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RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mercemann - 08-15-2012
(08-14-2012, 05:28 AM)dieselmerc I guess it's like the 8mm mynä, it very very sensitive on the throttle, almost a bit anoying sensitive
You are right.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 08-15-2012
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4523298681979
A small teaser, another clip will bee made soon. This 603 only have 1,5 bar of boost and 160cc of fuel, max rpm 5000 full load. Inlet mainfold was cracked, so we had some boost leak there.
If the clip dont work, check out my facebook in my signature.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - 300SD_KY - 08-17-2012
you guys are CRAZY!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - RICHIS - 08-17-2012
nice i need that sort of style out my om605!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - sassparilla_kid - 08-18-2012
I'm putting money away for an m-pump, hopefully by spring time I will have enough for one, and for a set of elements!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - sassparilla_kid - 08-18-2012
Any idea how much horsepower a 617 could get from one of these pumps, with big turbo and I/C of course?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 08-20-2012
Here is 140cc series 1 elements in action
Race mode:
Stealth mode= 50-80 hp less (restrictive exhaust!)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 08-20-2012
shes going well. Keep the videos coming
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 08-22-2012
Serie 1 elements:
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 09-09-2012
356whp from 140cc of fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjsiA0HHUk
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 09-09-2012
(09-09-2012, 03:24 AM)dieselmeken 356whp from 140cc of fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjsiA0HHUk
What are specs?
I dyno Mynä 7mm 150cc 449whp on 605
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 09-09-2012
(09-09-2012, 03:24 AM)dieselmeken 356whp from 140cc of fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjsiA0HHUk
Did I read that right? 1680 nm?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - HoleshotHolset - 09-09-2012
It's 1680nm at the hubs...not to the tire.
It's right around 550nm (405 ft-lbs) to the tire.
Beers,
Matt
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 09-10-2012
(09-09-2012, 01:46 PM)jeemu(09-09-2012, 03:24 AM)dieselmeken 356whp from 140cc of fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjsiA0HHUk
What are specs?
I dyno Mynä 7mm 150cc 449whp on 605
EDH_performance have the spec, 400bhp was the goal and that was reached with + tolerance. this was his first dynorun with this engine.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 09-10-2012
Hi,
Yes this is my first dyno with this engine and I am pleased because I have not any performance camshafts and running stock prechambers. I will post some dynocharts soon!
That beeing said, this is the specs of the todays engine regards performance not strength:
Positiv:
-Ported head
-God flowing and tuned exhaust manifold
-Good turbo match (Still china turbo, but I have machined antisurge), surged before at 2 bars at low rpm, now it does 2.6 bars without any problem!
- 3" straight pipe exhaust with no muffler
- Eaton M90 with small nosewheel, does around 0.9bar at 2500rpm.
- Strong valvesprings
Negativ:
- valve between compressor/turbo opens a bit to late, so a pressure drop is seen in dynochart (This is easy to fix, but don`t had the time before dyno day)
Dieselmeken aka "The boss" is willing to rebuild my pump with series 2 180cc elements, and then I will dyno again!
This time with just pump upgrade, then with rebored prechambers, then with camshaft
Stay tuned guys
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 09-10-2012
(09-09-2012, 10:33 PM)HoleshotHolset It's 1680nm at the hubs...not to the tire.
It's right around 550nm (405 ft-lbs) to the tire.
Beers,
Matt
Can you explain for me?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 09-10-2012
You need to divide the nm on the hub on total gear ratio to the engine, in this case divide it by 3,07
we dynoed in fitft gear (1:1) and final gear (3,07)
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 09-11-2012
My search for quality parts continue, On Thursday - Saturday I will wisit the
http://automechanika.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en/besucher/messebesuch.html
Hopfully I can find some nice people down there that can help me to keep on developing my elements & valves
7,5mm for MW would bee nice to have in the program.
Also, there is some people that I have booked time with to sit down and talk about testequippment for CRI pumps. ( Injectors is no problem, that I do already), they are quite impressed of what you guys can do with the Mercedes engines & some small help from me, Your videoclip is all over the world now
There is a lot on the wish list for this X-mas.......
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - tomnik - 09-12-2012
(09-11-2012, 04:07 AM)dieselmeken 7,5mm for MW would bee nice to have in the program.
why not cooperating with people on the forum that already work on MW elements with success???
