with.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
I don't know the specifics of either but I'd think its a great option, just kinda difficult to machine
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-13-2011, 04:36 PM #17Like delrin but has very good impact resistance and is very slippery
I don't know the specifics of either but I'd think its a great option, just kinda difficult to machine
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
the best stuff to use is "window weld" from the auto parts store. when i went to full poly engine/trans bushings on my turbo volvo, the diffrence in off the line improvement was unbelieveable. waaay more than i thought possible simply by switching bushing material.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-13-2011, 06:26 PM #18ive done the DIY many a time, and is what i'll be doing now if i dont find anything after a few more searches.
the best stuff to use is "window weld" from the auto parts store. when i went to full poly engine/trans bushings on my turbo volvo, the diffrence in off the line improvement was unbelieveable. waaay more than i thought possible simply by switching bushing material.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
So it looks like a mk4 Jetta add on rear sway bar is going to be close. Looks like the arms would have to be cut down a few inches, possibly tight on the width too. I'll see if I can find a mk4 or even mk3 one to borrow for fitment.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
the front shock/spring setup is a bummer, cuz you cant do DIY front coilovers.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-14-2011, 01:49 PM #20that'd be awesome! energy suspension sells universal poly sway bar bushing, all you need is the measurments. so a wagon front sway, and then maybe a mod'd mk4 rear, with poly bushings on both would be sweeet.
the front shock/spring setup is a bummer, cuz you cant do DIY front coilovers.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
I've put the good word in with a guy I know to see if I can borrow a rear sway bar. I'll update with results when I have them.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
cars? what cars? WHERE???
randomdude
07-20-2011, 01:44 PM #22sweeet. good research sir. and check out energysuspension, universal poly bushings.
cars? what cars? WHERE???
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
I found a couple custom spring shops on google last night. Seems like the going price for custom sway bar is about $250 or so which is inline with MB pricing.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
I had checked with a spring/bushing shop that is local to me, they quoted me about 400 bucks last year. If you find one for closer to 250, please let us know!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-22-2011, 04:58 PM #25Eibach! FTW! Their headquarters is 20 min from my house.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
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