(05-19-2010, 09:12 AM)Rudolf_Diesel

(05-19-2010, 08:48 AM)winmutt * winmutt waits patiently for the bottom to fall out of the euro...

I know what you mean buddy!

Fortunately the next phase of the project is all available in the USA...

A Tremec TKO 500 5-speed transmission...more deatils and a seperate thread to follow.

(06-06-2010, 03:50 PM)gsxr OK, so when can someone replicate this on an OM603 pump...?

(06-02-2010, 12:01 AM)tomnik to be honest, not too exciting up to now.
I made an IP and my friend is running it in his n/a.
First thing was that the car smoked a lot and was nailing (in combination with power loss) beyond let's say 3500-4000 rpm and pedal depressed. Then we decreased the full load and everything was perfect. No power gain at low rpm but beyond 3000 the engine climbed up to 5400 like hell. He has the 3.8?? rear end and top speed is limited by rpm max.
Now this lazy bone is not able for weeks now to play with timing. Actually the timing is set at 8 deg before TDC! This was how it came up when he installed the IP. In my opinion this is far too late but he can't find the time to change it.
Also those are the rest of the 7mm crap elements I had sitting around where we took the 5 best for the IP.
I will up date the progress as soon as he gets further.

Tom

(06-01-2010, 09:31 PM)jonbobshinigin I know I have seen this addressed briefly before but: What would something like this look like on a NA (Naturally Aspirated) 617?

(06-11-2010, 08:22 AM)Deni How can you go faster without more air?

(06-11-2010, 02:16 PM)meareweird Hey, tom I've got an interesting proposal for you! I have got an M-pump lying around first off the bad news front delivery valve holder has broken off with threads inside and damage to the IP Block. So question one could fix that and rebuild the pump with larger elements, or barring that if I could get it fixed I could mail it to you for the larger element treatment. Either way please email me at meareweird@yahoo.com to discuss.

Also slightly more on topic what are the EGT's looking like on that N/A and obviously this will lower engine life considering the unequal heating and ovalation required for the pistons as described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirect_injection any thoughts on this?

(06-11-2010, 02:31 PM)Alastair E Hi Tom!

--Are you coming to the UK in the next couple of weeks or so...?

--If so, I have a couple of 'M' type for 617 just gathering dust, they are all in good running order, and are just spares....

You're welcome to them, as I would also like to try the M75 elements in my N/A engine too....

(06-16-2010, 01:24 AM)12mpghwy So whats the total cost of this treatment on an OM603 IP?

(06-21-2010, 03:17 PM)plurkje Are there ways to have such a swap of elements to be done in Germany?
I live in the Netherlands and would be interested to gain a little more power.

Peanuts, regarding what will turn out if the small rest of the job will do well.
Jokin', 60 Eur/element from my side.
Contact Derv for the swap and set up.

and even mini peanuts compared to the beautiful engine of Rudolf.

Tom

(07-19-2010, 10:41 PM)jonbobshinigin Any update on a 603 pump?

(07-22-2010, 08:50 PM)jonbobshinigin Dervs inbox is full...I guess I'd like to read about a 603 success because I cannot afford to be a tester at this point. Plus get another of my cars running so that I'll have a backup. Plus get and intercooler. Plus a pyrometer, larger turbo, and install the Euro W140 Exhaust Manifold I got 6 months ago that is sitting on the shelf.

(07-23-2010, 03:34 PM)jeemu I dont remember if i asked, but how much these 7.5mm elements can supply fuel?

(07-24-2010, 05:30 AM)Alastair E Then again, I think with 7.5mm we will run out of air/engine capabilities--even with a mega tuned 606/605 with the biggest darn turbo you could fit, before this point in the delivery curve....

(05-12-2010, 10:20 AM)DervTuning The super pump lives! For further testing of the bench settings on the pump, it is highly desirable to fit the pump to an engine to get dynamic qualitative, and quantitative feedback. The goal is to have a perfectly setup pump, with optimal delivery and response characteristics. This ensures that once the customer gets the pump, it is simply a plug and play situation. All fun, and no problems!

Therefore, I installed the super pump onto the engine in the 85 w123 that is running an authentic Garrett, basically full T4 turbo (compressor and turbine wheels, with a t3 inlet on the turbine housing), a 3" diameter downpipe, and water injection, for an evaluation of idle response, as well as other key parameters for performance. This is in the case that something needs attention, the pump can be fitted back to the bench for adjustments before being shipped out.

The results are in; the engine has never idled so well! Totally smooth, and driving at low speeds, the tip in response was excellent, with no issues with surging or other strange effects. Immediately, the effect of more fuel delivery, as well as faster delivery was observed, whilst driving a usual route.

