Drip timing on a 85 Cali car?
Drip timing on a 85 Cali car?
07-09-2011, 02:07 PM
#1
I'm getting a reading of 14° retarded.
The car has smoke on the top end and has alot of intake noise.
This post was last modified: 07-09-2011, 02:28 PM by dieselboy.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Is there some specific way to do it?
I'm getting a reading of 14° retarded.
The car has smoke on the top end and has alot of intake noise.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-09-2011, 02:38 PM
#2
Have you tried advancing it at all?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-09-2011, 02:38 PM #2Not unless there is something different with the emissions BS that I dont know about.
Have you tried advancing it at all?
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-09-2011, 02:42 PM
#3
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Nah were going to mess with it tomorrow. My car too. Mine dripped out to 11° advanced lol.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-09-2011, 03:19 PM
#4
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-09-2011, 03:19 PM #4Oh wow. Mine was at 18 advanced and it ran like poop
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-09-2011, 05:31 PM
#5
A little different slant at timing pump,very accurate. Attach a 2ft.long hose with banjo fitting at inj.pump fuel inlet,attach second hose to #1 cyl. inj.pump outlet by using part of( extra ) steel line,insert the free end into a small clear container,place container higher than pump,where can be easily seen, fill with water. .Following pump timing procedures. Just blow through fuel inlet hose ,watch bubbles exiting outlet hose. When bubbles just stop or slow to one every (3) sec. pump timed. Nice thing about this method,Both hands are free,easy to see. Don"t worry, have used this method many times,compared to drip method ..
07-10-2011, 11:59 AM
#6
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Drip method seems eaiser.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-10-2011, 12:54 PM
#7
If you have an '85 (and probably other years- ?), you have the port for the riv tool. they can be expensive but if you know someone nearby with one, try to borrow it.
Good luck. I still haven't figured out the drip method.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
timing on '85 Calif car is the same as on other 617.952 engines.
If you have an '85 (and probably other years- ?), you have the port for the riv tool. they can be expensive but if you know someone nearby with one, try to borrow it.
Good luck. I still haven't figured out the drip method.
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'84 G-Wagen turbodiesel
'75 240D 4-Speed
07-10-2011, 02:35 PM
#8
This post was last modified: 07-10-2011, 02:35 PM by dieselboy.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
I dripped a friends Sd and it's perfect. His wagon is a 85 and its giving us a 17° retarded reading. My car is saying 11° Advanced
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-10-2011, 03:35 PM
#9
(07-09-2011, 05:31 PM)Hercules A little different slant at timing pump,very accurate. Attach a 2ft.long hose with banjo fitting at inj.pump fuel inlet,attach second hose to #1 cyl. inj.pump outlet by using part of( extra ) steel line,insert the free end into a small clear container,place container higher than pump,where can be easily seen, fill with water. .Following pump timing procedures. Just blow through fuel inlet hose ,watch bubbles exiting outlet hose. When bubbles just stop or slow to one every (3) sec. pump timed. Nice thing about this method,Both hands are free,easy to see. Don"t worry, have used this method many times,compared to drip method ..
This does seem a bit easier to me. Quick question, or clearification. I'm assuming you still pull the innner part of the delivery valve out of #1 to use this meathod? It seems you would have to, but I would like to make sure I'm on the same page. Thanks!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
(07-09-2011, 05:31 PM)Hercules A little different slant at timing pump,very accurate. Attach a 2ft.long hose with banjo fitting at inj.pump fuel inlet,attach second hose to #1 cyl. inj.pump outlet by using part of( extra ) steel line,insert the free end into a small clear container,place container higher than pump,where can be easily seen, fill with water. .Following pump timing procedures. Just blow through fuel inlet hose ,watch bubbles exiting outlet hose. When bubbles just stop or slow to one every (3) sec. pump timed. Nice thing about this method,Both hands are free,easy to see. Don"t worry, have used this method many times,compared to drip method ..
This does seem a bit easier to me. Quick question, or clearification. I'm assuming you still pull the innner part of the delivery valve out of #1 to use this meathod? It seems you would have to, but I would like to make sure I'm on the same page. Thanks!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
07-10-2011, 04:53 PM
#10
Yes, same method as drip. Note , can back up engine when timing,be sure to back up min. 30 deg.,This is ok"ed by Mbz. I use p/s pulley nut to rotate engine,Just push down on belt if pulley slips or tighten loose belt. Using bubble method allows single person to time pump,very easy seen,remember timing is set rotating engine to just fuel stop. Must have vac.pull disconnected,and throttle at full. (best with engine Off) lol;
07-10-2011, 05:56 PM
#11
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Awesome info! Thanks again for the great tip!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
07-11-2011, 02:19 PM
#12
I'm doing it exactly like we did his Sd and the Sd runs great.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
Would the engine even run worth a crap at 17° retard?