Tom
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 09-12-2012
(09-12-2012, 02:40 AM)tomnik(09-11-2012, 04:07 AM)dieselmeken 7,5mm for MW would bee nice to have in the program.
why not cooperating with people on the forum that already work on MW elements with success???
Tom
I would be happy to do that. You?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - tomnik - 09-12-2012
(09-12-2012, 03:55 AM)dieselmeken I would be happy to do that. You?
Not me. I am out of the element projects for the public.
Member OM616 (Dave)
Tom
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 09-12-2012
(09-10-2012, 06:21 AM)EDH_Performance Hi,You burn all fuel and power is that small on six. Need better Injection pump. What sound strange because here is dyno 603 on mynä 7mm at 530hp. So 140cc should be good enough at 500?
Yes this is my first dyno with this engine and I am pleased because I have not any performance camshafts and running stock prechambers. I will post some dynocharts soon!
That beeing said, this is the specs of the todays engine regards performance not strength:
Positiv:
-Ported head
-God flowing and tuned exhaust manifold
-Good turbo match (Still china turbo, but I have machined antisurge), surged before at 2 bars at low rpm, now it does 2.6 bars without any problem!
- 3" straight pipe exhaust with no muffler
- Eaton M90 with small nosewheel, does around 0.9bar at 2500rpm.
- Strong valvesprings
Negativ:
- valve between compressor/turbo opens a bit to late, so a pressure drop is seen in dynochart (This is easy to fix, but don`t had the time before dyno day)
Dieselmeken aka "The boss" is willing to rebuild my pump with series 2 180cc elements, and then I will dyno again!
This time with just pump upgrade, then with rebored prechambers, then with camshaft
Stay tuned guys
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 10-18-2012
So, now I have done some 7,5mm 180cc pumps that works good. The big test will be next week when I go down to Cyprus to change a 140cc pump to this 180cc with outside ALDA as I showed in another topic.
The 180cc without ALDA chokes the engine at full throttle, if you rew it up careful and wait for boost, it goes like hell according to my customers.
I shall try to make a nice filmclip of it and share to you all on STD.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - EDH_Performance - 10-19-2012
Now i know why i only dynoed 356whp, and that is quite easy to understand
The problem is that i am running a small efi petrol pump and stock fuel line
So i think i have found the weak link in the chain! Upgrade is coming soon, and then i will dyno again
And now that i am aware of the starvation problem, i can really feel that it dont get all the fuel that it need above at high rpm...
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 10-20-2012
That is really nice at you found the problem on your car
I like persons who tink themselves
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - huseyin55amg - 10-25-2012
hi goran. waiting to see the results on the 190 my friend....
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 10-27-2012
(10-25-2012, 03:22 PM)huseyin55amg hi goran. waiting to see the results on the 190 my friend....
So, back from Cyprus, did put the 180cc pump in, fired it up and it runs almost like a stock pump on low idle.
Nice sound and really quick in the uprewing.
Didnt drive it, Today Saturday is raceday, I went home Friday, waiting for result.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - huseyin55amg - 10-28-2012
(10-27-2012, 04:09 AM)dieselmeken(10-25-2012, 03:22 PM)huseyin55amg hi goran. waiting to see the results on the 190 my friend....
So, back from Cyprus, did put the 180cc pump in, fired it up and it runs almost like a stock pump on low idle.
Nice sound and really quick in the uprewing.
Didnt drive it, Today Saturday is raceday, I went home Friday, waiting for result.
lets see what salahi says
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-02-2012
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First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in Portugal
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 11-02-2012
(11-02-2012, 11:16 AM)dieselmeken First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in Portugalnice one, what turbo and spec?
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-02-2012
(11-02-2012, 11:18 AM)mantahead(11-02-2012, 11:16 AM)dieselmeken First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in Portugalnice one, what turbo and spec?
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
Turb is GT3582R, he vill change now to a GTX35 aand see if he can reach 700hp.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 11-02-2012
First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in Portugal
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
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nice one, what turbo and spec?
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Turb is GT3582R, he vill change now to a GTX35 aand see if he can reach 700hp.
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good power, shows the Dieselmeken pump can do it.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-02-2012
(11-02-2012, 11:58 AM)mantahead First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in Portugalnice one, what turbo and spec?
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
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Turb is GT3582R, he vill change now to a GTX35 aand see if he can reach 700hp.
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good power, shows the Dieselmeken pump can do it.