Subsequently, merging onto the freeway, a wholly different beast was unleashed under the hood, with power like never before. Before I knew it, I was just over the speed I normally would drive at, just an ultra smooth flow of power coupled with fine sounds as the turbo responded. Very, very impressive! After a quick systems check, and a clear space in front of me, the transmission was placed into 3rd @ 65mph, yielding near 4K rpms and the throttle depressed; instantly, the boost shot up to ~30psi, as well as the EGTs which stabilized as the boost kicked in, and then wheelspin occurred! Incredible! This is not a small turbo either, but I've never seen it respond so well compared to other platforms I've tried the same turbo in (gas engines).

It should be noted that prior to the super pump install, with the stock MW adjusted to it's maximum, I was getting ~10 psi max.

I will be able to resume testing later in the day, and if everything goes as well as it has, the super pump will be shipped out straightaway!

(08-14-2010, 11:51 PM)walton chang how much more
power can I realize 20 to 30%?

(08-16-2010, 12:30 PM)gsxr Since the other thread was closed (sigh), I'll repeat the question

(08-16-2010, 12:30 PM)gsxr Since the other thread was closed (sigh), I'll repeat the question:

Is the "water injection" injecting water, methanol, or a mixture...?

(08-16-2010, 12:34 PM)ForcedInduction Ditto on the "(sigh)", I've asked him not to lock my threads or delete on-topic posts in them.

(08-16-2010, 12:26 PM)winmutt http://superturbodiesel.com/std/dyno-results-t-187.html#pid16195

30psi? You have to be seeing valve float on the intake side right? That is an incredible dyno. What kind of EGTs are you running in these?

(08-16-2010, 12:30 PM)gsxr Since the other thread was closed (sigh), I'll repeat the question:

Is the "water injection" injecting water, methanol, or a mixture...?

(08-16-2010, 05:08 PM)ForcedInduction What has been done to the transmission in all of this?

(08-17-2010, 09:54 AM)gsxr Wow. OK, for those of us who are a little slow (in more ways than one)... how does injecting plain tap water provide that kind of additional power? I had (wrongly) assumed you were injecting methanol which was adding extra fuel, to provide the power gain. I understand the water injection reducing EGT's, but I don't get where the ~20% power gain came from. Perhaps the pump adjustment also increased the fuel delivery...?

(08-17-2010, 02:33 PM)gsxr Another question from the peanut gallery... you mentioned increased boost on the second dyno run. Was that the result of changing the wastegate setting to open at higher pressure, or was it a result of supplying more fuel via the increased governor/limiter adjustment? Maybe both?

(08-17-2010, 06:10 PM)ForcedInduction The methanol must be counteracting the water, my EGTs don't drop even a tiny bit when its activated.

(05-12-2010, 10:20 AM)DervTuning The super pump lives! For further testing of the bench settings on the pump, it is highly desirable to fit the pump to an engine to get dynamic qualitative, and quantitative feedback. The goal is to have a perfectly setup pump, with optimal delivery and response characteristics. This ensures that once the customer gets the pump, it is simply a plug and play situation. All fun, and no problems!

Therefore, I installed the super pump onto the engine in the 85 w123 that is running an authentic Garrett, basically full T4 turbo (compressor and turbine wheels, with a t3 inlet on the turbine housing), a 3" diameter downpipe, and water injection, for an evaluation of idle response, as well as other key parameters for performance. This is in the case that something needs attention, the pump can be fitted back to the bench for adjustments before being shipped out.

The results are in; the engine has never idled so well! Totally smooth, and driving at low speeds, the tip in response was excellent, with no issues with surging or other strange effects. Immediately, the effect of more fuel delivery, as well as faster delivery was observed, whilst driving a usual route.

Subsequently, merging onto the freeway, a wholly different beast was unleashed under the hood, with power like never before. Before I knew it, I was just over the speed I normally would drive at, just an ultra smooth flow of power coupled with fine sounds as the turbo responded. Very, very impressive! After a quick systems check, and a clear space in front of me, the transmission was placed into 3rd @ 65mph, yielding near 4K rpms and the throttle depressed; instantly, the boost shot up to ~30psi, as well as the EGTs which stabilized as the boost kicked in, and then wheelspin occurred! Incredible! This is not a small turbo either, but I've never seen it respond so well compared to other platforms I've tried the same turbo in (gas engines).

It should be noted that prior to the super pump install, with the stock MW adjusted to it's maximum, I was getting ~10 psi max.

I will be able to resume testing later in the day, and if everything goes as well as it has, the super pump will be shipped out straightaway!

(07-24-2010, 05:00 PM)Tymbrymi

(07-24-2010, 05:30 AM)Alastair E Then again, I think with 7.5mm we will run out of air/engine capabilities--even with a mega tuned 606/605 with the biggest darn turbo you could fit, before this point in the delivery curve....

I dunno about that! jeemu has 529HP out of his 605!!