I'm doing it exactly like we did his Sd and the Sd runs great.
-Jesse
80 300sd hy35, front mount intercooler, w115 intake, rack limiter removed, Alda removed, full load turned up, boost, ebp, trans, pyro, egr delete, 3.5" exhaust, e-fan, 16x8 rims with, 245/50 tires, lowered, bilstien 5100's, 12" front brakes, 2.65:1 diff.
97 f250 psd 4x4, crawler
70 f250 390
83 Volvo 242, lots of mods
66 Volvo amazon
10 mistsubishi fuso service truck.
07-11-2011, 03:15 PM
#13
Like I said mine ran like shit @ 18° BTDC not ATDC haha
This post was last modified: 07-11-2011, 03:17 PM by Captain America.
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
Captain America
07-11-2011, 03:15 PM #13I wouldnt think it would run or even try to!
Like I said mine ran like shit @ 18° BTDC not ATDC haha
1982 300D Turbo ... 3,6xxlbs, No fan, No AC, Hood Stack, No ALDA, No rear bumper and stuffed front, A/W Intercooled, Injectors by Greezer and HUGE Pre-Chambers with help from OM616 & Simpler=Better, Fuel Cranked up, 60 Trim Compressor wheel, EGT, EMP, Boost 50" Rigid Radius bar on roof Aux tank for a total of 48 Gal Of Diesel! Odyssey PC-1750 Battery in trunk, 27"x8.5"/R14 Maxxis BigHorn Mud Terrains, In June '14 issue of Off Road Mag
AX15 Jeep Trans swap in progress....
07-11-2011, 03:22 PM
#14
Edit: GAH! It's only Monday, not off till Wed. DAMN!!
This post was last modified: 07-11-2011, 03:43 PM by Biohazard.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
^^^ What he said. I'm going to try this method on my brothers car and see what it shows. Hopefully, Wed afternoon. I have to replace the lift pump gasket anyways, to I'll be in the right area at least! LOL
Edit: GAH! It's only Monday, not off till Wed. DAMN!!
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
07-18-2011, 09:17 AM
#15
This post was last modified: 07-18-2011, 09:17 AM by winmutt.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
07-18-2011, 10:33 AM
#16
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Didn't have time to check timing. I'm putting rebuild injectors in his car this Wed, will try retiming it after that.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
07-20-2011, 03:47 PM
#17
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
Got the rebuilt injectors put in and used Hercules' method of timing the pump. WAAAY easier! I set it to 26 BTDC and it is running like a champ again. I would highly recommend this method for setting timing.
82 300SD aka The Flyin Pumpkin (Gone): 7.5mm super M-pump, T3 60 trim turbo, Coldish air intake, A/W intercooler, propane injection, SW Boost and EGT gauges, Monark 265 nozzles, ported/polished cylinder head.
84 Euro 300D 4 sp: White with black trunk and hood. Blue cloth interior. Manual everything. 300DT front swaybar. C320 17" wheels. Now with the Flyin Pumpkins engine!
07-21-2011, 10:02 PM
#18
(07-18-2011, 09:17 AM)winmutt I've never had any luck with drip timing really. Just get the lock tool for the A/B port and time it that way.
Where might I be able to buy said tool?
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
led-panzer
07-21-2011, 10:02 PM #18(07-18-2011, 09:17 AM)winmutt I've never had any luck with drip timing really. Just get the lock tool for the A/B port and time it that way.
Where might I be able to buy said tool?
1984 300D 4-speed ~200,000 miles
7.5mm M-pump, GT3582 turbo, F-Tune Performance intake/exhaust manifolds, A/A intercooler, 315 nozzles, Enlarged prechambers, Bosch 044 feed pump, Custom lightweight flywheel with 240mm clutch, Lowered, 17" AMG rims - 300 hp OM617 project
1985 300D 280,000 miles RIP
2001 F350 7.3 DP tuner, 4"exhaust, S&B intake
07-22-2011, 10:12 AM
#19
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
rusty @ buymbparts.biz is where I get all my stuff. He recently hooked up with Autohaus AZ's distrib so he can beat them on 95% of the goods.
1987 300D Sturmmachine
1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
OBK #42
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