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Thanks alot. Yes, this is my first prove, I have known that my pumps have worked out well, but still, a dyno result is prove that it works in real life.
My customers tells me that it goes like hell etc, but this is the first dyno with 180cc pump.
Also, another dyno showed that original fuelline & filter goes to 400hp, after that no moore.
One 170cc pump from another company ( time for own thinking here..) did 430hp, after modifie with 10mm fuelhose from tank, Holley black fuel pump and a fuelfilter with high flow, it dynoed OVER 500hp, same setup, only thing changed, fuellines & filter.
Good information to you all on STD from me, if you dont know it already.
Happy Friday evening, now its time for a beer.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 11-02-2012
Not bad for an old diesel burner.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-02-2012
(11-02-2012, 02:01 PM)winmutt Not bad for an old diesel burner.No, Not bad for an old dieseltech also
Finally, a result that I am really proud over.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - yankneck696 - 11-02-2012
I have a 2nd gen Dodge with a Cummins, now, VP44s will burn out from not enough fuel to cool them because of the computer on them. There are great lift pumps that have pre & post filtering & water separating. Got to use 1/2" fuel lines to get the most flow (12.5MM?). There are also some good belt driven pumps that are good for daily driving & 900+HP woth stupid torque...
Ed
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 11-02-2012
Dieselmeken
is there a specification available on the turbo exact witch one it is.
at pressure rate a 3,8 it is really on the limit and I do wonder how the GTX3582R is going to like it
what is the air flow?
Is there some where you can read of how this engine is done?
(11-02-2012, 06:45 PM)yankneck696 I have a 2nd gen Dodge with a Cummins, now, VP44s will burn out from not enough fuel to cool them because of the computer on them. There are great lift pumps that have pre & post filtering & water separating. Got to use 1/2" fuel lines to get the most flow (12.5MM?). There are also some good belt driven pumps that are good for daily driving & 900+HP woth stupid torque...
Ed
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmerc - 11-03-2012
what inducer and exducer did that turbo have? sounded like a lot of power for such a small turbo?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-03-2012
(11-03-2012, 08:20 AM)dieselmerc what inducer and exducer did that turbo have? sounded like a lot of power for such a small turbo?
Dont have that information.
Can ask him if its important for you, Is there any doubt that this spec not can do 600hp?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 11-03-2012
That would be an 82 exducer on the compressor I believe.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 11-03-2012
Like diselmerc say a lot of power for that small turbo.
according to garret the inducer is properly 61,4 mm for GT3582R if it is not a special one?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmerc - 11-06-2012
okey if it is 61,4mm inducer i can belive those figures! but that turbo is maxxed!
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-06-2012
Clip from Cyprus pump with 7,5mm performance element.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 11-06-2012
Here he got lost in the parking lot....
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - winmutt - 11-06-2012
Moar
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - mantahead - 11-07-2012
lethal machine. She goes well.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 11-07-2012
(11-02-2012, 11:16 AM)dieselmeken First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in PortugalMust be hell on fire on intake temp
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
was pump tune 180cc on taht 597hp duno pull?
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - dieselmeken - 11-08-2012
(11-07-2012, 04:30 PM)jeemu(11-02-2012, 11:16 AM)dieselmeken First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in PortugalMust be hell on fire on intake temp
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
was pump tune 180cc on taht 597hp duno pull?
Yes.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - Turbo - 11-08-2012
You could say there is hell after the turbo
At that pressure rate you could say it spinning like... do wander how long it will last at that speed...
(11-08-2012, 12:31 AM)dieselmeken(11-07-2012, 04:30 PM)jeemu(11-02-2012, 11:16 AM)dieselmeken First 180cc pump did go Dyno today in PortugalMust be hell on fire on intake temp
597hp 902nm @4800rpm
2,8bar of boost
Not so bad or what do you think?
was pump tune 180cc on taht 597hp duno pull?
Yes.
RE: 7,5 mm Element design for high performance engine - jeemu - 11-09-2012
(11-08-2012, 07:38 AM)Turbo You could say there is hell after the turboMeasured airtemp after turbo can see if turbo is on map or not.
At that pressure rate you could say it spinning like... do wander how long it will last at that speed...
That Garrett not, and add that fuel amount. Not good on that engine.
But everyone do what they want
6 syl should get near 700hp at 170cc of fueling.
Cyprus dyno is good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IYaqskg3Wh0